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Fri Jan-19-07 04:49 PM
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We don't NEED the cooperation of others to succeed. They can vote to impeach for purely selfish reasons, and I suspect many will. You are still going on about your "my way is the only way to impeachment" bullshit, aren't you?
My success has nothing to do with the opinions of others. If your success does, I pity you.
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| -So, how are you gonna feel about impeachment if Pelosi does it now & we get 55 senators vote yes |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 02:52 PM |
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Yes, you are right. |
AndyA |
Jan-19-07 02:57 PM |
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Likewise. Agree and Rec! n/t |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:24 PM |
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Clinton served his entire term and... |
LoZoccolo |
Jan-19-07 02:58 PM |
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Oh I'm not doubting that - just saying that we impeached him but nothing changed |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 02:59 PM |
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Well, one thing changed. We got to say we were right and they were wrong about BC... |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:26 PM |
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if Bush impeached but acquited, will put historic stink on him & lead to comparison to Clinton |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 05:02 PM |
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I think his point is supporting yours, LynneSin. |
pnwmom |
Jan-19-07 06:13 PM |
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I trust Pelosi's strategic descisionmaking |
Taverner |
Jan-19-07 02:59 PM |
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Actually the 'pulling off' really is in Harry Reid's hands |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:00 PM |
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Yes and with all that is on the table |
Taverner |
Jan-19-07 03:02 PM |
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I agree with you, and ... |
Akoto |
Jan-19-07 02:59 PM |
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Yes that is correct |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:00 PM |
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People are angry for Pelosi cutting the funding |
DearAbby |
Jan-19-07 03:58 PM |
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It's weird, I noticed that too... |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:28 PM |
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Do you have a source for that so I can go read? n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:41 PM |
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I can do a search |
DearAbby |
Jan-19-07 04:44 PM |
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Oh -- don't. I can do that. Because, when I listened to the WJ callers |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:53 PM |
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I have no problem with accounting for every dime |
DearAbby |
Jan-19-07 05:13 PM |
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it's cuz the goddam media has people brainwashed to believe that's not 'supporting the troops' |
NotGivingUp |
Jan-19-07 05:39 PM |
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I've said this until I was blue in the face |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 02:59 PM |
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;-) |
Richardo |
Jan-19-07 03:23 PM |
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I just KNEW you'd show up |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:48 PM |
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I couldn't agree more. |
pnwmom |
Jan-19-07 06:14 PM |
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Investigate, uncover, report, (voters) demand impeachment |
LiberalFighter |
Jan-19-07 03:00 PM |
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I'll hope that they have everything necessary to convict. |
ContraBass Black |
Jan-19-07 03:01 PM |
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Bush wouldn't last through the investigation stage - he'd resign before it reached impeachment. |
blm |
Jan-19-07 03:02 PM |
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That would be grand now wouldn't it. Save money, time, and effort. |
lonestarnot |
Jan-20-07 10:03 AM |
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That's exactly right |
sandnsea |
Jan-19-07 03:02 PM |
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No, dammit, NO, LynneSin! I want to lose an impeachment bid RIGHT THIS MINUTE!!! |
Hobarticus |
Jan-19-07 03:03 PM |
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I thought Impeachment is off the table. |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:03 PM |
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Somewhat of a strawman argument you have there ... |
cool user name |
Jan-19-07 03:04 PM |
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Let's just say any number less than 67 senators |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:14 PM |
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How do you KNOW that we don't have 67 senators? |
cool user name |
Jan-19-07 03:19 PM |
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Oh trust me, I could easily name 30-40 senators we wouldn't get right now |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:20 PM |
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Well, I guess you and I are somewhat on the same page ... |
cool user name |
Jan-19-07 03:35 PM |
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I think we're all on the same page |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:58 PM |
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I call bullshit. You don't. You have no way of knowing when the rats |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:40 PM |
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Actually that's how we'll get Bush out of office - you called it exactly!! |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:02 PM |
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I think that's right. In a way, they will do it to themselves. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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Which R's in the Senate do you think would vote to get rid of him? |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:56 PM |
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Well I think anyone opposing the surge COULD be a candidate |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:01 PM |
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Is that anyone other than Hagel? |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:11 PM |
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You have it backwards. You need to know you have 67 to start.... |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:33 PM |
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You certainly can't count on lieberman's vote n/t |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:31 PM |
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I think LynneSin is being generous with 55 |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:54 PM |
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I think at this point its "generous" to assume that the votes are there in the House |
onenote |
Jan-20-07 10:35 AM |
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I keep my S&P on the stove... |
libnnc |
Jan-19-07 03:04 PM |
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You nailed it! |
Nightjock |
Jan-19-07 03:08 PM |
