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15. It is symptomatic of a much larger problem though. And to deny that,
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 09:39 PM by Dover
to deny how deeply affected our soldiers are from this war, however it manifests...PTSD, anti-social behavior, vagrancy, outer wounds and/or a lifetime of inner one is left untouched. Nor would you be. And we do a diservice to our soldiers if we expect them to simply re-integrate back into OUR reality here at home, ignoring the immense changes, nightmares and horrors they carry home with them. We need to acknowledge it fully. Their reality will never be the same again and they need to be able to tell their stories without us blocking our ears, and shutting our eyes, expecting them to keep alive a myth of the great and noble military/U.S.A. that their altered reality knows is no longer truth. Their hero myths and concept of who/what our nation is, often gets shattered and darkly reformed. They carry our shadow. And we at home don't want to see our shadow. We like our illusions, and this just increases a soldier's isolaton. He's been to Hell and has no illusions.
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  -Disgusting- US Soldiers Taunting Crippled Dog In Iraq Jcrowley  Jan-17-07 07:40 PM   #0 
  - i can't look at stuff like that anymore. especially when they/anyone hurt dogs.  xchrom   Jan-17-07 07:42 PM   #1 
  - How can anyone be so mean to a completely helpless creature?  citygal   Jan-17-07 07:44 PM   #2 
  - anyone?  leftchick   Jan-17-07 07:46 PM   #5 
     - And there are plenty of people who just get hardened  depakid   Jan-19-07 08:32 AM   #130 
        - I have a feeling their psyches never were intact.  michael_1166   Jan-19-07 01:23 PM   #140 
  - WARNING! IF YOU LOVE ANIMALS, ESPECIALLY DOGS, DO NOT WATCH THIS!!!!!  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 07:44 PM   #3 
  - Thanks - I won't.  Clark2008   Jan-17-07 09:16 PM   #22 
  - Thanks for the warning. I won't watch.  xultar   Jan-18-07 08:21 AM   #76 
  - I can't read past this.  pecwae   Jan-18-07 06:41 PM   #120 
  - I can't watch  leftchick   Jan-17-07 07:45 PM   #4 
  - Sadly, these men are more crippled and tortured than the dog. This is evidence  Dover   Jan-17-07 07:47 PM   #6 
  - Basic de-humanization.  fooj   Jan-17-07 09:10 PM   #19 
  - Ah, BULLSHIT.  BeHereNow   Jan-17-07 11:32 PM   #52 
     - And how do people become 'void of compassion or empathy'?  Dover   Jan-18-07 12:11 AM   #62 
     - Epidemic my ass...  Mythsaje   Jan-18-07 04:09 AM   #69 
     - Oh, please...  Mythsaje   Jan-18-07 04:08 AM   #68 
     - Aye, the hell-in-a-handbasket cries  spoony   Jan-18-07 12:58 PM   #89 
     - I don't think it's our culture.  seawolf   Jan-18-07 08:17 AM   #75 
     - in the culture of Jerry Springer and girls proudly posting  G_j   Jan-18-07 12:39 PM   #85 
     - agreed  mondo obscurius   Jan-18-07 02:50 PM   #104 
  - "Want me to go ahead and kill him?"  madeline_con   Jan-17-07 08:00 PM   #7 
  - That was the kindest thing I heard them say  Nicole   Jan-17-07 10:37 PM   #42 
  - There's a guy on a science thread I read on another site  kgfnally   Jan-18-07 12:05 AM   #61 
  - The soldiers were saying the dog was walking with 2 legs...  file83   Jan-19-07 01:02 AM   #125 
  - Yeah, and I think they actually said "it" not "him"  LonelyLRLiberal   Jan-18-07 06:20 PM   #119 
  - I'm scared to look....  Branjor   Jan-17-07 08:00 PM   #8 
  - Yes, Be AFRAID, These fucks are representative of our society.  BeHereNow   Jan-17-07 11:44 PM   #57 
  - Think of the Med's our troops have been made to take  surfermaw   Jan-17-07 08:08 PM   #9 
  - With All Due Respect, Do You Know What I Find Disgusting?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-17-07 08:10 PM   #10 
