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Thu Jan-18-07 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #52 |
| 74. Maybe on a personal basis but how about government |
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Should the government advocate or turn a blind eye toward racism? How about the government saying whites only on public water fountains or even flying a Confederate flag on government grounds. Should the government be allowed to fly a swastika to show Jews how the government feels about them? Should they be allowed to fly a Confederate flag to show the blacks how it feels about them? Your own private thoughts should be kept that way but once it enters the public arena through government there needs to be laws and control..
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| -Do people have a right to be Racists? Should racism be made illegal? |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:39 PM |
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Yes, and no. People have no right telling others what to think or believe. |
porphyrian |
Jan-17-07 07:43 PM |
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There is a fine line between freedom of speech, and advocating violence |
rpgamerd00d |
Jan-17-07 07:45 PM |
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I thought racism was illegal. |
madeline_con |
Jan-17-07 07:45 PM |
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To the contrary, hate crimes denote an additional penalty when racism is the |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 07:48 PM |
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Racism is 100 percent legal. |
EdwardM |
Jan-18-07 05:03 AM |
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I think it should be because it really is another kind of abuse |
Cleita |
Jan-17-07 07:47 PM |
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You're a thought criminal! I'll shoot you, I'll vaporize you, I'll send you to the salt mines! |
Nabeshin |
Jan-18-07 06:00 AM |
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Great points |
BoneDaddy |
Jan-18-07 06:48 AM |
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Here we go again. The "we can't poke at sacred cows because |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:42 AM |
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agreed |
BoneDaddy |
Jan-18-07 12:32 PM |
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Maybe on a personal basis but how about government |
Bandit |
Jan-18-07 10:55 AM |
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Racism isn't ideology. It's a proclivity that leads to anti-social and |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:31 AM |
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This is addressed by making those ACTIONS illegal. |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 11:41 AM |
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How are you going to make all the actions that come from |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:44 AM |
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But that's just it - All actions resulting from racism are not and should not be criminal. |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 01:06 PM |
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is that different from hate crime legislation? |
fishwax |
Jan-18-07 01:33 PM |
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If the motivation was racist, yes. It wouldn't take a prosecutor |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 03:32 PM |
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Exactly |
SusanaMontana41 |
Jan-18-07 11:39 AM |
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There's plenty of precedence for this in all the laws surrounding |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:52 AM |
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If racism is outlawed, only outlaws will have racism. |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 10:46 AM |
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Really? Is that so? |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:39 AM |
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The acts are alerady illegal, which per your first paragraph addresses |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 11:42 AM |
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What can someone do, that is racist, that should be against the law but isn't already? |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 01:27 PM |
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Okay, I lived for thirty years in the same neighborhood in Santa |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 03:48 PM |
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Everything you're describing is both racist and a crime. |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 04:59 PM |
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The Constitution was not created by people fleeing religious intolerance. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 07:47 PM |
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Corrected that statement... but the founders explicitly recognized the need for freedom |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:52 PM |
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I believe Conspiricy charges would apply there, so we're covered. |
rpgamerd00d |
Jan-17-07 07:53 PM |
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They did - freedom of religion. And of speech. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 07:56 PM |
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People are being harmed by racism every day |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:58 PM |
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You have confused "harm" with "violation of rights". NT |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:00 PM |
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Isn't everyone gonna have to pay a fine then? |
hfojvt |
Jan-18-07 11:58 AM |
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No, People can think whatever they want |
flashlighter |
Jan-17-07 07:50 PM |
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This has nothing to do with thought police. |
Cleita |
Jan-17-07 07:55 PM |
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But that's not racism |
flashlighter |
Jan-17-07 08:02 PM |
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Legal Segregation exists SOLELY BECAUSE of racism. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:04 PM |
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Which segregation is legal? |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:05 PM |
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Legal segregation DOESN'T exist |
flashlighter |
Jan-17-07 08:11 PM |
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If you read the OP |
BoneDaddy |
Jan-18-07 06:50 AM |
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You cannot make a person's morals law. Racism is learned. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jan-17-07 07:52 PM |
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Our laws ARE based on our morals. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:53 PM |
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Legality = Morality. |
rpgamerd00d |
Jan-17-07 07:54 PM |
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Yes and No. |
MrSlayer |
Jan-17-07 07:55 PM |
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If you were caught with the intent to do harm through racism |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:56 PM |
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Intent to commit a pedophile act is intent to violate the legal rights of another person. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 07:58 PM |
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I disagree... millions of Americans are harmed by racism every day |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:59 PM |
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Indeed they are. But "harm" is not the question regarding legality - violation of |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:00 PM |
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When you harm someone, you violate their rights. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:02 PM |
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Not so. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:04 PM |
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It's not about feeling loved and happy |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:30 PM |
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Again, LEGAL RIGHTS must be protected. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:31 PM |
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Discrimination. Definitely illegal. Born from racism. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:39 PM |
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Then criminalize the discrimination. Not the thoughts. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:46 PM |