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You're arguing a non-issue. |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 03:08 PM |
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I think this is more of a reactionary post to the 800 "Nancy Sucks because she won't impeach" thread |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:16 PM |
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Reactionary posts? On DU? |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 03:45 PM |
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And that's very true but asking for Nancy Pelosi's head isn't gonna help |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:59 PM |
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Yeah, that's extreme. |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 04:04 PM |
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I know from experience that this website is monitored by all sorts of folks |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:08 PM |
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We should determine our behavior by what other people think about it? |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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When you NEED the cooperation of other people to succeed, YES! |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:40 PM |
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But it works in both directions. Persuasion. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:44 PM |
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I'm sorry. I don't really understand what you were trying to say. n/t |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:21 PM |
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Wrong. |
porphyrian |
Jan-19-07 04:49 PM |
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You cannot stop Bush without the help of others. It's a simple fact. |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:20 PM |
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Yes, exactly! |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-19-07 03:09 PM |
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Impeachment process |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:13 PM |
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Thanks for the great breakdown of the process |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:17 PM |
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I messed up. I meant 3rd and 4th. |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:20 PM |
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Also, I used president in the description but of course, it |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:29 PM |
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But Pelosi said Steps #1 and #2 are off the table. So, no CRIMINAL investigation in Congress. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 09:46 AM |
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You don't believe Congressman Waxman will uncover anything? |
porphyrian |
Jan-20-07 09:49 AM |
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The current inquiries are not structured in a way capable of uncovering criminal wrongdoing. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 09:57 AM |
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You don't believe the people can or will demand impeachment as the facts are revealed? |
porphyrian |
Jan-20-07 10:20 AM |
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They are only afraid of Democrats who have money. That's why the Clintons are so powerful |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:29 AM |
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Won't the campaign finance reform change this? |
porphyrian |
Jan-20-07 10:33 AM |
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Impeachment is an indictment by the House. Removal follows a conviction |
Seabiscuit |
Jan-21-07 08:44 AM |
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impeachment |
Parche |
Jan-19-07 03:15 PM |
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Senators aren't required to impeach. Impeach is to charge. |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:40 PM |
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impeach |
Parche |
Jan-19-07 03:42 PM |
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My postion is this (and I know a lot of people disagree). |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:48 PM |
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And then after all the hoopla is done we get less than 67 senators to support it |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:25 PM |
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Even with all the evidence laid out in front of the public? |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 04:42 PM |
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Dem Senators that will never in a million years vote for Bush impeachment: |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:09 AM |
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Good list. It shows how much work we need to do before impeachment. n/t |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:33 PM |
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That's why we count Senators. Impeachment is not removal and therefore useless by itself |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:42 PM |
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So you are also counting there will not be enough evidence? |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 05:11 PM |
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No. I'm counting on the fact there is CURRENTLY not enough evidence... |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:31 PM |
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Surely you think wiretapping every man, woman and child is horrible enough |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 09:49 AM |
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The call for impeachment... |
Wildewolfe |
Jan-19-07 03:16 PM |
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How do you figure that? |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 03:57 PM |
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ABC played Leahy going off on Gonzo last night |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:06 PM |
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Enough to keep all the White House lawyers sleep-deprived. |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 04:13 PM |
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Thanks |
wryter2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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Republican support will be the tipping point, but Dems should NOT leave it to them to initiate it |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:21 PM |
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You're right. We should have waited for the Nazis to initiate the Nuremberg trials too |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:22 PM |
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LOVE the salt & pepper analogy! |
kineta |
Jan-19-07 03:22 PM |
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Yeah, I'm not sure which one made a mess |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 03:29 PM |
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Do it wrong, we might get 55 votes in the Senate |
Jack Rabbit |
Jan-19-07 03:27 PM |
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TWO reasons to do it anyway: |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 03:36 PM |
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Isn't that what the investigation is doing? |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:09 PM |
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I think it relates to a slightly smaller issue of Democrats communication style: incrementalism vs. |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:17 PM |
