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61. no it's not
for 400 years (up until 1964) it was law to deny black people education, equal rights, a say in their government, means of gaining wealth and property, and since 1964 it still happens, in more subtle but equally sinister ways.

some of the most powerful corporations in this country wouldn't even be around today without all that free labor - and why do you think the south's economy took so long (and is still lagging behind) to recover? they were so used to all that free labor.

i don't know anybody who has a "victim mentality" and black people today have as much to do with slavery as you or me (and most of my ancestors came over here after the slaves were freed as well). all i ever see or hear is people saying hey, give me a fair fucking shot and i'll be happy.

but the effects certainly transfer over when all of the problems didn't stop, hell became even worse once the war ended.

slavery is not the only thing to blame for what's going on today, nearly the whole of american history is. and as long as you live here, and participate in an unequal society but turn a blind eye towards that inequality, you're responsible. if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

nobody is asking you personally to apologize for slavery, cause again you and me had nothing to do with it. just recognize what it's done. that's not a victim mentality, that's the fucking truth.
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  -How a Victim Mentality Makes You Remain in the Hurtful Past rpgamerd00d  Jan-17-07 01:29 PM   #0 
  - happy belated Martin Luther King Jr. Day to you too...  nashville_brook   Jan-17-07 01:31 PM   #1 
  - Ditto that.  theHandpuppet   Jan-17-07 01:57 PM   #18 
  - Good post. Any group of positive persons is more powerful than only one.  Peake   Jan-17-07 01:31 PM   #2 
  - seems like a lounge post to me but whatever  pitohui   Jan-17-07 01:35 PM   #3 
  - Victim and Victim mentality are different, as per the article.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:36 PM   #4 
     - in real life the phrase victim mentality is code for STFU w. yr liberal issues  pitohui   Jan-17-07 01:53 PM   #12 
        - I disagree. This has nothing to do with real victims of real offenses.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:54 PM   #13 
           - well that is patently untrue  pitohui   Jan-17-07 01:56 PM   #17 
           - Show me a slave in the USA, and I'll give you $1000.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:58 PM   #22 
              - Just because it was abolished doesn't mean they don't exist..  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:05 PM   #42 
              - OK, you're right, I should have said "legal slavery"  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:06 PM   #45 
              - I will send you my address  Madspirit   Jan-17-07 04:27 PM   #148 
           - Depends on your definition of slavery.  Kerrytravelers   Jan-17-07 02:02 PM   #31 
              - what is your definition of "is" ?  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:03 PM   #34 
                 - That's pretty sad.  crispini   Jan-17-07 02:18 PM   #54 
                 - Well said! And it's not all financial either!  ieoeja   Jan-17-07 02:42 PM   #82 
                 - good post, but those 'people alive today' have adult grandchildren  hfojvt   Jan-17-07 03:01 PM   #107 
                    - The economic impact is the biggest thing I am thinking of.  crispini   Jan-17-07 03:37 PM   #122 
                 - So now you're quoting Republic spin against Clinton.  ieoeja   Jan-17-07 02:31 PM   #72 
  - Rescuers need Victims in the Melodrama of Life.  TahitiNut   Jan-17-07 01:37 PM   #5 
  - I like that phrase.  igil   Jan-17-07 02:37 PM   #78 
     - It's a melodrama for the Victims, the Rescuers, and the Villains.  TahitiNut   Jan-17-07 03:27 PM   #118 
  - The problem is that the damage caused by slavery has never been entirely fixed.  porphyrian   Jan-17-07 01:41 PM   #6 
  - It is disingenuous to blame todays issues on slavery, and it is just as  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:43 PM   #8 
     - It's not slavery's "fault," but the damage it caused did not end with the practice.  porphyrian   Jan-17-07 02:03 PM   #35 
     - I feel that doing so would re-victimize those same people youre trying to help.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:11 PM   #48 
        - Did you even read the resolution?...  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:17 PM   #53 
        - If you ignore the history parts of it, here is the only relevant piece:  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:20 PM   #57 
           - If you ignore the history parts of it?  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:22 PM   #60 
           - Its a resolution, and all it does is blather on and on until it finally gets to  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:24 PM   #64 
