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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:42 PM
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24. I don't see that this is a left/right issue.
If a person needs 2 seats, they should have to pay for 2 seats.

I don't see how it's racial - are obese African-Americans different than obese whites?

On the one hand, I feel for this woman - this would indeed be a humiliating experience, but 330 lbs and 5'8" is BIG. I wouldn't want to be squeezed in next to her.

It seems that there should be some mechanism for telling passengers about the policy when making the reservation - doing so during boarding seems unnecessarily demeaning and stressful.
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  -Is this harmful? Justified? Why should I defend this? neverevergivein  Feb-08-06 01:14 PM   #0 
  - Or it might be because she's so large  Mythsaje   Feb-08-06 01:18 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-08-06 01:21 PM   #6 
  - Sorry, but why should I pay full price  Mythsaje   Feb-08-06 01:26 PM   #9 
  - you know i am small enough, when i sit next to a really large person  seabeyond   Feb-08-06 01:29 PM   #13 
     - Must be nice  Mythsaje   Feb-08-06 01:31 PM   #16 
        - I'm strictly average size, but find it distincctly uncomfortable to be  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 01:34 PM   #20 
        - ya, you are probably that guy that insists on having body totally  seabeyond   Feb-08-06 01:41 PM   #23 
           - Actually  Mythsaje   Feb-08-06 01:56 PM   #29 
              - well i am with you on that. nothing about flying or cramped spaces  seabeyond   Feb-08-06 02:00 PM   #32 
                 - I've only been on a plane twice as an adult  Mythsaje   Feb-08-06 02:08 PM   #36 
                    - that is funny. i hate it too. i am hoping i ma on the no fly list.  seabeyond   Feb-08-06 02:36 PM   #51 
                       - LOL!  Swamp Rat   Feb-08-06 02:56 PM   #68 
  - So is it your opinion that the airline should be held responsible for  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 01:27 PM   #10 
     - when i had babies, my family always got the front bench seats  seabeyond   Feb-08-06 01:56 PM   #28 
     - Yes, but would you raise hell and want to sue the airlines if they  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:06 PM   #34 
     - On that line of reasoning, why shouldn't my three year old  madinmaryland   Feb-08-06 02:23 PM   #43 
     - In a perfect world, perhaps, but in this world, she takes up a seat,  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:32 PM   #48 
     - Because they sell seats by the whole seat unit  petronius   Feb-08-06 02:36 PM   #52 
     - Well, then, two kids can fit nicely in  FlaGranny   Feb-09-06 10:06 AM   #157 
        - That would be fine with me...  petronius   Feb-09-06 01:05 PM   #171 
     - problem solved. put all the fat people next to the children.  seabeyond   Feb-08-06 02:38 PM   #54 
     - Ding, ding, ding!  madinmaryland   Feb-08-06 02:54 PM   #67 
     - It is my understanding that many/some airlines offer reduced fares  Dora   Feb-08-06 03:57 PM   #111 
     - Do they not do that on airlines in the States?  tenshi816   Feb-09-06 01:44 PM   #172 
     - do you mean "charge by the pound"?  cry baby   Feb-08-06 02:37 PM   #53 
     - Once again, it's quite simple. If you can't fit in the seat, you pay for  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:45 PM   #59 
     - How about if someone crowds you a little under the armrest  cry baby   Feb-08-06 03:02 PM   #77 
        - Sorry, but requiring people to pay for the seats the occupy is NOT cruel  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:06 PM   #82 
        - That creates such a out of proportion picture with you squished  cry baby   Feb-08-06 03:16 PM   #92 
           - Only if that person is coming into my apartment, then hell yeah  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:19 PM   #96 
        - Excellent post!  Beaverhausen   Feb-08-06 03:07 PM   #84 
        - I think the kindhearted liberals here at DU have exhausted all ways to  Beausoir   Feb-08-06 11:51 PM   #138 
        - Except for the fact that nobody here has ridiculed or ostracized anyone,  ET Awful   Feb-09-06 07:36 AM   #141 
           - Wow. You have an awful lot of knowledge about people.  Beausoir   Feb-09-06 11:12 PM   #179 
              - Considering how much I helped the guy when he was installing  ET Awful   Feb-10-06 05:16 AM   #180 
        - How About Only One Bag of Peanuts?  we can do it   Feb-09-06 08:43 AM   #146 
     - Fine With Me  we can do it   Feb-09-06 08:38 AM   #145 
     - Why can't petite people like me pay half price? That would RULE!  Vektor   Feb-08-06 06:55 PM   #125 
     - You Got That Right - And Cheap People With Their Kids On Their Lap, Too  we can do it   Feb-09-06 08:25 AM   #144 
  - Agreed. Also, whether someone is in the seat next to them is irrelevant  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 01:24 PM   #8 
  - You lost me with that one - if the next seat is unoccupied  KurtNYC   Feb-09-06 02:10 PM   #174 
  - Did you even read the article? She flies Southwest often and has never...  Beaverhausen   Feb-08-06 01:28 PM   #11 