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You're right, Lynne. We're moving 'way too fast on impeaching |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 03:39 PM |
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well, there is no evidence he has committed cannibalism in the oval office |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:18 PM |
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I'm sorry if I'm misreading Lynne, which I've done before. All I know is |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 04:38 PM |
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you and I agree completely. We don't have to be circumspect and SHOULDN'T |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 04:56 PM |
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He turned me into a Newt! |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:14 AM |
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We have a different role than congress. Our job is to yell to impeach until it seems inevitable |
yurbud |
Jan-19-07 03:42 PM |
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No, impeachment is their job (and duty). |
mmonk |
Jan-19-07 04:08 PM |
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We can be publically for impeachment. Congressional Dems should play it differently |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:19 PM |
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In no way we should shush about impeachment |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:28 PM |
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Thhis impeachment hawk gives a K&R for a voice of sound reason. |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jan-19-07 04:08 PM |
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55 Senators not equal wrist slap. It equals W being totally vindicated, validated and consecrated. |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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One additional note about Investigation vs. Impeachment |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:14 PM |
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Oh yes, let's wait |
DancingBear |
Jan-19-07 04:18 PM |
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So instead we should just rush right thru it, get less than 67 senators |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:22 PM |
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No - YOU don't get it |
DancingBear |
Jan-19-07 06:59 PM |
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The next kid dead is one too many. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-19-07 10:15 PM |
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Too many for you and me but not for others unfortunately... |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:40 PM |
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We need enough Americans to die to convince 67 Senators. Until that happens Impeachment wont stop W |
GOTV |
Jan-19-07 04:22 PM |
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Isn't that a really crappy concept |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 04:27 PM |
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It's the same concept some "anti-war" folks falsely held: "When the body bags start coming home..." |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:22 AM |
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I never said dead Americans WOULD convince Senators... |
GOTV |
Jan-20-07 06:13 PM |
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It's the same concept held by a few who were "anti-war": "When the body bags start comin home..." |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-20-07 10:24 AM |
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Pelosi does not want to begin the process. Ever. |
Tom Joad |
Jan-19-07 04:52 PM |
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Tom - see #102 |
DancingBear |
Jan-19-07 07:01 PM |
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Clinton served his full term because the IMPEACHMENT of him was bogus |
omega minimo |
Jan-19-07 05:08 PM |
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Wrong. He served the full term because the Senate failed to convict. |
pnwmom |
Jan-19-07 06:19 PM |
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The Senate didn't convict because the IMPEACHMENT was totally bogus |
omega minimo |
Jan-19-07 06:55 PM |
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Did the bogus nature of the charges against BC prevent the House from |
pnwmom |
Jan-20-07 02:25 AM |
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Actually, the impeachment of President Clinton was to honor him |
B Calm |
Jan-20-07 06:25 AM |
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True. And so it backfired on the Repubs. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-21-07 06:35 AM |
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Yes, it backfired on them. They thought he would act like a guilty |
B Calm |
Jan-21-07 01:04 PM |
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I'm not sure that he's mentally healthy enough to know he's guilty. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-21-07 03:16 PM |
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Good point, but unlike the impeachment of President Clinton they |
B Calm |
Jan-21-07 07:39 PM |
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Have you ever read any of H2OMan's threads on impeachment? |
bobbolink |
Jan-19-07 05:29 PM |
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I've read them, and I still agree with LynneSin. She's not fear-mongering, |
pnwmom |
Jan-19-07 06:23 PM |
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Fear mongering. |
bobbolink |
Jan-20-07 03:48 PM |
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I have never said we shouldn't impeach |
LynneSin |
Jan-19-07 07:56 PM |
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You can be frustrated all you wish. |
bobbolink |
Jan-20-07 03:51 PM |
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Bbbbut We Haven't Counted The Vvvotes! How Do You Know Huh? NO ONE KNOWS!!! Roaarrrr! Block Block |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jan-19-07 07:03 PM |
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We probably can't get enough votes to remove Bush. Impeach Gonzales? |
meldroc |
Jan-19-07 10:21 PM |
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Hmmm . . . there's a thought. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-20-07 02:28 AM |
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With all due respect... |
Everybody |
Jan-20-07 06:12 AM |
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I can think of two hearings that shined a nice bright light on this admin. |
halobeam |
Jan-20-07 10:15 AM |
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one investigation will make impeachment take care of itself--2001 Cheney Energy Task Force |
yurbud |
Jan-20-07 01:06 PM |
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Why are you repeating an already-corrected misstatement? |
Zhade |
Jan-20-07 03:51 PM |
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I trust you on this n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Jan-20-07 06:36 PM |
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I basically agree... |
sendero |
Jan-21-07 06:46 AM |
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he's the biggest goddam criminal alive today...impeach now..which INCLUDES investigation |
NotGivingUp |
Jan-21-07 08:57 AM |
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GREAT POST!!!! |
xultar |
Jan-21-07 03:17 PM |
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Sheesh. Fight the fights that are worth fighting - not *just* the ones you think you can win... |
BlooInBloo |
Jan-21-07 03:18 PM |
#144 |
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