berni_mccoy
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Wed Jan-17-07 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #14 |
| 18. People are being harmed by racism every day |
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Racism is more than just speech. It is a will to harm those of another race. It violates the right to pursue happiness of those of that race.
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| -Do people have a right to be Racists? Should racism be made illegal? |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:39 PM |
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Yes, and no. People have no right telling others what to think or believe. |
porphyrian |
Jan-17-07 07:43 PM |
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There is a fine line between freedom of speech, and advocating violence |
rpgamerd00d |
Jan-17-07 07:45 PM |
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I thought racism was illegal. |
madeline_con |
Jan-17-07 07:45 PM |
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To the contrary, hate crimes denote an additional penalty when racism is the |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 07:48 PM |
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Racism is 100 percent legal. |
EdwardM |
Jan-18-07 05:03 AM |
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I think it should be because it really is another kind of abuse |
Cleita |
Jan-17-07 07:47 PM |
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You're a thought criminal! I'll shoot you, I'll vaporize you, I'll send you to the salt mines! |
Nabeshin |
Jan-18-07 06:00 AM |
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Great points |
BoneDaddy |
Jan-18-07 06:48 AM |
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Here we go again. The "we can't poke at sacred cows because |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:42 AM |
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agreed |
BoneDaddy |
Jan-18-07 12:32 PM |
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Maybe on a personal basis but how about government |
Bandit |
Jan-18-07 10:55 AM |
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Racism isn't ideology. It's a proclivity that leads to anti-social and |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:31 AM |
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This is addressed by making those ACTIONS illegal. |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 11:41 AM |
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How are you going to make all the actions that come from |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:44 AM |
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But that's just it - All actions resulting from racism are not and should not be criminal. |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 01:06 PM |
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is that different from hate crime legislation? |
fishwax |
Jan-18-07 01:33 PM |
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If the motivation was racist, yes. It wouldn't take a prosecutor |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 03:32 PM |
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Exactly |
SusanaMontana41 |
Jan-18-07 11:39 AM |
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There's plenty of precedence for this in all the laws surrounding |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:52 AM |
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If racism is outlawed, only outlaws will have racism. |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 10:46 AM |
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Really? Is that so? |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 11:39 AM |
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The acts are alerady illegal, which per your first paragraph addresses |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 11:42 AM |
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What can someone do, that is racist, that should be against the law but isn't already? |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 01:27 PM |
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Okay, I lived for thirty years in the same neighborhood in Santa |
Cleita |
Jan-18-07 03:48 PM |
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Everything you're describing is both racist and a crime. |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 04:59 PM |
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The Constitution was not created by people fleeing religious intolerance. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 07:47 PM |
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Corrected that statement... but the founders explicitly recognized the need for freedom |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:52 PM |
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I believe Conspiricy charges would apply there, so we're covered. |
rpgamerd00d |
Jan-17-07 07:53 PM |
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They did - freedom of religion. And of speech. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 07:56 PM |
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People are being harmed by racism every day |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:58 PM |
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You have confused "harm" with "violation of rights". NT |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:00 PM |
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Isn't everyone gonna have to pay a fine then? |
hfojvt |
Jan-18-07 11:58 AM |
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No, People can think whatever they want |
flashlighter |
Jan-17-07 07:50 PM |
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This has nothing to do with thought police. |
Cleita |
Jan-17-07 07:55 PM |
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But that's not racism |
flashlighter |
Jan-17-07 08:02 PM |
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Legal Segregation exists SOLELY BECAUSE of racism. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:04 PM |
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Which segregation is legal? |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:05 PM |
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Legal segregation DOESN'T exist |
flashlighter |
Jan-17-07 08:11 PM |
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If you read the OP |
BoneDaddy |
Jan-18-07 06:50 AM |
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You cannot make a person's morals law. Racism is learned. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jan-17-07 07:52 PM |
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Our laws ARE based on our morals. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:53 PM |
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Legality = Morality. |
rpgamerd00d |
Jan-17-07 07:54 PM |
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Yes and No. |
MrSlayer |
Jan-17-07 07:55 PM |
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If you were caught with the intent to do harm through racism |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:56 PM |
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Intent to commit a pedophile act is intent to violate the legal rights of another person. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 07:58 PM |
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I disagree... millions of Americans are harmed by racism every day |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 07:59 PM |
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Indeed they are. But "harm" is not the question regarding legality - violation of |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:00 PM |
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When you harm someone, you violate their rights. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:02 PM |
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Not so. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:04 PM |
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It's not about feeling loved and happy |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:30 PM |
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Again, LEGAL RIGHTS must be protected. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:31 PM |
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Discrimination. Definitely illegal. Born from racism. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:39 PM |
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Then criminalize the discrimination. Not the thoughts. |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:46 PM |
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That's action |