     - I agree with the consistency part of it.  Mythsaje   Feb-08-06 01:30 PM   #15 
  - She brought the suit because...  zanne   Feb-08-06 01:18 PM   #2 
  - Thank you  wryter2000   Feb-08-06 01:19 PM   #4 
  - I'm a big person, I've never been asked to buy two seats, but  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 01:32 PM   #17 
     - NBA and NFL players fly first class, thus they have wider seats  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 01:35 PM   #21 
        - there are people of similar size that are not athletes, point  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 01:44 PM   #25 
           - Because, your car is designed to fit only a few people, and is  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 01:51 PM   #27 
              - My wife is a former flight attendant.  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 01:57 PM   #30 
                 - What does employment of your wife have to do with policy regarding  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:04 PM   #33 
                 - you're not listening. You used weight/viability of flight argument  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 02:13 PM   #38 
                 - Weight is the easiest measure to use. They aren't going to sit there  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:15 PM   #40 
                 - really? did they have this woman stand on a scale?  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 02:17 PM   #42 
                    - I'm not sure why you think someone who takes up two seats should  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:31 PM   #47 
                    - I'm not sure why you keep shifting the argument  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 02:38 PM   #55 
                       - Your entire premise that someone who takes up more than one seat  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:43 PM   #58 
                          - the penalization I'm referring to is restricted space.  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 02:57 PM   #69 
                             - How is building a seat to fit an average size disciminatory?  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:59 PM   #73 
                             - Is the Echo the only car available?  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 03:07 PM   #83 
                                - Ah yes, but ALL of those cars you pay more for do you not?  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:08 PM   #87 
                                - LOL! do you ever even bother to understand the other person's points?  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 03:16 PM   #93 
                                   - Nonsense.  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:23 PM   #101 
                                   - LOL! well, we've obviously taken this as far as your attention span  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 03:27 PM   #102 
                                   - He's got you there  breakfastofchampions   Feb-08-06 06:17 PM   #121 
                                   - Actually, the truck will rarely cost less these days.  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 07:28 PM   #130 
                                   - Where Are You Finding A Full Size Truck As Cheap As An Echo?  we can do it   Feb-09-06 09:24 AM   #153 
                                - So Do All Those Cars Cost the Same? No Bigger Ones Cost More  we can do it   Feb-09-06 09:03 AM   #148 
                             - Have You Noticed That Obesity Is A Growing Problem In the US?  we can do it   Feb-09-06 09:20 AM   #151 
                    - Cape Air Weighs Their Passengers On Small Planes & Assigns Seat According  we can do it   Feb-09-06 09:08 AM   #150 
                 - Actually, weight matters, even on a big jet.  Tesha   Feb-08-06 02:57 PM   #70 
                    - Bingo. n/t  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:00 PM   #74 
                    - And your experience in the airline industry is?  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 03:10 PM   #89 
                       - And your experience as a licensed pilot is? (NT)  Tesha   Feb-08-06 04:55 PM   #117 
                 - If you will sit down and actually THINK about what Lerkfish  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 02:42 PM   #56 
                    - Mmmmhmmm. . . sorry, if you are squishing me out of my seat, then  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:48 PM   #60 
                    - If my son only occupies  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 03:01 PM   #76 
                    - Ah, but if your son is squriming around, and leaning into other seats  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:03 PM   #79 
                       - no,  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 03:19 PM   #98 
                          - True, you're proving that right now. n/t  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:20 PM   #99 
                             - ayuh.... ;^) it's always "them"-  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 03:55 PM   #110 