              - Okay, you had me going there for a while...  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:31 PM   #71 
           - atone "1. To make amends, as for a sin or fault: These crimes must be atoned for."  bananas   Jan-17-07 03:06 PM   #111 
        - No one has to accept an apology, but no one can accept one that isn't given.  porphyrian   Jan-17-07 02:20 PM   #58 
     - no it's not  mark414   Jan-17-07 02:22 PM   #61 
  - I think this "just don't think like a victim and the world is your oyster" is a load of crap.  fasttense   Jan-17-07 01:43 PM   #7 
  - Again, real victim isn't the same thing as victim mentality, you should read more carefully  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:44 PM   #9 
     - people can read just fine, it's the OP that is poorly written  pitohui   Jan-17-07 01:55 PM   # 
     - Well, since Im farther to the left than pretty much everyone here,  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:56 PM   #16 
     - facts not in evidence, sorry  pitohui   Jan-17-07 01:58 PM   #21 
     - OK, you need to re-read everything, because now you're just making shit up.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:59 PM   #24 
     - You're so damn far to the left that you've made it all the way to the extreme right.  Sapphire Blue   Jan-17-07 02:01 PM   #27 
     - Uh, no, this is a very liberal viewpoint.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:01 PM   #28 
        - sounds a bit Ayn Rand-ian... maybe she was a liberal and we just didn't get it  nashville_brook   Jan-17-07 02:07 PM   #46 
        - liberal not = left  iverglas   Jan-17-07 04:02 PM   #136 
           - That is very well put  crispini   Jan-17-07 04:46 PM   #155 
              - I didn't read a lot of the thread ...  iverglas   Jan-17-07 05:21 PM   #159 
              - Exactly. Symbols have power.  crispini   Jan-17-07 05:48 PM   #164 
                 - here's one to ponder  iverglas   Jan-17-07 06:29 PM   #167 
              - self-deleted; it told me my post didn't work the first time (n/t)  iverglas   Jan-17-07 05:23 PM   #160 
     - HAHAHAHAHAHA!  Zhade   Jan-17-07 03:04 PM   #110 
     - Hmm, lets see.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:08 PM   #113 
     - That is amazing! I had no idea we had clairvoyants on this board!  Midlodemocrat   Jan-17-07 03:45 PM   #128 
     - Forgiveness is an act of personal change. n/t  Dora   Jan-17-07 02:04 PM   #40 
     - And you should read my response more carefully.  fasttense   Jan-17-07 02:00 PM   #25 
  - This is a good article,  Marie26   Jan-17-07 01:50 PM   #10 
  - Blacks do need to "get over" slavery.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:53 PM   #11 
     - So that was the real point  Marie26   Jan-17-07 01:59 PM   #23 
     - You are, of course, totally wrong.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:00 PM   #26 
        - Sorry that symbolic gestures are over yours...n/t  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:04 PM   #38 
        - No, I am totally right  Marie26   Jan-17-07 02:04 PM   #39 
     - Slavery doesn't affect us?  Connie_Corleone   Jan-17-07 02:02 PM   #30 
     - This may help you some with the family tree thing (congress to act on it):  The Straight Story   Jan-17-07 04:05 PM   #137 
     - This post is one of the most offensive that I have ever read on this site.  Sapphire Blue   Jan-17-07 02:02 PM   #32 
     - Then why are you replying here?  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:04 PM   #37 
     - Perhaps To Let You Know It Was Offensive?  ProfessorGAC   Jan-17-07 02:29 PM   #69 
     - Because this is where you posted your offensive crap.  Sapphire Blue   Jan-17-07 02:33 PM   #73 
     - It's certainly up there. nt  Marie26   Jan-17-07 02:16 PM   #52 
     - I know you think the resolution is bullshit...  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:03 PM   #33 
     - That might well be, I don't live there. I'll take your word for it.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:04 PM   #41 
     - Let me guess - you're white, right?  lukasahero   Jan-17-07 02:39 PM   #79 
        - Please keep the racism out of my thread, thanks.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:42 PM   #84 
           - BWAAHAHA!  lukasahero   Jan-17-07 02:43 PM   #85 
           - Nothing I've said is remotely racist.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:46 PM   #88 
           - LOL!  Marie26   Jan-17-07 02:43 PM   #86 
  - Ah, I see we're back to this topic again:  Kerrytravelers   Jan-17-07 01:55 PM   #14 
  - What a narrow view of history  MadHound   Jan-17-07 01:55 PM   #15 
  - Great. Now, how does VA apologizing for slavery help?  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 01:57 PM   #20 
     - How does South Africa  Marie26   Jan-17-07 02:04 PM   #36 
