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jonas_stradlater Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 12:24 AM
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128. I admit that I'm not an expert on the political scene in Ohio
but am I the only one who doesn't understand this story. First of all, warning flag popped up when I saw it was the NY fucking Times on this. Once I hear Hackett and others involved explain it, then I'll form a real opinion. But I'll believe the story for now, until anything contradicts or clarifies it. But Hackett quitting politics over this? Sounds very odd to me.

If he quits altogether on this, I question his ability to be a Senator. I mean, I've been following politics for about six years now and even I know it'd be naive to trust your own party, especially the Democratic party. You can't expect the spineless DLC-led Dems to back you when you say bold things (his statements on Iraq, for instance). By the looks of it, some of DU thinks of Hackett as a fucking messiah. I agree with a lot of what he says but Brown seems like an excellent Democrat that aligns with my political beliefs and I presume with many on DU. Hackett has to think of the Democratic party as a whole and would have been more influential, successful, and helpful if he ran for the House.

Yeah I love a lot of what Hackett has said and I cheered him on last year but there is only two reasons why I can imagine him dropping out of the race and out of politics:
2)Some personal problem or scandal and he is trying to save face

I think I'm with you on this one Mr. Pitt.
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  -Before everyone loses their mind about Paul Hackett's withdrawal... WilliamPitt  Feb-13-06 10:55 PM   #0 
  - It is still a disgrace  springsteen4senate   Feb-13-06 10:56 PM   #1 
  - Why?  WilliamPitt   Feb-13-06 10:57 PM   #2 
     - cause hackett had a pair of balls...  springsteen4senate   Feb-13-06 10:58 PM   #9 
     - I didn't hear about Sherrod Brown being a gelding  WilliamPitt   Feb-13-06 10:59 PM   #13 
     - They must not have been very big balls  Atman   Feb-13-06 11:01 PM   #21 
     - The Senate race is not locked up by any means with Brown  ISUGRADIA   Feb-13-06 11:11 PM   #46 
     - Exactly...  WillyT   Feb-13-06 11:02 PM   #23 
     - male body parts are not required for courage  Skittles   Feb-14-06 01:50 AM   #132 
     - If you don't know, I sure as hell can't explain it...n/t  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:00 PM   #15 
     - Because calling a man's contributors behind his back is wrong. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-06 11:00 PM   #16 
     - The Dem leadership pulled the rug out from under Hackett  InsultComicDog   Feb-13-06 11:11 PM   #44 
  - I sincerely hope Hackett doesn't choose to withdraw from politics  Lex   Feb-13-06 10:57 PM   #3 
  - This is my greatest concern too  proud patriot   Feb-13-06 11:00 PM   # 
  - If this kind of party pressure is enough to make him walk away entirely...  Demoiselle   Feb-13-06 11:04 PM   #29 
  - I hope he doesn'e run as a Republican now ~ talk about alienating  Catrina   Feb-13-06 11:04 PM   #32 
  - If he does, then he was never a Dem and it's a good thing he withdrew. nt  WildEyedLiberal   Feb-13-06 11:30 PM   #81 
  - What do the Rethugs have on him?  rocknation   Feb-13-06 11:13 PM   #47 
  - And from what I'm reading  FreedomAngel82   Feb-13-06 10:57 PM   #4 
  - This is what the Dems were trying to do.  Pirate Smile   Feb-13-06 11:49 PM   #109 
  - besides, if Hackett  DemonGoddess   Feb-13-06 10:57 PM   #5 
  - That's NOT the point, Sir...  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 10:57 PM   #6 
  - How is he damaged?  WilliamPitt   Feb-13-06 10:59 PM   #11 
