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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:50 AM
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19. Part of the problem lies in your very post..."Cheney apologists?"
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:51 AM by Atman
The man is vile pond scum. But using your terminology, I guess I am one of the "Cheney apologists" you rail on against. I've been beaten silly here for the past two days because I refuse to sign on to the wild speculation that Cheney was "obviously" drunk, and that those of us who don't think so are somehow, suddenly, unintelligent morans.

What is this about? Revenge? Or TRUTH?

Much of what we do here at DU is point out the inherent flaws in the BushCo operating their penchent for dragging people out of their homes and locking them up for mere SUPPOSITION of wrong-doing, without real proof. Stopping people from boarding airplanes just because of their name. In short, eschewing the basic principles of THE LAW in favor of convenient, easily voiced rallying cries like "HE WAS OBVIOUSLY DRUNK AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T SEE THAT IS A STUPID IDIOT!"

I have nothing but disdain for Dick "dick" Cheney. But I have also seen nothing which elevates the "obviously drunk" meme to anything more than popular drum-beating. There are, in my opinion (which is so obviously worthless on DU unless I'm willing to be a sheep) several equally "obvious" explanations as to what happened. All of them STILL lead to a terrible shooting, and inexcusable behavior on the part of the VP and his staff, and the WH in general. But since we don't actually know anything about the actual incident other than the limited stories dribbling out, I do not see how it jibes with being the intelligent, curious, open-minded Democrats we all fancy ourselves, when we make declarations such as "MY THEORY IS OBVIOUS, SO YOU'RE STUPID!"

