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Fri Jan-19-07 04:56 PM
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| 90. you and I agree completely. We don't have to be circumspect and SHOULDN'T |
| -So, how are you gonna feel about impeachment if Pelosi does it now & we get 55 senators vote yes |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 02:52 PM |
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Yes, you are right. |
AndyA |
Jan-19-07 02:57 PM |
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Likewise. Agree and Rec! n/t |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:24 PM |
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Clinton served his entire term and... |
LoZoccolo |
Jan-19-07 02:58 PM |
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Oh I'm not doubting that - just saying that we impeached him but nothing changed |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 02:59 PM |
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Well, one thing changed. We got to say we were right and they were wrong about BC... |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:26 PM |
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if Bush impeached but acquited, will put historic stink on him & lead to comparison to Clinton |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 05:02 PM |
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I think his point is supporting yours, LynneSin. |
pnwmom |
Jan-19-07 06:13 PM |
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I trust Pelosi's strategic descisionmaking |
Taverner |
Jan-19-07 02:59 PM |
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Actually the 'pulling off' really is in Harry Reid's hands |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:00 PM |
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Yes and with all that is on the table |
Taverner |
Jan-19-07 03:02 PM |
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I agree with you, and ... |
Akoto |
Jan-19-07 02:59 PM |
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Yes that is correct |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:00 PM |
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People are angry for Pelosi cutting the funding |
DearAbby |
Jan-19-07 03:58 PM |
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It's weird, I noticed that too... |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:28 PM |
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Do you have a source for that so I can go read? n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:41 PM |
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I can do a search |
DearAbby |
Jan-19-07 04:44 PM |
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Oh -- don't. I can do that. Because, when I listened to the WJ callers |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:53 PM |
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I have no problem with accounting for every dime |
DearAbby |
Jan-19-07 05:13 PM |
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it's cuz the goddam media has people brainwashed to believe that's not 'supporting the troops' |
NotGivingUp |
Jan-19-07 05:39 PM |
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I've said this until I was blue in the face |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 02:59 PM |
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;-) |
Richardo |
Jan-19-07 03:23 PM |
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I just KNEW you'd show up |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:48 PM |
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I couldn't agree more. |
pnwmom |
Jan-19-07 06:14 PM |
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Investigate, uncover, report, (voters) demand impeachment |
LiberalFighter |
Jan-19-07 03:00 PM |
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I'll hope that they have everything necessary to convict. |
ContraBass Black |
Jan-19-07 03:01 PM |
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Bush wouldn't last through the investigation stage - he'd resign before it reached impeachment. |
blm |
Jan-19-07 03:02 PM |
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That would be grand now wouldn't it. Save money, time, and effort. |
lonestarnot |
Jan-20-07 10:03 AM |
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That's exactly right |
sandnsea |
Jan-19-07 03:02 PM |
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No, dammit, NO, LynneSin! I want to lose an impeachment bid RIGHT THIS MINUTE!!! |
Hobarticus |
Jan-19-07 03:03 PM |
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I thought Impeachment is off the table. |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:03 PM |
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Somewhat of a strawman argument you have there ... |
cool user name |
Jan-19-07 03:04 PM |
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Let's just say any number less than 67 senators |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:14 PM |
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How do you KNOW that we don't have 67 senators? |
cool user name |
Jan-19-07 03:19 PM |
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Oh trust me, I could easily name 30-40 senators we wouldn't get right now |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:20 PM |
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Well, I guess you and I are somewhat on the same page ... |
cool user name |
Jan-19-07 03:35 PM |
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I think we're all on the same page |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:58 PM |
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I call bullshit. You don't. You have no way of knowing when the rats |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:40 PM |
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Actually that's how we'll get Bush out of office - you called it exactly!! |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:02 PM |
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I think that's right. In a way, they will do it to themselves. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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Which R's in the Senate do you think would vote to get rid of him? |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:56 PM |
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Well I think anyone opposing the surge COULD be a candidate |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:01 PM |
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Is that anyone other than Hagel? |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:11 PM |
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You have it backwards. You need to know you have 67 to start.... |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:33 PM |
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You certainly can't count on lieberman's vote n/t |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:31 PM |
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I think LynneSin is being generous with 55 |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:54 PM |
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I think at this point its "generous" to assume that the votes are there in the House |
onenote |
Jan-20-07 10:35 AM |
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I keep my S&P on the stove... |
libnnc |
Jan-19-07 03:04 PM |
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You nailed it! |
Nightjock |
Jan-19-07 03:08 PM |
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You're arguing a non-issue. |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 03:08 PM |
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I think this is more of a reactionary post to the 800 "Nancy Sucks because she won't impeach" thread |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:16 PM |