  - Or  berni_mccoy   Feb-13-06 11:02 PM   #25 
  - My sentiments exactly  derby378   Feb-13-06 11:18 PM   #57 
  - But did he say he is running for congress?  RagingInMiami   Feb-13-06 11:30 PM   #80 
  - Will, are you saying what I think you're saying?  lwfern   Feb-14-06 05:42 AM   #136 
  - Well, he shouldn't let himself be damaged  WesDem   Feb-13-06 10:59 PM   #12 
  - Exactly  incapsulated   Feb-13-06 11:01 PM   #20 
  - And I'll add...  slaveplanet   Feb-13-06 11:37 PM   #96 
  - self delete  stop the bleeding   Feb-13-06 10:58 PM   #7 
  - They have managed  Nashyra   Feb-13-06 11:00 PM   #17 
     - National appeal??  FreedomAngel82   Feb-13-06 11:03 PM   #27 
        - Gee, probably not that much given that's it's only February  ISUGRADIA   Feb-13-06 11:15 PM   #52 
  - Thanks, Will.  deadparrot   Feb-13-06 10:58 PM   #8 
  - ya well i donated to hackett all the way from texas. thanks will  seabeyond   Feb-13-06 10:58 PM   #10 
  - But Will, Hackett is a good guy  libnnc   Feb-13-06 10:59 PM   #14 
  - I agree  WilliamPitt   Feb-13-06 11:00 PM   #18 
  - I doubt that Brown will win  Donna Zen   Feb-14-06 12:45 AM   #129 
  - They encouraged him to run for the House seat.  deadparrot   Feb-13-06 11:00 PM   #19 
     - Right  FreedomAngel82   Feb-13-06 11:04 PM   #31 
     - Hackett told those running  Twist_U_Up   Feb-13-06 11:26 PM   #69 
        - I find it funny  deadparrot   Feb-13-06 11:31 PM   #85 
           - Heres an idea  Twist_U_Up   Feb-13-06 11:36 PM   #94 
              - He's already been in the House!  deadparrot   Feb-13-06 11:38 PM   #98 
  - I agree -- Brown has been one of the good guys in the House  Armstead   Feb-13-06 11:01 PM   #22 
  - How is Bernie doing by the way?  FreedomAngel82   Feb-13-06 11:05 PM   #34 
  - Unless a snowball survives in Hell, he's a shoo-in  Armstead   Feb-13-06 11:07 PM   #37 
     - Don't worry! Bernie is In like Flin! Everyone loves Bernie! n /t  Auntie Bush   Feb-13-06 11:23 PM   #66 
        - kick for the Bernie love!  mdmc   Feb-14-06 06:15 AM   #137 
  - except if he loses to dewine...for being too liberal and too soft,  Mend   Feb-13-06 11:09 PM   #40 
     - Quick-witted, smart, tough, straight-talking, and no nonsense...  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:16 PM   #53 
     - If that's the case, Ohio would be a lost cause anyway  Armstead   Feb-13-06 11:17 PM   #54 
        - Horseshit  InsultComicDog   Feb-13-06 11:28 PM   #75 
           - Whatever -- I was just responding with my opinion  Armstead   Feb-13-06 11:35 PM   #92 
  - I don't fucking give a shit, Will.  BullGooseLoony   Feb-13-06 11:02 PM   #24 
  - Are you from Ohio?  WilliamPitt   Feb-13-06 11:03 PM   #28 
     - Is Harry Reid? Is Chuck Schumer?  BullGooseLoony   Feb-13-06 11:05 PM   #33 
     - A-fucking-MEN  asSEENonTV   Feb-13-06 11:51 PM   #110 
     - Oh -- Are YOU from Ohio, Will?  theHandpuppet   Feb-14-06 06:20 AM   #139 
  - It's not Sherrod Brown that gets people's ire.  Tom Yossarian Joad   Feb-13-06 11:02 PM   #26 
  - K&R n/t  bonito   Feb-13-06 11:04 PM   #30 
  - I read on another site that Paul Hackett was behind Brown  Mend   Feb-13-06 11:05 PM   #35 
  - With all repect sir, BULLSHIT  Botany   Feb-13-06 11:06 PM   #36 
  - Exactly. For once we have a GOOD leader, with principles,  BullGooseLoony   Feb-13-06 11:08 PM   #38 
     - A good leader?  WilliamPitt   Feb-13-06 11:09 PM   #39 
     - Left or right is not the point. Being to the left isn't going  BullGooseLoony   Feb-13-06 11:13 PM   #48 
     - Fucking A!  TacticalPeek   Feb-13-06 11:29 PM   #77 
     - Brown is to the left of Hackett.  Botany   Feb-13-06 11:14 PM   #50 
     - logic and emotions, not always on the same page....  NuttyFluffers   Feb-14-06 03:31 AM   #134 