     - And clearly, your articles is the definitive opinion that we must all subscribe to.  Kerrytravelers   Jan-17-07 02:06 PM   #43 
     - Delusions of grandeur, indeed.  Bunny   Jan-17-07 03:51 PM   #135 
     - This is how..  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:12 PM   #49 
     - Not exactly an answer to what I asked, but lemme go with it.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:16 PM   #51 
        - Based on your false premise, it doesn't...  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:21 PM   #59 
        - Um yeah, they are, read it:  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:25 PM   #66 
        - Umm, you cherry-picked one line out of the resolution..  Virginia Dare   Jan-17-07 02:51 PM   #94 
        - that's an interesting point  Bill McBlueState   Jan-17-07 03:41 PM   #124 
        - you have articles written by psychologists that clearly show it would hurt the situation?  fishwax   Jan-17-07 05:50 PM   #165 
     - Well, first of all, I think that your two articles are POS, nothing personal  MadHound   Jan-17-07 02:24 PM   #63 
     - got google?  iverglas   Jan-17-07 05:45 PM   #162 
  - Agreed. Victimization encourages passivity. nt  MookieWilson   Jan-17-07 01:57 PM   #19 
  - And frequently leads to behaviors that prevent further victimization. n/t  fasttense   Jan-17-07 02:02 PM   #29 
     - Yes and no. Being a victim and being victimized are different. nt  MookieWilson   Jan-17-07 02:06 PM   #44 
        - this thread is frizzy with split hairs  nashville_brook   Jan-17-07 02:09 PM   #47 
        - True but you start out as a victim.  fasttense   Jan-17-07 02:14 PM   #50 
  - Good post  mongo   Jan-17-07 02:19 PM   #55 
  - And on the other hand,  Marie26   Jan-17-07 02:33 PM   #75 
  - My personal opinion?  distantearlywarning   Jan-17-07 02:19 PM   #56 
  - I disagree. I think personal responsibility is not a right or left issue.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:23 PM   #62 
  - have you read Wayward Puritans?  iverglas   Jan-17-07 05:35 PM   #161 
  - Best post on the thread  Mandate My Ass   Jan-17-07 02:25 PM   #65 
  - Nailed it.  Marie26   Jan-17-07 02:28 PM   #68 
  - Excellent post. Don't think you'll convince the OP, though.  Pithlet   Jan-17-07 02:31 PM   #70 
  - You sure you're not a neocon? You just blamed me for shit I didn't say.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:36 PM   #77 
     - Did you or did you not say black people have to get over slavery?  Pithlet   Jan-17-07 02:42 PM   #81 
        - There are no victims of slavery. You claimed I said there were. Thats not true.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:44 PM   #87 
           - You said blacks need to get over it.  Pithlet   Jan-17-07 02:50 PM   #92 
              - Of course they do! They were never affected by it!  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:53 PM   #97 
                 - Where did that racism, intolerance and ignorance come from?  Pithlet   Jan-17-07 02:56 PM   #102 
                 - Look, I do understand your point, I'm not stupid.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:00 PM   #106 
                    - Can't change the past. But you can work to change its effect  Pithlet   Jan-17-07 03:08 PM   #114 
                       - Its very important that you address the actual issues, however.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:15 PM   #116 
                          - It's not as if  Pithlet   Jan-17-07 03:24 PM   #117 
                             - Actually, youre right, I shouldn't have implied the apology needed to wait.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:28 PM   #120 
                                - From your perspective it may seem like a waste of time.  Pithlet   Jan-17-07 03:39 PM   #123 
                                - I am a nit-picker by nature. Its just how I am.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:42 PM   #125 
                                   - And that's not a bad attribute, generally speaking.  Pithlet   Jan-17-07 03:48 PM   #130 
                                - I think you have revised your point a little bit.  crispini   Jan-17-07 03:45 PM   #127 
                                   - Well, sorry, I just suck at writing.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:49 PM   #132 
                                      - Oh, come on.  crispini   Jan-17-07 04:11 PM   #140 
                                         - None of that is true. but thanks for the accusation, that fosters discussion.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 04:12 PM   #142 
                                            - See, there you go again, ignoring my point.  crispini   Jan-17-07 04:20 PM   #146 
                 - WOW!!!  Karenina   Jan-17-07 04:17 PM   #145 
  - You're not paying attention.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-17-07 03:50 PM   #133 