                    - compassionate liberalism? don't think so.  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 03:04 PM   #80 
                       - Ah, so now you're putting words in my mouth. Well done.  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:07 PM   #85 
                          - can you not even remember what you say?  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 03:21 PM   #100 
                             - Ah, but NOWHERE does that say they are not allowed to fly  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:37 PM   #104 
                                - I'll let you get the last dig in.  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 03:52 PM   #107 
                    - thank you.  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 02:58 PM   #71 
                    - hey- Thank YOU- my  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 03:08 PM   #86 
                       - She eventually got out of the business. It was unhealthy for her  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 03:18 PM   #95 
                          - glad to hear  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 03:50 PM   #106 
                          - Its a shame that telling the truth should be "courageous".  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 04:11 PM   #113 
                             - and a voice- you're willing to use without fear of intimidation!! n/t  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 04:49 PM   #116 
                          - Hmmm- Diet Pills and Starving Will Only Shut Your Metabolism Down Further  we can do it   Feb-09-06 10:32 AM   #161 
                    - So You Would Be Willing To Trade Seats with Me If I am Seated Next to A  we can do it   Feb-09-06 09:51 AM   #156 
                 - Here's Something Else That Sucks - Paying To Fly & Having Someone Squeeze  we can do it   Feb-09-06 08:57 AM   #147 
                    - You are the size you are  Bluerthanblue   Feb-09-06 10:48 AM   #164 
                       - Good Post  we can do it   Feb-09-06 11:12 AM   #168 
  - Personally, the race card may not really apply. Most airlines require  formerrepuke   Feb-08-06 01:19 PM   #3 
  - It's been known for awhile now that Southwest makes  woodsprite   Feb-08-06 01:20 PM   #5 
  - So Actually She Had Been Lucky So Far Because They Should Have Been...  we can do it   Feb-09-06 09:32 AM   #154 
  - Southwest enforces their "customer of size" policy haphazardly  Beaverhausen   Feb-08-06 01:23 PM   #7 
  - and as a result of this lawsuit I forsee them coming up with a way to  bleedingheart   Feb-08-06 03:29 PM   #103 
  - Last year when flying to Miami  Midlodemocrat   Feb-08-06 01:28 PM   #12 
  - You make a very good point Midlodemocrat  Yupster   Feb-08-06 01:33 PM   #19 
  - a few years ago my boss decided to take a few of us on a road trip  bleedingheart   Feb-08-06 03:09 PM   #88 
  - I think most people here agree with the airlines policy  neverevergivein   Feb-08-06 01:30 PM   #14 
  - Why are you feeling defensive?  yardwork   Feb-08-06 01:36 PM   #22 
  - well, I for one don't agree with it.  Lerkfish   Feb-08-06 01:45 PM   #26 
  - Maybe they should charge by the pound and adjust the seats to fit.  ToolTex   Feb-08-06 01:33 PM   #18 
  - I don't see that this is a left/right issue.  Yollam   Feb-08-06 01:42 PM   #24 
  - Their policy is due to passenger weight. Nothing to do with race.  Mayberry Machiavelli   Feb-08-06 01:58 PM   #31 
  - So, then, why don't the airlines charge less for a child?  Boredtodeath   Feb-08-06 02:11 PM   #37 
  - Because your 10 year-old takes up a single seat. No more.  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:14 PM   #39 
  - I can put my 3 and 5 yr old in one seat, but i still  madinmaryland   Feb-08-06 02:29 PM   #45 
     - Now you're getting into safety regulations. Airline regulations only  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:30 PM   #46 
        - Oh, yeah, ever see what an infant held by an adult  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 03:40 PM   #105 
           - We aren't talking about cars here are we? I could have sworn we  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 06:07 PM   #120 
              - because there are none, do you  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 07:44 PM   #131 
                 - Wait a second here. . . . how did we go from discussing how airline  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 07:55 PM   #133 
                    - not true, not true at all-  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 09:00 PM   #135 
                       - Then a parent might want to purchase a seat for thier infant?  breakfastofchampions   Feb-09-06 12:30 AM   #139 
                       - I stand corrected, I was citing regulations as of the time when I was  ET Awful   Feb-09-06 05:04 AM   #140 
                       - You are so right about that.  tenshi816   Feb-09-06 02:06 PM   #173 
  - Don't Take This Wrong,But Does Your 10 Year Old Sit Still or Wiggle Around  we can do it   Feb-09-06 10:41 AM   #162 