     - Which is why I posted this...  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:10 PM   #41 
     - Wait a minute... now we're for appealing to the middle  rockymountaindem   Feb-13-06 11:27 PM   #73 
        - There's a difference between being a middle road populist  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:29 PM   #79 
           - BINGO.  BullGooseLoony   Feb-13-06 11:33 PM   #88 
              - I'm an anti-DLC moderate populist...  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:37 PM   #97 
  - Thanks  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:10 PM   #42 
  - I don't have a dog in this fight personally, but it  Cleita   Feb-13-06 11:10 PM   #43 
  - I was just getting ready to post on this subject...  kentuck   Feb-13-06 11:11 PM   #45 
  - Totally, utterly, completely irrelevant  RazzleDazzle   Feb-13-06 11:13 PM   #49 
  - Nothing against Brown  Steve_DeShazer   Feb-13-06 11:14 PM   #51 
  - That's why we keep fucking losing! Like "they" know anything....  FrenchieCat   Feb-13-06 11:17 PM   #55 
  - "they" are career politicians  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:22 PM   #64 
     - And they've been so successful recently, haven't they? n/t  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:26 PM   #70 
     - Yeah, but does that mean  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:32 PM   #87 
     - "they ain't shit"....  FrenchieCat   Feb-13-06 11:27 PM   #71 
     - Schumer and Reid  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:43 PM   #104 
        - Good for you.....  FrenchieCat   Feb-13-06 11:44 PM   #107 
     - I used to make that same mistake  mdmc   Feb-14-06 06:21 AM   #140 
  - If Brown's such a decisive leader...  Adenoid_Hynkel   Feb-13-06 11:18 PM   #56 
  - I hate that "entitlement" shit....  FrenchieCat   Feb-13-06 11:19 PM   #59 
  - Sure does.  InsultComicDog   Feb-13-06 11:27 PM   #72 
  - He didn't  OzarkDem   Feb-14-06 02:45 PM   #145 
  - well, all I'll say is this:  Blue_Tires   Feb-13-06 11:19 PM   #58 
  - And you know how politics goes....if something wrong can happen,  FrenchieCat   Feb-13-06 11:20 PM   #61 
  - I dont know ,something stinks..........  Twist_U_Up   Feb-13-06 11:19 PM   #60 
  - He'd just take over the party.  BullGooseLoony   Feb-13-06 11:22 PM   #63 
     - He doesn't stumble...  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:25 PM   #67 
  - This was a good chance for the Iraqi veterans to have  Tiggeroshii   Feb-13-06 11:21 PM   #62 
  - He's pro-choice, pro gay rights, anti-war, and pro-America...  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:23 PM   #65 
     - Yep. He's clearly a Democrat.  Tiggeroshii   Feb-13-06 11:26 PM   #68 
     - I'm a moderate populist, one of the "radical middle,"  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:28 PM   #76 
     - ...and Sherrod Brown is anti-gun  derby378   Feb-13-06 11:28 PM   #74 
     - Assault weapons:  benEzra   Feb-14-06 02:35 PM   #143 
     - Damn Straight  incapsulated   Feb-13-06 11:30 PM   #82 
        - Exactly why I'm pissed off...exactly! n/t  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:41 PM   #100 
  - a little something from dkos:  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:29 PM   #78 
  - Do you have a repudable link on Brown announcing first......  FrenchieCat   Feb-13-06 11:31 PM   #83 
  - So do I, and not only that...  incapsulated   Feb-13-06 11:33 PM   #89 
  - Check dkos  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:35 PM   #90 
     - I'm supposed to take Kos' word? He was for Brown all along.  incapsulated   Feb-13-06 11:37 PM   #95 
  - That smoke from Kos looks like a lot of baloney to me.  TacticalPeek   Feb-14-06 12:06 AM   #123 