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Reactionary posts? On DU? |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 03:45 PM |
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And that's very true but asking for Nancy Pelosi's head isn't gonna help |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:59 PM |
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Yeah, that's extreme. |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 04:04 PM |
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I know from experience that this website is monitored by all sorts of folks |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:08 PM |
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We should determine our behavior by what other people think about it? |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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When you NEED the cooperation of other people to succeed, YES! |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:40 PM |
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But it works in both directions. Persuasion. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:44 PM |
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I'm sorry. I don't really understand what you were trying to say. n/t |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:21 PM |
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Wrong. |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 04:49 PM |
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You cannot stop Bush without the help of others. It's a simple fact. |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:20 PM |
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Yes, exactly! |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-19-07 03:09 PM |
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Impeachment process |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:13 PM |
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Thanks for the great breakdown of the process |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:17 PM |
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I messed up. I meant 3rd and 4th. |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:20 PM |
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Also, I used president in the description but of course, it |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:29 PM |
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But Pelosi said Steps #1 and #2 are off the table. So, no CRIMINAL investigation in Congress. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 09:46 AM |
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You don't believe Congressman Waxman will uncover anything? |
porphyrian |
Jan-20-07 09:49 AM |
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The current inquiries are not structured in a way capable of uncovering criminal wrongdoing. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 09:57 AM |
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You don't believe the people can or will demand impeachment as the facts are revealed? |
porphyrian |
Jan-20-07 10:20 AM |
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They are only afraid of Democrats who have money. That's why the Clintons are so powerful |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:29 AM |
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Won't the campaign finance reform change this? |
porphyrian |
Jan-20-07 10:33 AM |
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Impeachment is an indictment by the House. Removal follows a conviction |
Seabiscuit |
Jan-21-07 08:44 AM |
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impeachment |
Parche |
Jan-19-07 03:15 PM |
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Senators aren't required to impeach. Impeach is to charge. |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:40 PM |
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impeach |
Parche |
Jan-19-07 03:42 PM |
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My postion is this (and I know a lot of people disagree). |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:48 PM |
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And then after all the hoopla is done we get less than 67 senators to support it |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:25 PM |
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Even with all the evidence laid out in front of the public? |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 04:42 PM |
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Dem Senators that will never in a million years vote for Bush impeachment: |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:09 AM |
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Good list. It shows how much work we need to do before impeachment. n/t |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:33 PM |
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That's why we count Senators. Impeachment is not removal and therefore useless by itself |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:42 PM |
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So you are also counting there will not be enough evidence? |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 05:11 PM |
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No. I'm counting on the fact there is CURRENTLY not enough evidence... |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:31 PM |
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Surely you think wiretapping every man, woman and child is horrible enough |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 09:49 AM |
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The call for impeachment... |
Wildewolfe |
Jan-19-07 03:16 PM |
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How do you figure that? |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:57 PM |
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ABC played Leahy going off on Gonzo last night |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:06 PM |
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Enough to keep all the White House lawyers sleep-deprived. |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 04:13 PM |
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Thanks |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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Republican support will be the tipping point, but Dems should NOT leave it to them to initiate it |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:21 PM |
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You're right. We should have waited for the Nazis to initiate the Nuremberg trials too |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:22 PM |
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LOVE the salt & pepper analogy! |
kineta |
Jan-19-07 03:22 PM |
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Yeah, I'm not sure which one made a mess |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:29 PM |
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Do it wrong, we might get 55 votes in the Senate |
Jack Rabbit |
Jan-19-07 03:27 PM |
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TWO reasons to do it anyway: |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 03:36 PM |
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Isn't that what the investigation is doing? |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:09 PM |
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I think it relates to a slightly smaller issue of Democrats communication style: incrementalism vs. |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:17 PM |
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You're right, Lynne. We're moving 'way too fast on impeaching |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:39 PM |