  - these guys were sick fucks before the war  madrchsod   Jan-17-07 08:31 PM   #13 
  - Exactly.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-17-07 08:54 PM   #16 
  - ....and you know this how?  Dover   Jan-17-07 09:20 PM   #23 
  - "..but leaves a negative impression of ALL US soldiers by generalizing overall."  cat_girl25   Jan-17-07 08:34 PM   #14 
  - I agree. There are a$$holes and sweeties in every group of people  renate   Jan-18-07 01:56 PM   #100 
     - Thank you. That is beautiful.  WinkyDink   Jan-18-07 06:50 PM   #122 
     - I agree, but military discipline is supposed to single out the assholes, and we must do the same.  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-19-07 01:18 PM   #139 
  - It is symptomatic of a much larger problem though. And to deny that,  Dover   Jan-17-07 08:46 PM   #15 
  - 100% Disagree.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-17-07 08:58 PM   #17 
  - Do you believe that war dehumanizes people?  fooj   Jan-17-07 09:13 PM   #20 
  - I do as well.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-18-07 06:43 AM   #72 
  - I don't draw my conclusions from this single video. I'm saying it's symptomatic.  Dover   Jan-17-07 09:14 PM   #21 
     - If  Big Pappa   Jan-17-07 09:26 PM   #25 
        - That analogy  Jcrowley   Jan-17-07 09:28 PM   #27 
           - Just the  Big Pappa   Jan-17-07 09:34 PM   #29 
              - Yes of course  Jcrowley   Jan-17-07 09:46 PM   #32 
                 - I agree with most  Big Pappa   Jan-17-07 09:57 PM   #37 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-18-07 06:42 AM   #71 
  - Idiots  Big Pappa   Jan-17-07 09:21 PM   #24 
  - Well Said And Accurate. Thanks.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-17-07 09:55 PM   #35 
  - my two favorites of the soldiers. one soldier sittin on ground out in  seabeyond   Jan-17-07 09:38 PM   #31 
  - Damn Straight. And Those Are The Videos We Should Be Watching IMHO,  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-17-07 09:57 PM   #36 
  - Oh, goodie, let's only look at happy, smily pictures  adigal   Jan-18-07 01:06 PM   #92 
  - Yet Another Who Has Either Missed The Point Completely Or Twisted It To Suit Their Own Means.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-18-07 01:39 PM   #97 
  - wow.... could you be more offensive  seabeyond   Jan-18-07 04:27 PM   #112 
  - No way! There are pro-military stories posted on DU all the time!  India3   Jan-18-07 04:39 PM   #114 
  - i can't watch either  mdmc   Jan-18-07 01:03 PM   #91 
     - i have spent from the being of this whole mess looking at picture after picture  seabeyond   Jan-18-07 04:31 PM   #113 
        - it is troubling times on the internets  mdmc   Jan-18-07 07:46 PM   #124 
  - yeah tell us about that good news in Iraq  Perragrande   Jan-17-07 11:40 PM   #56 
  - I Hope You Realize That You Missed The Point Completely.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-18-07 06:20 AM   #70 
  - I totally agree with you.  RevolutionStartsNow   Jan-18-07 12:45 AM   #65 
  - We're not saying that all soldiers are bad.  WritingIsMyReligion   Jan-18-07 01:09 PM   #94 
  - Bra-freakin'-vo!  SweetGrass   Jan-18-07 02:56 PM   #105 
  - Your Premise is Incorrect, OperationMindCrime -- as any Marine will frequently tell you  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-19-07 01:08 PM   #137 
     - That is an excellent point  Strawman   Jan-19-07 02:03 PM   #142 
     - Actually It Isn't, Leopolds Ghost. And Your Explanation In No Way Excuses The OP.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-19-07 04:24 PM   #144 
        - I just think US troops, like police officers, are held to a higher standard.  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-19-07 06:31 PM   #146 
