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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:47 PM
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4. I think it should be because it really is another kind of abuse
by one group of persons towards another. It may not be harming them physically, but it does harm the victims socially and often psychologically. Subtle racism keeps underclasses from achieving the same level of dignity and economic freedom that the dominant race gets. It's unjust and unfair anyway you look at it.
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  -Do people have a right to be Racists? Should racism be made illegal? berni_mccoy  Jan-17-07 07:39 PM   #0 
  - Yes, and no. People have no right telling others what to think or believe.  porphyrian   Jan-17-07 07:43 PM   #1 
  - There is a fine line between freedom of speech, and advocating violence  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 07:45 PM   #2 
  - I thought racism was illegal.  madeline_con   Jan-17-07 07:45 PM   #3 
  - To the contrary, hate crimes denote an additional penalty when racism is the  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 07:48 PM   #6 
  - Racism is 100 percent legal.  EdwardM   Jan-18-07 05:03 AM   #50 
  - I think it should be because it really is another kind of abuse  Cleita   Jan-17-07 07:47 PM   #4 
  - You're a thought criminal! I'll shoot you, I'll vaporize you, I'll send you to the salt mines!  Nabeshin   Jan-18-07 06:00 AM   #52 
  - Great points  BoneDaddy   Jan-18-07 06:48 AM   #55 
  - Here we go again. The "we can't poke at sacred cows because  Cleita   Jan-18-07 11:42 AM   #80 
     - agreed  BoneDaddy   Jan-18-07 12:32 PM   #94 
  - Maybe on a personal basis but how about government  Bandit   Jan-18-07 10:55 AM   #74 
  - Racism isn't ideology. It's a proclivity that leads to anti-social and  Cleita   Jan-18-07 11:31 AM   #75 
  - This is addressed by making those ACTIONS illegal.  mondo joe   Jan-18-07 11:41 AM   #78 
     - How are you going to make all the actions that come from  Cleita   Jan-18-07 11:44 AM   #81 
        - But that's just it - All actions resulting from racism are not and should not be criminal.  mondo joe   Jan-18-07 01:06 PM   #100 
        - is that different from hate crime legislation?  fishwax   Jan-18-07 01:33 PM   #107 
           - If the motivation was racist, yes. It wouldn't take a prosecutor  Cleita   Jan-18-07 03:32 PM   #111 
  - Exactly  SusanaMontana41   Jan-18-07 11:39 AM   #77 
     - There's plenty of precedence for this in all the laws surrounding  Cleita   Jan-18-07 11:52 AM   #84 
  - If racism is outlawed, only outlaws will have racism.  JacksonWest   Jan-18-07 10:46 AM   #70 
     - Really? Is that so?  Cleita   Jan-18-07 11:39 AM   #76 
        - The acts are alerady illegal, which per your first paragraph addresses  mondo joe   Jan-18-07 11:42 AM   #79 
        - What can someone do, that is racist, that should be against the law but isn't already?  JacksonWest   Jan-18-07 01:27 PM   #106 
           - Okay, I lived for thirty years in the same neighborhood in Santa  Cleita   Jan-18-07 03:48 PM   #112 
              - Everything you're describing is both racist and a crime.  JacksonWest   Jan-18-07 04:59 PM   #114 
  - The Constitution was not created by people fleeing religious intolerance.  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 07:47 PM   #5 
  - Corrected that statement... but the founders explicitly recognized the need for freedom  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 07:52 PM   #9 
     - I believe Conspiricy charges would apply there, so we're covered.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 07:53 PM   #11 
     - They did - freedom of religion. And of speech.  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 07:56 PM   #14 
        - People are being harmed by racism every day  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 07:58 PM   #18 
           - You have confused "harm" with "violation of rights". NT  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 08:00 PM   #20 
           - Isn't everyone gonna have to pay a fine then?  hfojvt   Jan-18-07 11:58 AM   #85 
  - No, People can think whatever they want  flashlighter   Jan-17-07 07:50 PM   #7 
