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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. I haven't read the bill...
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 08:12 PM by Wordie
so I would have to reserve judgement until then. There's a lot I like about Hillary, but I also think she has a tendency to pander at times. (Did you see the clips of her a while ago, praising the Israeli apartheid wall? Not pretty.)

And as for ties of the UAE to 9/11, are you sure about that?

One could say, for instance, that the US was also a staging area for the terrorists, as many of them lived here for quite some time, but that in itself doesn't imply that anyone in our government was involved. And because their banking system was used by the 9/11 terrorists doesn't necessarily say much either. The UAE tends to be a bit more libreral than many of the surrounding arab countries, and is somewhere a foreigner could stay without attracting too much attention, so that might be an alternative explanation as to why several of the terrorists spent time there. And we as a nation have our native Timothy McVeighs and Unibombers, but that doesn't necessarily, once again, say anything about our government or the majority of people in our culture.

You said, ...the UAE can't or won't stop the terrorists from using there soil against us. That's not bigotry, that's a fact. So far, I haven't seen or read anything that establishes that as a fact. Again, what is the ultimate source of this information? Could it be spin?

I am not really intending to defend the UAE here - as I said, I just don't know enough - but I just don't want to get everyone so riled up that we jump off a cliff that we could have avoided.
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        - However  louis c   Feb-18-06 08:54 PM   #29 
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              - For the record, that's my optimistic interpretation  FatDave   Feb-19-06 04:12 AM   #57 
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  - kick and recommended n/t  Swamp Rat   Feb-18-06 10:33 PM   #37 
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  - kcik  BuyingThyme   Feb-19-06 02:55 AM   #56 
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  - Mere bogeyman?  AntiFascist   Feb-19-06 01:34 PM   #76 
  - a unified message requires a unified party  Truth Hurts A Lot   Feb-19-06 09:14 AM   #65 
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  - Very good  louis c   Feb-19-06 09:34 AM   #68 
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  - Yer damn skippy - It's a winner for Democrats  progressoid   Feb-19-06 10:35 AM   #71 
  - Between this and nuclear power plants  Generator   Feb-19-06 11:31 AM   #72 
  - k&nom  ooglymoogly   Feb-19-06 12:08 PM   #73 
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  - If it weren't so sad it would be funny.  Maraya1969   Feb-19-06 02:23 PM   #78 
  - Bush will back down on this  Hokie   Feb-19-06 04:00 PM   #79 
  - That's why we need to get out in front  louis c   Feb-19-06 09:38 PM   #113 
  - Say old DU story "And Cheney going down this time" The media dictates  Zinfandel   Feb-19-06 04:15 PM   #80 
  - Absolutely...we need to rip them to shreds with this. n/t  Clarkie1   Feb-19-06 04:28 PM   #81 
  - My right-wing family is ENRAGED over this  Seen the light   Feb-19-06 04:52 PM   #84 
  - Agreed!!  x-g.o.p.er   Feb-19-06 04:53 PM   #85 
  - As long as the election doesnt get framed by them  Ksec   Feb-19-06 04:59 PM   #87 
  - I agree. Can we do an "Activist Alert?"  crispini   Feb-19-06 06:02 PM   #88 
  - DLC Will Never Allow Party to Grab Any Issue that unites the working class  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-19-06 06:21 PM   #91 
  - My fear is this will lead to, or is a part of, more anti-Muslim bigotry.  Wordie   Feb-19-06 06:36 PM   #95 
  - Can We Please, Please  louis c   Feb-19-06 06:41 PM   #97 
  - Sorry, I don't want to use bigotry to win elections. (read disclaimer)  Wordie   Feb-19-06 06:54 PM   #102 
     - That's what hillary's bill says  louis c   Feb-19-06 07:43 PM   #104 
        - I haven't read the bill...  Wordie   Feb-19-06 08:09 PM   #105 
           - Here you go....  louis c   Feb-19-06 08:24 PM   #107 
           - Ok...I checked them out with SourceWatch, who said they were pretty  Wordie   Feb-19-06 08:49 PM   #110 
           - This is better, another DUer did all the work  louis c   Feb-19-06 08:34 PM   #109 
  - Bigotry need not be an issue.  Pacifist Patriot   Feb-19-06 08:56 PM   #111 
     - I would feel more comfortable with that sort of approach. Thanks.  Wordie   Feb-19-06 09:55 PM   #114 
  - Good points louis c. As reported so far, this is a real visceral issue for  pinto   Feb-19-06 06:38 PM   #96 
  - Thanks, but it's louis c  louis c   Feb-19-06 06:43 PM   #98 
     - Sorry. I knew that. My best friend is a "Lois", must be a typing habit.  pinto   Feb-19-06 06:47 PM   #99 
        - That's OK  louis c   Feb-19-06 06:53 PM   #101 
  - I agree -- AND distribute pics of Chimpy holding hands with "Bandar Bush."  Sparkly   Feb-19-06 06:48 PM   #100 
  - IT IS SO VERY VERY CLEAR.....  rodriguez94   Feb-19-06 07:31 PM   #103 
  - Hello Fox GOP News: It's one More reason to Impeach our Saudi President.  fearnobush   Feb-19-06 08:31 PM   #108 
  - kick.  pinto   Feb-19-06 09:04 PM   #112 
     - kick in the evening  louis c   Feb-20-06 09:06 PM   #115 
 

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