  - If it is strictly a weight issue why don't they  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 02:50 PM   #62 
     - It's not a weight issue, but a SIZE issue.  Ignis   Feb-08-06 03:53 PM   #109 
        - I'm afraid you  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 04:20 PM   #114 
           - Lovely argument, but I fear not to the same issue.  Ignis   Feb-09-06 11:57 AM   #170 
  - Another incentive to stay on a diet.  MathGuy   Feb-08-06 02:07 PM   #35 
  - People who are assholes and hog the arm rests on both sides  nini   Feb-08-06 02:17 PM   #41 
  - Or men who sit with their legs sprawled out so I can't spread mine out  Beaverhausen   Feb-08-06 02:32 PM   #49 
  - See, now the man who sits there with his legs spread, is in effect  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:49 PM   #61 
  - Another Winner! People - Stay In Your Own Space - Stay Out of Mine  we can do it   Feb-09-06 10:21 AM   #160 
  - Whenever I'm next to someone  tenshi816   Feb-09-06 02:12 PM   #175 
  - Unfortunately for her she will probably loose...  MadMaddie   Feb-08-06 02:25 PM   #44 
  - I hope you are wrong, but  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 02:54 PM   #66 
  - Actually, many court decisions have ruled that morbid obesity...  rucky   Feb-08-06 03:03 PM   #78 
     - It will get you out of jury duty...  annabanana   Feb-08-06 03:05 PM   #81 
  - I don't like this practice by the airlines  dogday   Feb-08-06 02:36 PM   #50 
  - Here's what the bastards should do:  rucky   Feb-08-06 02:42 PM   #57 
  - I love that idea  Beaverhausen   Feb-08-06 02:51 PM   #63 
  - Actually, the better solution would be to offer a discounted rate  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:53 PM   #65 
  - And if the person sitting next to said passenger is flying in order to  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 02:51 PM   #64 
  - Great Idea - I Would Be Satisfied with the Travel Voucher  we can do it   Feb-09-06 10:56 AM   #165 
  - What does this have to do with conservatism versus liberalism?  bleedingheart   Feb-08-06 02:59 PM   #72 
  - So they can create arguments on DU, why else?  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:01 PM   #75 
     - ever since I embarrassed my freeper coworkers  bleedingheart   Feb-08-06 03:10 PM   #90 
        - Mine just cower and say "you should have been a politician instead  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:11 PM   #91 
           - this whole thread is interesting because...  bleedingheart   Feb-08-06 03:18 PM   #94 
              - Bingo and well said. n/t  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 03:19 PM   #97 
  - who says you should be? c'mon there are more important things to be  radio4progressives   Feb-08-06 03:52 PM   #108 
  - The skinny skank with greasy hair that reclines into my space needs to be  Beausoir   Feb-08-06 04:09 PM   #112 
  - self delete- it's been a long day-  Bluerthanblue   Feb-08-06 04:25 PM   #115 
  - Wow, which airline has seats that recline far enough to infringe  greyhound1966   Feb-08-06 05:02 PM   #118 
  - I don't know if they're still in business or not, but "Tower Air"  ET Awful   Feb-08-06 06:04 PM   #119 
  - Ewww, sounds horrible, glad I've never been subjected to that one. n/t  greyhound1966   Feb-08-06 07:08 PM   #128 
  - Tower air -- Mmmmmmmm  KurtNYC   Feb-09-06 03:22 PM   #177 
  - All of them  Beaverhausen   Feb-08-06 07:48 PM   #132 
  - Admittedly I haven't flown much since 2000, but unless I was in business  greyhound1966   Feb-09-06 09:21 AM   #152 
  - Loads of them,  tenshi816   Feb-09-06 02:23 PM   #176 
  - nope  Djinn   Feb-08-06 08:11 PM   #134 
  - Completely justified  breakfastofchampions   Feb-08-06 06:28 PM   #122 
  - Welcome to DU, B.O.C.!  Vektor   Feb-08-06 06:58 PM   #126 
  - IMO the woman is using the wrong defence.  mwooldri   Feb-08-06 06:38 PM   #123 
  - That actually makes a lot more sense.  Vektor   Feb-08-06 06:59 PM   #127 
  - They do have wider seats  breakfastofchampions   Feb-08-06 07:18 PM   #129 
     - Yes they do. They also have all-business class airlines now.  mwooldri   Feb-08-06 10:27 PM   #137 
        - What AN Idea - Biggie-Size An Airline!  we can do it   Feb-09-06 11:02 AM   #166 
  - This is a tough one, really.  Vektor   Feb-08-06 06:51 PM   #124 
  - An inlaw of mine who is white...  ljaycox   Feb-08-06 10:05 PM   #136 
  - I hate their policy  WernhamHogg   Feb-09-06 07:55 AM   #142 
  - I Hate That Too - I Agree - and Not Only On Flights -  we can do it   Feb-09-06 11:22 AM   #169 
  - Well, if there is one fat honkey who didn't have to pay double...  HypnoToad   Feb-09-06 07:57 AM   #143 
  - I'm Ambivalent  ProfessorGAC   Feb-09-06 09:04 AM   #149 
  - The war against overweight people and airline scrooges  savemefromdumbya   Feb-09-06 09:41 AM   #155 
  - hey corporate Ameirca...  DetroitProle   Feb-09-06 10:07 AM   #158 
  - Really, all this argument -  FlaGranny   Feb-09-06 10:20 AM   #159 
  - Thanks for the  Bluerthanblue   Feb-09-06 11:08 AM   #167 
     - We're all spoiled brats  FlaGranny   Feb-09-06 06:15 PM   #178 
  - I flew from Chicago to Boston seated next to a woman who was huge.  Gormy Cuss   Feb-09-06 10:45 AM   #163 

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