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148. Would you consider the theory of gravity to be a mythology?
I do recognize that there are some post modernist philosophers who believe that everything is a mythology (meaning a lattice work of signs and symbols) that give life meaning and that there is no objective truth.

Is science a mythology to you?
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  -Liberal educated non-fundies accept evolution; conservative uneducated fundies don't DinoBoy  Jan-14-07 10:05 AM   #0 
  - In other news...  deadmessengers   Jan-14-07 10:19 AM   #1 
  - Hah!  sakabatou   Jan-14-07 10:15 PM   #120 
  - Fearful people need to define God in order to feel safe.  patrice   Jan-14-07 10:37 AM   #2 
  - Your short post says a lot!  quantessd   Jan-14-07 10:28 PM   #123 
  - What I find interesting is the middle ground: fundie liberals, for example.  SmokingJacket   Jan-14-07 10:42 AM   #3 
  - And yet we still have people using the word "fundie" to describe people who take our positions. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jan-16-07 11:23 AM   #156 
  - So, how do we explain Bush? He has a Master's degree!  young_at_heart   Jan-14-07 10:56 AM   #4 
  - I'll bet he does secretly believe in evolution but won't say so  DuaneBidoux   Jan-15-07 05:04 PM   #147 
  - So 14% of Grad School non-fundies don't believe in evolution?  mainegreen   Jan-14-07 10:56 AM   #5 
  - I was caught by that too  Reterr   Jan-14-07 12:39 PM   #8 
  - And, of course, believe in the theory of gravity...  krispos42   Jan-14-07 02:11 PM   #18 
  - you mean "intelligent falling"  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:40 PM   #40 
     - rotflmfwao!  krispos42   Jan-14-07 02:54 PM   #43 
  - Aye that's a major flaw in our language  Conan_The_Barbarian   Jan-14-07 03:56 PM   #86 
  - "Believe" is only taken to mean "faith-based" by a small section of the populace.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-14-07 05:06 PM   #92 
  - Evolution is fact, Darwinism is theory  Hippo_Tron   Jan-14-07 10:08 PM   #118 
  - Keep in mind: they still count low-objective-test-scoring fields such as education and journalism...  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 12:48 PM   #11 
  - And we all know how stupid teachers are  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 02:02 PM   #14 
  - Yup.  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 02:19 PM   #24 
  - that link has no statics or anything quantifiable to support your hypothesis  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 03:04 PM   #49 
  - That 'claim' has been going around since before you were born  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 03:10 PM   #53 
  - yup  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 03:19 PM   #59 
  - There are also bad doctors, bad lawyers, bad politicians,  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 03:22 PM   #61 
  - Oh. When was I born?  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 03:42 PM   #69 
     - Yesterday, apparently, since you don't even know your source is a RIGHTWING LIAR.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:45 PM   #73 
     - lol - thanks for that piece of info. Thankfully the straight gre numbers can't lie.  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 03:48 PM   #78 
        - No, see, your argument has been defeated.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:50 PM   #81 
        - what numbers?  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 03:51 PM   #82 
           - Sorry - was watching the football game. Ok, I whipped this up from ETS...  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 08:01 PM   #108 
     - she wasn't talking to you. n/t  ulysses   Jan-14-07 03:46 PM   #76 
     - Actually I wasn't talking to you  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 08:12 PM   #112 
  - LOL!!! You don't like 1 link = game over. Must be a teacher.  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 03:41 PM   #68 
     - Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 03:44 PM   #71 
     - Not only that, the source is highly dubious.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:47 PM   #77 
        - just saw that. LOL.  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 03:48 PM   #79 
     - Your one link is to a LYING RIGHTWINGER, game over.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:46 PM   #75 
  - Why are you buying lies from a rightwinger?  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:44 PM   #70 
  - I'm going out on a limb here....  quantessd   Jan-14-07 11:21 PM   #124 