           - I Appreciate Your Completely Ignoring All Of My Points And Questions.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-19-07 06:40 PM   #147 
  - This is what happens to human beings -soldiers or civs- in war.  LynnTheDem   Jan-17-07 08:13 PM   #11 
  - And God help us all when they come home!!!!  Bobbieo   Jan-17-07 08:25 PM   #12 
     - This type of behavior shouldn't be shown?  Disturbed   Jan-17-07 09:06 PM   #18 
  - Nope can't look at this. Are these the same fuckwads that wrote the Kerry poster?  lonestarnot   Jan-17-07 09:27 PM   #26 
  - Don't you think maybe Kerry was telling the truth about  eagler   Jan-17-07 11:02 PM   #48 
  - I think it's time for them to come home.  alyce douglas   Jan-17-07 09:32 PM   #28 
  - Yes, but that is only the beginning. We, as a society, need to learn how to receive them.  Dover   Jan-17-07 09:55 PM   #34 
  - Disgusting behavior, and probably due to a disgusting POS in the White House  Gloria   Jan-17-07 09:38 PM   #30 
  - Wonder what he does to Barney in secret...  lonestarnot   Jan-17-07 10:41 PM   #44 
  - What does it mean that my first thought was  ContraBass Black   Jan-17-07 09:54 PM   #33 
  - Do you hope they still have some conscious control over their savagery?  Dover   Jan-17-07 10:01 PM   #38 
  - I just don't understand this.  AtomicKitten   Jan-17-07 10:06 PM   #39 
  - Tis sad, indeed...  zulchzulu   Jan-17-07 11:35 PM   #54 
  - "Support THESE Troops?" Fucking never. I am so ashamed of my fellow citizens.  BeHereNow   Jan-17-07 10:07 PM   #40 
  - So it's your/our image that concerns you?  Dover   Jan-17-07 10:16 PM   #41 
     - Uh-uh....My brother gave me that line of shit over the holidays and a discussion of Haditha.  BeHereNow   Jan-17-07 10:40 PM   #43 
        - I  Big Pappa   Jan-17-07 10:51 PM   #46 
        - Unfortuntely, that is NOT the way it works.  BeHereNow   Jan-17-07 11:04 PM   #49 
        - So you think soldiers don't lose their souls sometimes as a result of  Dover   Jan-17-07 11:33 PM   #53 
           - See my post upthread. You have clearly not spent much time around our youth.  BeHereNow   Jan-17-07 11:38 PM   #55 
              - I don't think you really 'saw' my post. And yes, I've been a teacher..but enough. n/t  Dover   Jan-17-07 11:48 PM   #58 
              - I saw your post and I am telling you - they were weak and demented BEFORE they went to war.  BeHereNow   Jan-17-07 11:53 PM   #59 
                 - I agree. Lot's of people will do this without being affected by war.  oblivious   Jan-18-07 08:07 AM   #74 
              - "99% of them, etc..." That's the nature of teenagers the world over, dude.  seawolf   Jan-18-07 08:22 AM   #77 
  - Hopefully these guys can be identified and dealt with  eagler   Jan-17-07 10:51 PM   #45 
  - I second that.  Big Pappa   Jan-17-07 10:52 PM   #47 
  - Pretty pathetic...  Mr_Jefferson_24   Jan-17-07 11:18 PM   #50 
  - What a wonderful document...  zulchzulu   Jan-17-07 11:28 PM   #51 
  - It's the wives who will have to watch their backs  lebkuchen   Jan-17-07 11:56 PM   #60 
  - No Excuse for Animal Torture  Hidden Stillness   Jan-18-07 12:26 AM   #63 
  - Apples and oranges ...  Kickin_Donkey   Jan-18-07 02:36 PM   #103 
     - Ooh, How Tough!  Hidden Stillness   Jan-18-07 03:57 PM   #108 
  - That terrorist dog got OWNED!  SanCristobal   Jan-18-07 12:34 AM   #64 
  - WTF is with you making up excuses  rman   Jan-18-07 03:52 AM   #66 
  - Terrorist dog?!!!? You seem to be very interested in making up some  tnlefty   Jan-18-07 12:39 PM   #84 
  - I just used the terrorist line to bring attention  SanCristobal   Jan-18-07 12:48 PM   #86 
     - GOT OWNED was also in your statement.  tnlefty   Jan-18-07 12:53 PM   #88 
        - These videos present two possibilities.  SanCristobal   Jan-18-07 01:39 PM   #98 