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That's action |
theboss |
Jan-18-07 12:01 PM |
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The intent to do harm thing I can get with. |
MrSlayer |
Jan-17-07 08:04 PM |
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The person isn't labeled as a racist like a pedophile... |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:11 PM |
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Are you kidding? Hasn't Limbaugh been called a racist? Hasn't David Duke? |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 01:09 PM |
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No, they can't |
Bronyraurus |
Jan-18-07 01:20 PM |
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Sure. Our prisons are too empty. |
quantessd |
Jan-17-07 07:57 PM |
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How about different faces. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:01 PM |
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I see what you're saying, about a lot of people of color getting unfair sentences. |
quantessd |
Jan-17-07 08:14 PM |
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Nevermind |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-17-07 08:00 PM |
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Yes it's Misanthropic in every way!!! no Function of any good! |
orpupilofnature57 |
Jan-17-07 08:15 PM |
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As morally repugnant as racism is, people do have a right to feel that way. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jan-17-07 08:15 PM |
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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. |
LostInAnomie |
Jan-17-07 08:16 PM |
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it should be looked at as pedophilia |
orpupilofnature57 |
Jan-18-07 04:20 AM |
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Hey! That rhymed! |
GOTV |
Jan-18-07 12:03 PM |
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Yeah, I heard that rhyme a long time ago... |
LostInAnomie |
Jan-18-07 12:34 PM |
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The short answer is "yes" |
G Hawes |
Jan-17-07 08:16 PM |
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Education seems to work as well as criminalizing it would then... |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:23 PM |
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Education does work, actually |
G Hawes |
Jan-17-07 08:41 PM |
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Make thoughts illegal and you can rest assured, the conservatives will be prosecuting you |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:48 PM |
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You and I may disagree on many things, but not on this. |
porphyrian |
Jan-17-07 08:50 PM |
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Exactly. |
G Hawes |
Jan-17-07 09:11 PM |
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In general, no it's not a good idea. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:52 PM |
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I don't know where |
G Hawes |
Jan-17-07 09:13 PM |
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People have a right to think and feel however they please |
Rosemary2205 |
Jan-17-07 09:17 PM |
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People have the right to be *anything* they want... |
Ghost in the Machine |
Jan-18-07 05:18 AM |
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yeah |
BoneDaddy |
Jan-18-07 06:47 AM |
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you have the right to be racist. you dont have the right to act on it. laws |
seabeyond |
Jan-18-07 06:47 AM |
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I'm scared and disgusted that anyone is even asking this. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-18-07 07:24 AM |
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I'll take a million racists over a single thought police officer with the power of the government. |
aikoaiko |
Jan-18-07 07:35 AM |
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How Would This Work? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jan-18-07 07:35 AM |
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Right to be a racist |
Thothmes |
Jan-18-07 07:38 AM |
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People have a right to their own thoughts, but not necessarily actions. |
SmokingJacket |
Jan-18-07 07:39 AM |
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The Question Is Apropos Of Nothing |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-18-07 07:45 AM |
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No, it would be a huge mistake, and frankly illegal and unconstitutional |
MadHound |
Jan-18-07 08:43 AM |
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What is it, exactly, that you're proposing to ban? |
Orsino |
Jan-18-07 09:51 AM |
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You can't change people's thoughts, but you can force them to change |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-18-07 09:58 AM |
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Feminism should be illegal |
theboss |
Jan-18-07 10:02 AM |
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Why would you want to make all -isms illegal? |
rman |
Jan-18-07 10:08 AM |
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How can you outlaw one ism without outlawing the rest? |
theboss |
Jan-18-07 10:42 AM |
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So you do think all -isms are equal, |
rman |
Jan-18-07 11:50 AM |
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You are missing the point |
theboss |
Jan-18-07 11:59 AM |
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Indeed. If -isms can be criminlized, which does anyone think would have been |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 01:08 PM |
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The problem with rascism is not so much the thoughts or attitudes, |
rman |
Jan-18-07 01:58 PM |
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Think "1984". Thought crimes are a dangerous direction to go in. |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 10:37 AM |
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An interesting reference, given the current UK news stroy about racism |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jan-18-07 12:39 PM |
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No, bullying is not ok with me. |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 01:03 PM |
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Americans should not advocate thought crime. Freedom is for views you don't agree with. |
Beelzebud |
Jan-18-07 10:47 AM |
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People have the right to be racists. They shouldn\'t have the right to behave in racist ways. |
DuaneBidoux |
Jan-18-07 10:47 AM |
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People have the right to think evil; they do not have the right to do evil |
gollygee |
Jan-18-07 10:48 AM |
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Unfortunately, people have the right to be 100% stupid. |
Kerrytravelers |
Jan-18-07 11:52 AM |
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What do you mean by "be?" |
Swamp Rat |
Jan-18-07 11:59 AM |
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People have the right to think racist, but the rest of us |
jelly |
Jan-18-07 12:03 PM |
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Regarding pedophiles and then general comments |
uppityperson |
Jan-18-07 12:03 PM |
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Try defining "racism" in a legally actionable way. |
GOTV |
Jan-18-07 12:08 PM |
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No and Maybe. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Jan-18-07 12:16 PM |
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I don't support "Thought Police". Dangerous idea. |
npincus |
Jan-18-07 12:35 PM |
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Are you serious? |
Bronyraurus |
Jan-18-07 12:36 PM |
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Fuck thought police |
rollin74 |
Jan-18-07 01:21 PM |
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you can't legislate that, but there are hate crime laws on the books |
WI_DEM |
Jan-18-07 01:24 PM |
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It needs to be written up in the DSM |
Karenina |
Jan-18-07 01:54 PM |
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People who are racist choose to hate, |
verse18 |
Jan-18-07 02:16 PM |
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Let me get this straight.... |
theboss |
Jan-19-07 08:40 AM |
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No |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-18-07 03:55 PM |
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