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well, there is no evidence he has committed cannibalism in the oval office |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:18 PM |
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I'm sorry if I'm misreading Lynne, which I've done before. All I know is |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:38 PM |
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you and I agree completely. We don't have to be circumspect and SHOULDN'T |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:56 PM |
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He turned me into a Newt! |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:14 AM |
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We have a different role than congress. Our job is to yell to impeach until it seems inevitable |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 03:42 PM |
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No, impeachment is their job (and duty). |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 04:08 PM |
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We can be publically for impeachment. Congressional Dems should play it differently |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:19 PM |
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In no way we should shush about impeachment |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:28 PM |
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Thhis impeachment hawk gives a K&R for a voice of sound reason. |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jan-19-07 04:08 PM |
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55 Senators not equal wrist slap. It equals W being totally vindicated, validated and consecrated. |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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One additional note about Investigation vs. Impeachment |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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Oh yes, let's wait |
DancingBear |
Jan-19-07 04:18 PM |
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So instead we should just rush right thru it, get less than 67 senators |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:22 PM |
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No - YOU don't get it |
DancingBear |
Jan-19-07 06:59 PM |
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The next kid dead is one too many. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 10:15 PM |
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Too many for you and me but not for others unfortunately... |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:40 PM |
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We need enough Americans to die to convince 67 Senators. Until that happens Impeachment wont stop W |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:22 PM |
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Isn't that a really crappy concept |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:27 PM |
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It's the same concept some "anti-war" folks falsely held: "When the body bags start coming home..." |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:22 AM |
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I never said dead Americans WOULD convince Senators... |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:13 PM |
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It's the same concept held by a few who were "anti-war": "When the body bags start comin home..." |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:24 AM |
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Pelosi does not want to begin the process. Ever. |
Tom Joad |
Jan-19-07 04:52 PM |
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Tom - see #102 |
DancingBear |
Jan-19-07 07:01 PM |
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Clinton served his full term because the IMPEACHMENT of him was bogus |
omega minimo |
Jan-19-07 05:08 PM |
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Wrong. He served the full term because the Senate failed to convict. |
pnwmom |
Jan-19-07 06:19 PM |
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The Senate didn't convict because the IMPEACHMENT was totally bogus |
omega minimo |
Jan-19-07 06:55 PM |
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Did the bogus nature of the charges against BC prevent the House from |
pnwmom |
Jan-20-07 02:25 AM |
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Actually, the impeachment of President Clinton was to honor him |
B Calm |
Jan-20-07 06:25 AM |
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True. And so it backfired on the Repubs. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-21-07 06:35 AM |
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Yes, it backfired on them. They thought he would act like a guilty |
B Calm |
Jan-21-07 01:04 PM |
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I'm not sure that he's mentally healthy enough to know he's guilty. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-21-07 03:16 PM |
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Good point, but unlike the impeachment of President Clinton they |
B Calm |
Jan-21-07 07:39 PM |
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Have you ever read any of H2OMan's threads on impeachment? |
bobbolink |
Jan-19-07 05:29 PM |
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I've read them, and I still agree with LynneSin. She's not fear-mongering, |
pnwmom |
Jan-19-07 06:23 PM |
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Fear mongering. |
bobbolink |
Jan-20-07 03:48 PM |
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I have never said we shouldn't impeach |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 07:56 PM |
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You can be frustrated all you wish. |
bobbolink |
Jan-20-07 03:51 PM |
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Bbbbut We Haven't Counted The Vvvotes! How Do You Know Huh? NO ONE KNOWS!!! Roaarrrr! Block Block |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jan-19-07 07:03 PM |
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We probably can't get enough votes to remove Bush. Impeach Gonzales? |
meldroc |
Jan-19-07 10:21 PM |
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Hmmm . . . there's a thought. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-20-07 02:28 AM |
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With all due respect... |
Everybody |
Jan-20-07 06:12 AM |
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I can think of two hearings that shined a nice bright light on this admin. |
halobeam |
Jan-20-07 10:15 AM |
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one investigation will make impeachment take care of itself--2001 Cheney Energy Task Force |
yurbud |
Jan-20-07 01:06 PM |
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Why are you repeating an already-corrected misstatement? |
Zhade |
Jan-20-07 03:51 PM |
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I trust you on this n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Jan-20-07 06:36 PM |
#135 |
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I basically agree... |
sendero |
Jan-21-07 06:46 AM |
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he's the biggest goddam criminal alive today...impeach now..which INCLUDES investigation |
NotGivingUp |
Jan-21-07 08:57 AM |
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GREAT POST!!!! |
xultar |
Jan-21-07 03:17 PM |
#143 |
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Sheesh. Fight the fights that are worth fighting - not *just* the ones you think you can win... |
BlooInBloo |
Jan-21-07 03:18 PM |
#144 |
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