  - but without context, you confidently label the dog (a dog) with the Cheneyesque slurr  Supersedeas   Jan-18-07 01:01 PM   #90 
     - Dogs are either with us or against us.  SanCristobal   Jan-18-07 01:34 PM   #96 
  - Different dog, similar scene:  rman   Jan-18-07 04:01 AM   #67 
  - Again, this video has no context at all.  SanCristobal   Jan-18-07 11:57 AM   #81 
     - Actually there is context,  rman   Jan-18-07 02:06 PM   #101 
     - When I see that video, I'll accept it as evidence.  SanCristobal   Jan-18-07 02:19 PM   #102 
     - No, but he/she can refer to others as not being rational.  tnlefty   Jan-18-07 03:15 PM   #106 
        - Or I can imply that someone is a brutal monster without evidence.  SanCristobal   Jan-18-07 04:15 PM   #111 
           - Harming a crippled dog hardly rises to a level that I would think the  tnlefty   Jan-18-07 04:43 PM   #116 
     - Just one itty bitty flaw in your argument:  RedCappedBandit   Jan-18-07 03:53 PM   #107 
        - Maybe they threw rocks because they didn't want to kill it,  SanCristobal   Jan-18-07 04:13 PM   #110 
           - You're in denial  RedCappedBandit   Jan-19-07 08:20 AM   #129 
              - There is justification for such behavior, the video just doesn't show it.  SanCristobal   Jan-19-07 11:49 AM   #132 
  - I can't watch, but after reading "Fiasco,"  Vinca   Jan-18-07 06:55 AM   #73 
  - Some years ago, a famous study about mass murderers found  raccoon   Jan-18-07 08:22 AM   #78 
  - Fuck those troops. Fuck 'em. No sympathy, no excuses.  Coventina   Jan-18-07 08:24 AM   #79 
  - I can't look.  KayLaw   Jan-18-07 08:25 AM   #80 
  - Troops are drawn from the ranks of previously civilians  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-18-07 12:12 PM   #82 
  - ***************** OUTRAGED *********************  Little Wing   Jan-18-07 12:34 PM   #83 
  - This type of behavior exists everywhere  paulk   Jan-18-07 12:51 PM   #87 
  - I don't think I can watch it  Raiden   Jan-18-07 01:07 PM   #93 
  - just wearing a uniform doesn't make you 'good'- they are people  Bluerthanblue   Jan-18-07 01:31 PM   #95 
  - sad, I did not hear the sound since I am at work  judaspriestess   Jan-18-07 01:48 PM   #99 
  - Oh, Why Did I Even Open this Thread  Suziq   Jan-18-07 03:57 PM   #109 
  - You know what else is horrible?  India3   Jan-18-07 04:42 PM   #115 
  - Of course, human life is more valuable  adigal   Jan-18-07 06:44 PM   #121 
  - I can't bear this stuff. Truly. It shortens my life.  roguevalley   Jan-18-07 04:56 PM   #117 
  - These people are sick  Pharaoh   Jan-18-07 04:59 PM   #118 
  - Fire those assholes ....  Hotler   Jan-18-07 07:17 PM   #123 
  - Again, these videos show no context that lets us judge their actions.  SanCristobal   Jan-19-07 01:08 AM   #126 
  - I'm sorry, but what kind of context do you need for this?  Shakespeare   Jan-19-07 12:24 PM   #135 
     - What context would make this acceptable? If...  SanCristobal   Jan-19-07 01:06 PM   #136 
        - It is never ok to torture an animal like that. Never.  Strawman   Jan-19-07 01:33 PM   #141 
        - I do believe one of them said "that's the funniest thing I've ever seen"  Laurab   Jan-19-07 02:13 PM   #143 
        - No, even that doesn't make it acceptable.  Shakespeare   Jan-19-07 06:25 PM   #145 
  - makes me fucking sick  lies and propaganda   Jan-19-07 02:02 AM   #127 
  - Anyone taunting any animal should go directly to hell. They're gutless wonders.  bananarepublican   Jan-19-07 03:34 AM   #128 
  - damnit  negativenihil   Jan-19-07 09:19 AM   #131 
  - I couldn't watch  Strawman   Jan-19-07 11:59 AM   #133 
  - I am sick and goddamned tired of this shit!  RubyDuby in GA   Jan-19-07 12:20 PM   #134 
  - That is some sick shit.  LeftyMom   Jan-19-07 01:10 PM   #138 

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