  - The kos statement doesn't pass the logic test  lwfern   Feb-14-06 09:11 AM   #142 
  - I don't think it's worth losing one's mind over, but...  berni_mccoy   Feb-13-06 11:31 PM   #84 
  - CONTACT HACKETT HERE  budkin   Feb-13-06 11:31 PM   #86 
  - Done!  mcscajun   Feb-14-06 07:05 AM   #141 
  - Business as usual.  Rex   Feb-13-06 11:35 PM   #91 
  - I kinda suggested something like that here:  Mythsaje   Feb-13-06 11:38 PM   #99 
  - I think the biggest worry, is losing this guy to politics, or the party,  Mayberry Machiavelli   Feb-13-06 11:36 PM   #93 
  - And all of the time, I thought it was the other party  FrenchieCat   Feb-13-06 11:42 PM   #103 
  - Obviously not a realistic concept.....according to the Gang  FrenchieCat   Feb-13-06 11:43 PM   #105 
  - Brown is great but the Dem leaders should be held accountable  usregimechange   Feb-13-06 11:41 PM   #101 
  - Silly me, I would think it would be up to the CITIZENS of OHIO...  SnoopDog   Feb-13-06 11:41 PM   #102 
  - Are you a citizen of Ohio?  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:48 PM   #108 
     - Being a citizen of Ohio has nothing to do with my my post...  SnoopDog   Feb-13-06 11:54 PM   #113 
        - Well, if you're not a citizen of Ohio  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:58 PM   #118 
           - Who says I was choosing the best candidate?  SnoopDog   Feb-14-06 12:02 AM   #120 
              - Funny  melissaf   Feb-14-06 12:06 AM   #122 
                 - Similarly,  SnoopDog   Feb-14-06 12:08 AM   #124 
                    - Actually  melissaf   Feb-14-06 12:12 AM   #126 
  - I don't get the frenzy about this, in a way  Lexingtonian   Feb-13-06 11:43 PM   #106 
  - Brown IS a good candidate.  Ksec   Feb-13-06 11:51 PM   #111 
  - It sounds to me like they _weren't_ trying to sacrifice  melissaf   Feb-13-06 11:53 PM   #112 
     - It wouldnt be a bad thing if they had figured this out before now  Ksec   Feb-13-06 11:58 PM   #117 
  - This is a shill response, ru- Will  Tom Yossarian Joad   Feb-13-06 11:56 PM   #114 
  - Will, your deep into it tonight  bonito   Feb-13-06 11:57 PM   #115 
  - Thanks  WilliamPitt   Feb-14-06 12:47 AM   #130 
  - Not only what they did but the way they did it was despicable.  Nothing Without Hope   Feb-13-06 11:57 PM   #116 
  - Please everyone. Read front page right now.  Beelzebud   Feb-13-06 11:59 PM   #119 
  - I posted part of dkos's  melissaf   Feb-14-06 12:04 AM   #121 
  - It's the victim complex. People use it to manipulate. My mom is a champ  xultar   Feb-14-06 09:50 PM   #150 
  - And now for the democratic (small "d") response:  Dr Fate   Feb-14-06 12:09 AM   #125 
  - I happen to think that STRATEGICALLY  DemonGoddess   Feb-14-06 12:14 AM   #127 
  - I admit that I'm not an expert on the political scene in Ohio  jonas_stradlater   Feb-14-06 12:24 AM   #128 
  - I think Republicans in OH would have voted for Hackett, but not Brown.....  Pachamama   Feb-14-06 01:26 AM   #131 
  - that's nice dear. still don't think brown has a chance to win.  NuttyFluffers   Feb-14-06 02:54 AM   #133 
  - Whether Brown is a good choice or not is beside the point. When  greyhound1966   Feb-14-06 03:33 AM   #135 
  - Too late...  MrsGrumpy   Feb-14-06 06:18 AM   #138 
  - Whether or not I prefer Brown over Hackett is beside the point.  Vinca   Feb-14-06 02:42 PM   #144 
  - Sorry Will, but PRIMARIES are to let the voters choose, that is why this  mod mom   Feb-14-06 02:46 PM   #146 
  - Too late...  MrBenchley   Feb-14-06 02:48 PM   #147 
  - But blind ignorant rage against Democrats is more fun  IronLionZion   Feb-14-06 06:21 PM   #148 
  - Thanks for the conssolation. (nt)  ih8thegop   Feb-14-06 09:46 PM   #149 

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