  - Exactly.  mongo   Jan-17-07 09:33 PM   #173 
  - Wow this sounds just like Michael Savages claims  walldude   Jan-17-07 02:33 PM   #74 
  - I think the second article makes some interesting points, though I'm not sure how it relates  fishwax   Jan-17-07 02:35 PM   #76 
  - Its because slavery is no longer the issue, prejudice and intolerance are.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:41 PM   #80 
     - So then I take it you are willing to let George Bush  walldude   Jan-17-07 02:47 PM   #89 
     - Of course not, are you crazy?  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:48 PM   #90 
        - It's your strawman I used, that bother you a little?  walldude   Jan-17-07 02:55 PM   #99 
           - Bush is alive and can be held accountable.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:57 PM   #104 
              - So as long as the person who kept your ancestors  walldude   Jan-17-07 03:07 PM   #112 
                 - The resolution in VA does.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:11 PM   #115 
                    - The resolution in Va, Donald McEachin, D-Henrico County.  walldude   Jan-17-07 03:29 PM   #121 
     - they didn't emerge in a vacuum  fishwax   Jan-17-07 05:20 PM   #158 
  - So have you actually read Sojourner Truth?  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-17-07 02:42 PM   #83 
  - Congratulations!  DrunkenMaster   Jan-17-07 02:49 PM   #91 
  - Its not even remotely racist in the slightest.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:50 PM   #93 
     - bullshite  DrunkenMaster   Jan-17-07 02:53 PM   #96 
        - So, to you, talking about blacks in any way is racist? Hmm, sounds racist to me.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:54 PM   #98 
           - what a stupid response  DrunkenMaster   Jan-17-07 03:00 PM   #105 
              - No, it doesnt!! OMFG! Read everything!  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:02 PM   #109 
  - Buuuullllshit! History is not static, it's a continuum.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-17-07 02:52 PM   #95 
  - LMAO.. "History From A Self-Help" book  walldude   Jan-17-07 02:56 PM   #103 
  - 'Victim mentality' = code for GET OVER IT! nt  Bluebear   Jan-17-07 02:55 PM   #100 
  - No its not, I actually said "Get over it" when I meant "Get over it"  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 02:56 PM   #101 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-07 03:01 PM   #108 
  - Can you provide actual examples of this so-called "entitlement" that the issue of slavery engenders?  impeachdubya   Jan-17-07 03:28 PM   #119 
  - wait a sec... aren't you the one who says that Japan doesn't owe us an apology for Pearl Harbor?  NorthernSpy   Jan-17-07 03:45 PM   #126 
  - They dont.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 03:47 PM   #129 
     - Oh, gawd! You really don't understand the difference between a state and an individual person?  NorthernSpy   Jan-17-07 04:22 PM   #147 
        - (... and by "undying" or "immortal", I mean *highly persistent*...)  NorthernSpy   Jan-17-07 04:33 PM   #149 
        - Very well said.  crispini   Jan-17-07 04:34 PM   #151 
        - So, you're saying that entities never change?  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 04:51 PM   #156 
  - I suspect that you, sir, have at least one thing in common with George Bush.  crispini   Jan-17-07 03:48 PM   #131 
  - Interesting opinion.  Rex   Jan-17-07 03:50 PM   #134 
  - But slavery still does affect us today  DireStrike   Jan-17-07 04:07 PM   #138 
  - I never said they werent related. I don't know where you get that from.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 04:09 PM   #139 
     - Just a little jump in here: maybe the poster got the idea from your post  blonndee   Jan-17-07 04:12 PM   #141 
     - Doesn't say it there, either.  rpgamerd00d   Jan-17-07 04:13 PM   #143 
        - Or here, maybe.  blonndee   Jan-17-07 04:15 PM   #144 
     - Cause and effect  kwassa   Jan-17-07 06:59 PM   #170 
  - You should have posted this thread in the African American forum.  cat_girl25   Jan-17-07 04:34 PM   #150 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-07 04:39 PM   #153 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-07 04:44 PM   #154 
     - Dim bulb? Morons who don't get it?  walldude   Jan-17-07 05:18 PM   #157 
  - Please don't give him any ideas  Karenina   Jan-17-07 05:52 PM   #166 
  - even worse  Madspirit   Jan-17-07 04:36 PM   #152 
  - There are MANY forms of discrimination  Perragrande   Jan-17-07 06:59 PM   #171 
  - Yep  BoneDaddy   Jan-17-07 05:46 PM   #163 
  - Yes it does..  walldude   Jan-17-07 06:42 PM   #168 
     - I include them as  BoneDaddy   Jan-17-07 09:04 PM   #172 
  - Tangential yet relevant  Book Lover   Jan-17-07 06:47 PM   #169 
     - here's an interesting one  iverglas   Jan-18-07 02:37 PM   #174 

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