theboss |
Jan-18-07 12:01 PM |
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The intent to do harm thing I can get with. |
MrSlayer |
Jan-17-07 08:04 PM |
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The person isn't labeled as a racist like a pedophile... |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:11 PM |
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Are you kidding? Hasn't Limbaugh been called a racist? Hasn't David Duke? |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 01:09 PM |
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No, they can't |
Bronyraurus |
Jan-18-07 01:20 PM |
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Sure. Our prisons are too empty. |
quantessd |
Jan-17-07 07:57 PM |
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How about different faces. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:01 PM |
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I see what you're saying, about a lot of people of color getting unfair sentences. |
quantessd |
Jan-17-07 08:14 PM |
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Nevermind |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-17-07 08:00 PM |
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Yes it's Misanthropic in every way!!! no Function of any good! |
orpupilofnature57 |
Jan-17-07 08:15 PM |
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As morally repugnant as racism is, people do have a right to feel that way. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jan-17-07 08:15 PM |
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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. |
LostInAnomie |
Jan-17-07 08:16 PM |
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it should be looked at as pedophilia |
orpupilofnature57 |
Jan-18-07 04:20 AM |
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Hey! That rhymed! |
GOTV |
Jan-18-07 12:03 PM |
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Yeah, I heard that rhyme a long time ago... |
LostInAnomie |
Jan-18-07 12:34 PM |
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The short answer is "yes" |
G Hawes |
Jan-17-07 08:16 PM |
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Education seems to work as well as criminalizing it would then... |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:23 PM |
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Education does work, actually |
G Hawes |
Jan-17-07 08:41 PM |
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Make thoughts illegal and you can rest assured, the conservatives will be prosecuting you |
mondo joe |
Jan-17-07 08:48 PM |
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You and I may disagree on many things, but not on this. |
porphyrian |
Jan-17-07 08:50 PM |
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Exactly. |
G Hawes |
Jan-17-07 09:11 PM |
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In general, no it's not a good idea. |
berni_mccoy |
Jan-17-07 08:52 PM |
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I don't know where |
G Hawes |
Jan-17-07 09:13 PM |
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People have a right to think and feel however they please |
Rosemary2205 |
Jan-17-07 09:17 PM |
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People have the right to be *anything* they want... |
Ghost in the Machine |
Jan-18-07 05:18 AM |
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yeah |
BoneDaddy |
Jan-18-07 06:47 AM |
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you have the right to be racist. you dont have the right to act on it. laws |
seabeyond |
Jan-18-07 06:47 AM |
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I'm scared and disgusted that anyone is even asking this. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-18-07 07:24 AM |
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I'll take a million racists over a single thought police officer with the power of the government. |
aikoaiko |
Jan-18-07 07:35 AM |
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How Would This Work? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jan-18-07 07:35 AM |
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Right to be a racist |
Thothmes |
Jan-18-07 07:38 AM |
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People have a right to their own thoughts, but not necessarily actions. |
SmokingJacket |
Jan-18-07 07:39 AM |
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The Question Is Apropos Of Nothing |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-18-07 07:45 AM |
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No, it would be a huge mistake, and frankly illegal and unconstitutional |
MadHound |
Jan-18-07 08:43 AM |
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What is it, exactly, that you're proposing to ban? |
Orsino |
Jan-18-07 09:51 AM |
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You can't change people's thoughts, but you can force them to change |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-18-07 09:58 AM |
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Feminism should be illegal |
theboss |
Jan-18-07 10:02 AM |
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Why would you want to make all -isms illegal? |
rman |
Jan-18-07 10:08 AM |
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How can you outlaw one ism without outlawing the rest? |
theboss |
Jan-18-07 10:42 AM |
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So you do think all -isms are equal, |
rman |
Jan-18-07 11:50 AM |
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You are missing the point |
theboss |
Jan-18-07 11:59 AM |
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Indeed. If -isms can be criminlized, which does anyone think would have been |
mondo joe |
Jan-18-07 01:08 PM |
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The problem with rascism is not so much the thoughts or attitudes, |
rman |
Jan-18-07 01:58 PM |
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Think "1984". Thought crimes are a dangerous direction to go in. |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 10:37 AM |
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An interesting reference, given the current UK news stroy about racism |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jan-18-07 12:39 PM |
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No, bullying is not ok with me. |
JacksonWest |
Jan-18-07 01:03 PM |
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Americans should not advocate thought crime. Freedom is for views you don't agree with. |
Beelzebud |
Jan-18-07 10:47 AM |
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People have the right to be racists. They shouldn\'t have the right to behave in racist ways. |
DuaneBidoux |
Jan-18-07 10:47 AM |
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People have the right to think evil; they do not have the right to do evil |
gollygee |
Jan-18-07 10:48 AM |
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Unfortunately, people have the right to be 100% stupid. |
Kerrytravelers |
Jan-18-07 11:52 AM |
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What do you mean by "be?" |
Swamp Rat |
Jan-18-07 11:59 AM |
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People have the right to think racist, but the rest of us |
jelly |
Jan-18-07 12:03 PM |
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Regarding pedophiles and then general comments |
uppityperson |
Jan-18-07 12:03 PM |
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Try defining "racism" in a legally actionable way. |
GOTV |
Jan-18-07 12:08 PM |
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No and Maybe. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Jan-18-07 12:16 PM |
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I don't support "Thought Police". Dangerous idea. |
npincus |
Jan-18-07 12:35 PM |
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Are you serious? |
Bronyraurus |
Jan-18-07 12:36 PM |
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Fuck thought police |
rollin74 |
Jan-18-07 01:21 PM |
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you can't legislate that, but there are hate crime laws on the books |
WI_DEM |
Jan-18-07 01:24 PM |
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It needs to be written up in the DSM |
Karenina |
Jan-18-07 01:54 PM |
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People who are racist choose to hate, |
verse18 |
Jan-18-07 02:16 PM |
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Let me get this straight.... |
theboss |
Jan-19-07 08:40 AM |
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No |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-18-07 03:55 PM |
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