     - And now I feel like I'm a huge failure.  quantessd   Jan-15-07 12:51 AM   #128 
  - but aren't you glad to see the support  ulysses   Jan-14-07 02:21 PM   #28 
  - And again with this "Teachers have low SAT / GRE scores crap"  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 02:59 PM   #44 
     - besides which, I figure I'm bright enough to have figured out  ulysses   Jan-14-07 03:04 PM   #47 
     - Have a look at the ETS' numbers? (Just saw this thread pop back up)  BlooInBloo   Jan-15-07 12:03 PM   #142 
     - Teachers don't have to grad school  Tyrone Slothrop   Jan-15-07 01:06 PM   #145 
  - I'm writing this title and the first paragraph with an open mind, then I'll google.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-14-07 06:34 PM   #96 
     - so, what's your take on the claim that  ulysses   Jan-14-07 06:56 PM   #99 
     - I doubt the first; the second needs more qualification but has some truth to it.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-15-07 06:17 AM   #140 
        - (a) thus the conceptual interest in the bet I made (with myself, as it were)...  BlooInBloo   Jan-16-07 06:54 PM   #174 
           - "X are more Y than Z" without qualifiers means "All X are more Y than any Z".  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-16-07 07:32 PM   #177 
              - "false"'/"invalid" isn't the same as "elliptical"/"enthymematic".  BlooInBloo   Jan-17-07 08:31 AM   #179 
     - "That doctorates of Education have lower standards that PhDs."  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 07:45 PM   #102 
     - No.  JohnLocke   Jan-14-07 07:58 PM   #107 
        - PhDs in Education are PhDs  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 08:08 PM   #111 
        - i have seen  Perragrande   Jan-15-07 02:55 AM   #134 
     - Here's the ETS' numbers, if you find that helpful...  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 08:03 PM   #109 
  - excuse me, I will be going into education to TEACH biology  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:18 PM   #22 
  - (shrug) Noted.  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 02:20 PM   #25 
     - Have you been here long enough to notice  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 03:15 PM   #56 
        - bib didn't start honestly; the link is from a rightwing author.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:48 PM   #80 
           - High Five!!  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 07:51 PM   #105 
           - lol! error = lie only to education majors. And an admitted error....  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 08:04 PM   #110 
              - You lied about the GRE significance, as p2bl busted you on.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 08:38 PM   #114 
              - Oops - replied in wrong sub-branch....  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 08:43 PM   #116 
              - I lied about nothing. You're welcome to continue repeating it though...  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 08:40 PM   #115 
                 - Pelosi isn't 3rd in line for the Presidency?  Hippo_Tron   Jan-14-07 10:12 PM   #119 
                    - Note to self: Don't ever overestimate people.  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 10:22 PM   #121 
                    - See post #125 you'll find I've replied to you in the 3rd person  Hippo_Tron   Jan-15-07 02:58 AM   #135 
                    - Second...if you want to be anal about it. I'm sure you know that it goes  MJDuncan1982   Jan-14-07 11:40 PM   #125 
                       - lol! Now the difference between 2nd and 3rd in line for the POTUS is being "anal"....  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 11:59 PM   #126 
                       - First off, I was not mistaken. Second, you know that s/he knows what  MJDuncan1982   Jan-15-07 12:05 AM   #127 
                          - (shrug) You're the one who said it was "anal".  BlooInBloo   Jan-15-07 12:56 AM   #129 
                             - Wow -you are really not very bright  Reterr   Jan-15-07 01:22 AM   #130 
                       - I was going to say second, but I didn't want to argue with his premise  Hippo_Tron   Jan-15-07 02:54 AM   #133 
  - let us know how the bet turns out.  ulysses   Jan-14-07 02:22 PM   #29 
  - LOL!!  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:23 PM   #31 
  - just for fun, maybe I should pull something out of *my* ass and offer  ulysses   Jan-14-07 02:33 PM   #37 
  - I will - I just don't know offhand how to easily settle it.... Don't matter tho.....  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 02:27 PM   #34 