  - This has nothing to do with thought police.  Cleita   Jan-17-07 07:55 PM   # 
     - But that's not racism  flashlighter   Jan-17-07 08:02 PM   #24 
     - Legal Segregation exists SOLELY BECAUSE of racism.  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 08:04 PM   #26 
        - Which segregation is legal?  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 08:05 PM   #29 
        - Legal segregation DOESN'T exist  flashlighter   Jan-17-07 08:11 PM   #31 
     - If you read the OP  BoneDaddy   Jan-18-07 06:50 AM   #56 
  - You cannot make a person's morals law. Racism is learned.  illinoisprogressive   Jan-17-07 07:52 PM   #8 
  - Our laws ARE based on our morals.  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 07:53 PM   #10 
     - Legality = Morality.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 07:54 PM   #12 
  - Yes and No.  MrSlayer   Jan-17-07 07:55 PM   #13 
  - If you were caught with the intent to do harm through racism  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 07:56 PM   #15 
     - Intent to commit a pedophile act is intent to violate the legal rights of another person.  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 07:58 PM   #17 
     - I disagree... millions of Americans are harmed by racism every day  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 07:59 PM   #19 
        - Indeed they are. But "harm" is not the question regarding legality - violation of  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 08:00 PM   #22 
           - When you harm someone, you violate their rights.  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 08:02 PM   #25 
              - Not so.  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 08:04 PM   #27 
                 - It's not about feeling loved and happy  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 08:30 PM   #38 
                    - Again, LEGAL RIGHTS must be protected.  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 08:31 PM   #39 
                    - Discrimination. Definitely illegal. Born from racism.  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 08:39 PM   #40 
                       - Then criminalize the discrimination. Not the thoughts.  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 08:46 PM   #42 
                    - That's action  theboss   Jan-18-07 12:01 PM   #88 
     - The intent to do harm thing I can get with.  MrSlayer   Jan-17-07 08:04 PM   #28 
     - The person isn't labeled as a racist like a pedophile...  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 08:11 PM   #30 
        - Are you kidding? Hasn't Limbaugh been called a racist? Hasn't David Duke?  mondo joe   Jan-18-07 01:09 PM   #102 
     - No, they can't  Bronyraurus   Jan-18-07 01:20 PM   #103 
  - Sure. Our prisons are too empty.  quantessd   Jan-17-07 07:57 PM   #16 
  - How about different faces.  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 08:01 PM   #23 
     - I see what you're saying, about a lot of people of color getting unfair sentences.  quantessd   Jan-17-07 08:14 PM   #32 
  - Nevermind  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-17-07 08:00 PM   #21 
  - Yes it's Misanthropic in every way!!! no Function of any good!  orpupilofnature57   Jan-17-07 08:15 PM   #33 
  - As morally repugnant as racism is, people do have a right to feel that way.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jan-17-07 08:15 PM   #34 
  - A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.  LostInAnomie   Jan-17-07 08:16 PM   #35 
  - it should be looked at as pedophilia  orpupilofnature57   Jan-18-07 04:20 AM   #49 
  - Hey! That rhymed!  GOTV   Jan-18-07 12:03 PM   #90 
     - Yeah, I heard that rhyme a long time ago...  LostInAnomie   Jan-18-07 12:34 PM   #95 
  - The short answer is "yes"  G Hawes   Jan-17-07 08:16 PM   #36 
  - Education seems to work as well as criminalizing it would then...  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 08:23 PM   #37 
     - Education does work, actually  G Hawes   Jan-17-07 08:41 PM   #41 
        - Make thoughts illegal and you can rest assured, the conservatives will be prosecuting you  mondo joe   Jan-17-07 08:48 PM   #43 