I am very, very disheartened at the three days worth of threads on this subject. I've seen some of the worst of my fellow DUers. Reasonable discussion flew out the window on this open-minded posts are allowed, no speculation that doesn't include "he was obviously drunk" will be tolerated. Perhaps we really are no better than they are, and now that we have our chance, we'll prove it to the world.
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  -What motivates people on this board to cut Cheney so much slack? mac56  Feb-15-06 08:31 AM   #0 
  - The thing that gets to me....  Punkingal   Feb-15-06 08:35 AM   #1 
  - Two types.  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 08:37 AM   #2 
  - Great. So we can't win until we become as crazed and vicious as them.  tasteblind   Feb-15-06 08:43 AM   #8 
  - Yeah sucks doesn't it?  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 08:46 AM   #14 
  - We don't have to be crazed, but sometimes we have to be vicious, yes.  Raksha   Feb-15-06 11:48 AM   #62 
  - You see wanting evidence and rational thought as a bad thing?  jobycom   Feb-15-06 08:46 AM   #13 
     - Right I just want to be on the winning team.  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 08:49 AM   #17 
     - I want to win. You want to join the other team  jobycom   Feb-15-06 08:57 AM   #24 
        - Hmm.. I should be insulted.  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 09:06 AM   #34 
           - Who said anything about playing nice? Aside from you.  jobycom   Feb-15-06 11:57 AM   #64 
     - How amazing it is that without a payoff like-Heaven,popularity,bribes,  The Wielding Truth   Feb-15-06 10:04 AM   #55 
        - We do however have a strong desire for justice . We will not let go  The Wielding Truth   Feb-15-06 10:24 AM   #57 
  - Fuck Cheney  Solly Mack   Feb-15-06 08:39 AM   #3 
  - The same thing that motivates them to attack just about every Democrat  MrBenchley   Feb-15-06 08:40 AM   #4 
  - Hmmm, Maybe trying to live up to the ideals of the American justice system  Caution   Feb-15-06 08:40 AM   #5 
  - Nice gig if you can get it. Too bad CheneyCo won't ALLOW this  WinkyDink   Feb-15-06 08:42 AM   #6 
  - yeah they might start swiftboating our candidates. nt.  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 08:44 AM   #9 
  - I understand your point.  mac56   Feb-15-06 08:45 AM   #10 
  - perfect name for you. What color is the sky in your world?  robbedvoter   Feb-15-06 08:49 AM   #18 
     - So what is the solution?  Caution   Feb-15-06 09:00 AM   #28 
        - I must have missed the constitutional prohibition against  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 11:30 AM   #58 
  - Knee jerk opposition to the main opinion? I dunno.  robbedvoter   Feb-15-06 08:43 AM   #7 
  - I'm not a Cheney apologist but I hate jumping to conclusions about anyone  Armstead   Feb-15-06 08:45 AM   #11 
  - who the hells giving him slack. why are so many people on this board  seabeyond   Feb-15-06 08:45 AM   #12 
  - You don't see it? And think this is a made up issue?  mac56   Feb-15-06 08:46 AM   #15 
     - actually talk about something instead of just htrowing at an accustaion  seabeyond   Feb-15-06 08:56 AM   #23 
        - Start with the posts on this thread.  mac56   Feb-15-06 08:58 AM   #26 
           - ??????  seabeyond   Feb-15-06 09:03 AM   #32 
  - If Clinton had a hunting accident  kingofalldems   Feb-15-06 08:47 AM   #16 
  - Part of the problem lies in your very post..."Cheney apologists?"  Atman   Feb-15-06 08:50 AM   #19 
  - I'd like to see a link for that quote.  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 08:54 AM   #21 
     - No. But you can fish through your own posts if you'd like.  Atman   Feb-15-06 09:05 AM   #33 
        - So you have no links  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 09:08 AM   #37 
           - Me thinks thou doth protest too much.  Atman   Feb-15-06 09:09 AM   #39 
              - ???  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 09:16 AM   #42 
                 - I said I wasn't going to play your game, and I may regret this...  Atman   Feb-15-06 09:24 AM   #45 
                    - Just back your claims up. Seems only fair.  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 09:33 AM   #48 
                       - No  Atman   Feb-15-06 09:39 AM   #49 
                          - You can stop replying anytime.  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 09:42 AM   #50 
  - Respect.  H2O Man   Feb-15-06 08:54 AM   #20 
  - ROFL! nt.  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 08:55 AM   #22 
  - hehehehehehehehehe OHMyGoodness! LMAO  Solly Mack   Feb-15-06 09:01 AM   #29 
  - Surely you remember  H2O Man   Feb-15-06 09:02 AM   #31 
     - I'd forgotten that  Solly Mack   Feb-15-06 09:09 AM   #38 
        - The Ballad of Dick Cheney  H2O Man   Feb-15-06 09:14 AM   #41 
           - Seriously? About Agnew? Blech  Solly Mack   Feb-15-06 09:21 AM   #44 
              - Well .....  H2O Man   Feb-15-06 09:50 AM   #51 
                 - little brain damn near exploded  Solly Mack   Feb-15-06 09:51 AM   #52 
                    - Guess you were  H2O Man   Feb-15-06 09:52 AM   #53 
                       - LMAO! Who told!?!  Solly Mack   Feb-15-06 09:58 AM   #54 
  - LOL ! Good one H20!  Solomon   Feb-15-06 09:07 AM   #35 
  - You know what's sad?  HughBeaumont   Feb-15-06 09:10 AM   #40 
     - Yeah.  H2O Man   Feb-15-06 09:17 AM   #43 
  - "dogpiled on by Cheney apologists"...?  marions ghost   Feb-15-06 08:58 AM   #25 
  - Maybe because it's because you Cheney attackers  bryant69   Feb-15-06 08:59 AM   #27 
  - Well said.  Caution   Feb-15-06 09:01 AM   #30 
  - Bravo.  Atman   Feb-15-06 09:07 AM   #36 
  - Who the hell is cutting him slack? I missed...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-15-06 09:26 AM   #46 
  - because credibility matters  onenote   Feb-15-06 09:27 AM   #47 
  - I don't understand what you mean  Skittles   Feb-15-06 10:07 AM   #56 
  - Cheney apologists on DU!!!?  Generator   Feb-15-06 11:40 AM   #59 
  - So why shouldn't we run with that?  endarkenment   Feb-15-06 11:45 AM   #61 
     - Hey I agree  Generator   Feb-15-06 12:00 PM   #65 
  - "Fuck him. He's a ruthless murderer.  go west young man   Feb-15-06 11:44 AM   #60 
  - Trolls like Cheney.  Misunderestimator   Feb-15-06 11:48 AM   #63 

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