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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 07:19 PM
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15. You are missing two words: "Herein granted":
Each article begins with the phrase: The Legislative/Executive/Judicial powers shall vest in X.

However, only the legislative branch says: The legislative powers HEREIN GRANTED shall vest in X.

There is a split as to how much importance should be placed on those two words. I am of the mind that the Framers were educated and very legally adept and knew that two little words could change a lot.

Basically, the argument goes that the idea of Legislative Authority is limited in the Legislative branch by those two words. Since they do not exist pertaining to the Executive or the Judiciary, those branches are vested with the entirety of the relative ideas at the time.

THAT is where the argument comes from that there are extra-constitutional powers that the President is endowed with.

Sounds crazy but I have a hard time believing that the Framers would have overlooked something with such major ramifications.
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  -Thoughts on "unitary executive" powers LuckyTheDog  Feb-08-06 03:45 PM   #0 
  - You missed nothing. They want you and us to shut up and drink the Kool Aid  Vincardog   Feb-08-06 03:48 PM   #1 
  - You aren't missing anything....  MadMaddie   Feb-08-06 03:49 PM   #2 
  - Scalito says it does - that's why it was so important to defeat these  radio4progressives   Feb-08-06 03:50 PM   #3 
  - That's "strict constructionism" for ya  0rganism   Feb-08-06 03:51 PM   #4 
  - "Constitutions were made to be broken"...  JHB   Feb-08-06 03:53 PM   #5 
  - I agree  PhilipShore   Feb-08-06 04:01 PM   #7 
  - You are missing nothing. The neoconsters make shit up all the time.  Just Me   Feb-08-06 03:58 PM   #6 
  - You nailed it...  MadMaddie   Feb-08-06 04:06 PM   #8 
     - I usually avoid adopting RW-speak.  Just Me   Feb-08-06 04:12 PM   #10 
        - That's true...a consistent message  MadMaddie   Feb-08-06 04:21 PM   #11 
  - nothing, it is a dictatorial power grab  jsamuel   Feb-08-06 04:12 PM   #9 
  - That's what I thought (nt)  LuckyTheDog   Feb-08-06 06:41 PM   #13 
  - Unitary executive means executive, legislative, judiciary power in 1 man  Kagemusha   Feb-08-06 04:40 PM   #12 
  - On November 10 2008 I'm gonna git me a bumpersticker that sez  jpak   Feb-08-06 06:44 PM   #14 
  - You are missing two words: "Herein granted":  MJDuncan1982   Feb-08-06 07:19 PM   #15 

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