        - You and I may disagree on many things, but not on this.  porphyrian   Jan-17-07 08:50 PM   #44 
        - Exactly.  G Hawes   Jan-17-07 09:11 PM   #46 
        - In general, no it's not a good idea.  berni_mccoy   Jan-17-07 08:52 PM   #45 
           - I don't know where  G Hawes   Jan-17-07 09:13 PM   #47 
  - People have a right to think and feel however they please  Rosemary2205   Jan-17-07 09:17 PM   #48 
  - People have the right to be *anything* they want...  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-18-07 05:18 AM   #51 
  - yeah  BoneDaddy   Jan-18-07 06:47 AM   #53 
  - you have the right to be racist. you dont have the right to act on it. laws  seabeyond   Jan-18-07 06:47 AM   #54 
  - I'm scared and disgusted that anyone is even asking this.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-18-07 07:24 AM   #57 
  - I'll take a million racists over a single thought police officer with the power of the government.  aikoaiko   Jan-18-07 07:35 AM   #58 
  - How Would This Work?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-18-07 07:35 AM   #59 
  - Right to be a racist  Thothmes   Jan-18-07 07:38 AM   #60 
  - People have a right to their own thoughts, but not necessarily actions.  SmokingJacket   Jan-18-07 07:39 AM   #61 
  - The Question Is Apropos Of Nothing  ProfessorGAC   Jan-18-07 07:45 AM   #62 
  - No, it would be a huge mistake, and frankly illegal and unconstitutional  MadHound   Jan-18-07 08:43 AM   #63 
  - What is it, exactly, that you're proposing to ban?  Orsino   Jan-18-07 09:51 AM   #64 
  - You can't change people's thoughts, but you can force them to change  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-18-07 09:58 AM   #65 
  - Feminism should be illegal  theboss   Jan-18-07 10:02 AM   #66 
  - Why would you want to make all -isms illegal?  rman   Jan-18-07 10:08 AM   #67 
     - How can you outlaw one ism without outlawing the rest?  theboss   Jan-18-07 10:42 AM   #69 
        - So you do think all -isms are equal,  rman   Jan-18-07 11:50 AM   #82 
           - You are missing the point  theboss   Jan-18-07 11:59 AM   #86 
              - Indeed. If -isms can be criminlized, which does anyone think would have been  mondo joe   Jan-18-07 01:08 PM   #101 
              - The problem with rascism is not so much the thoughts or attitudes,  rman   Jan-18-07 01:58 PM   #109 
  - Think "1984". Thought crimes are a dangerous direction to go in.  JacksonWest   Jan-18-07 10:37 AM   #68 
  - An interesting reference, given the current UK news stroy about racism  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-18-07 12:39 PM   #98 
     - No, bullying is not ok with me.  JacksonWest   Jan-18-07 01:03 PM   #99 
  - Americans should not advocate thought crime. Freedom is for views you don't agree with.  Beelzebud   Jan-18-07 10:47 AM   #71 
  - People have the right to be racists. They shouldn\'t have the right to behave in racist ways.  DuaneBidoux   Jan-18-07 10:47 AM   #72 
  - People have the right to think evil; they do not have the right to do evil  gollygee   Jan-18-07 10:48 AM   #73 
  - Unfortunately, people have the right to be 100% stupid.  Kerrytravelers   Jan-18-07 11:52 AM   #83 
  - What do you mean by "be?"  Swamp Rat   Jan-18-07 11:59 AM   #87 
  - People have the right to think racist, but the rest of us  jelly   Jan-18-07 12:03 PM   #89 
  - Regarding pedophiles and then general comments  uppityperson   Jan-18-07 12:03 PM   #91 
  - Try defining "racism" in a legally actionable way.  GOTV   Jan-18-07 12:08 PM   #92 
  - No and Maybe.  philosophie_en_rose   Jan-18-07 12:16 PM   #93 
  - I don't support "Thought Police". Dangerous idea.  npincus   Jan-18-07 12:35 PM   #96 
  - Are you serious?  Bronyraurus   Jan-18-07 12:36 PM   #97 
  - Fuck thought police  rollin74   Jan-18-07 01:21 PM   #104 
  - you can't legislate that, but there are hate crime laws on the books  WI_DEM   Jan-18-07 01:24 PM   #105 
  - It needs to be written up in the DSM  Karenina   Jan-18-07 01:54 PM   #108 
  - People who are racist choose to hate,  verse18   Jan-18-07 02:16 PM   #110 
  - Let me get this straight....  theboss   Jan-19-07 08:40 AM   #115 
  - No  Jed Dilligan   Jan-18-07 03:55 PM   #113 

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