     - you're a real treat  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:32 PM   #36 
     - I don't just the dumb ones, and those who don't want smarter ones.  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 02:50 PM   #41 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-14-07 03:08 PM   #51 
           - (shrug) Blame the football game :)  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 03:39 PM   #65 
     - oh, ok.  ulysses   Jan-14-07 02:36 PM   #38 
     - I'll take your word for it.  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 02:50 PM   #42 
        - no need for that.  ulysses   Jan-14-07 03:02 PM   #46 
        - you *are* going to do this, aren't you?  ulysses   Jan-14-07 03:51 PM   #83 
        - Good God man  Reterr   Jan-14-07 05:22 PM   #93 
           - And using lying rightwing nutjobs as "proof" is pretty, well, stupid!  Zhade   Jan-14-07 06:39 PM   #98 
           - Yup  Reterr   Jan-14-07 08:20 PM   #113 
           - Bwwwwaaaaahhhhh !!!!!!!!  Kerrytravelers   Jan-14-07 10:24 PM   #122 
           - Yup  nam78_two   Jan-15-07 01:29 AM   #131 
     - Do you have anything to back up your opinion?  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:09 PM   #52 
     - Nope. Just the truth about gre scores. Well, and a jillion google links.  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 03:40 PM   #66 
        - LOL!  ulysses   Jan-14-07 03:44 PM   #72 
        - Um, no, your 'GRE truth' was debunked as a lie upthread.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:52 PM   #84 
        - I am fascinated by you  Reterr   Jan-15-07 01:41 AM   #132 
     - And your degree would be in what field?  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 03:20 PM   #60 
        - Which one? lol - doesn't matter - none of the three are in education - that's enough...  BlooInBloo   Jan-14-07 03:40 PM   #67 
           - It might be, once you actually present some credible evidence.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:55 PM   #85 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-14-07 05:04 PM   #91 
           - I kinda figured none were in education  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 07:49 PM   #103 
           - Let me guess...  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-16-07 04:47 PM   #162 
  - I'm an education grad from an evangelical college.  knitter4democracy   Jan-14-07 05:53 PM   #95 
  - Self-delete. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jan-16-07 11:18 AM   #155 
  - I know a guy with a degree in Biology who doesn't believe in evolution.  Marr   Jan-14-07 03:33 PM   #64 
  - Fundamentalist vs. Not  quantessd   Jan-14-07 11:12 AM   #6 
  - Here is the ScienceBlogs link  DinoBoy   Jan-14-07 02:17 PM   #21 
  - A/As can't be included, as this graph plots the religious, not those lacking religion.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:10 PM   #54 
  - How did they define fundamentalist?  knitter4democracy   Jan-14-07 12:34 PM   #7 
  - Non-fundie "moderates" significantly dumber than their liberal counterparts.nt  Reterr   Jan-14-07 12:41 PM   #9 
  - That's because today's 'moderate' is yesterday's conservative.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:12 PM   #55 
  - a friend and i, and our kids went thru a museum at our university.  seabeyond   Jan-14-07 12:44 PM   #10 
  - Oh, well that explains EVERYTHING then...(refers to bold text below)  badgerpup   Jan-14-07 01:32 PM   #12 
  - living in california i didnt come up against the fundamentalist. catholics, yes  seabeyond   Jan-14-07 02:04 PM   #16 
  - that's tragic  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:25 PM   #33 
  - "science isn't factual"?  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 01:56 PM   #13 
  - damn, that hurt to read  seabeyond   Jan-14-07 02:02 PM   #15 
     - well, my SO's entire family & friends don't believe in evolution...  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:15 PM   #19 
        - it is the fundamentalist, i agree. and the answer, i told you.... science is theory  seabeyond   Jan-14-07 02:18 PM   #23 
           - but by definition the tree rings are factual...  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:21 PM   #27 
              - that is why when i said what i did to friend, knowing it was there and we  seabeyond   Jan-14-07 02:30 PM   #35 
                 - smart IS a good thing-- good for you!  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:39 PM   #39 
  - Good move. Laughing at people who believe insane shit is necessary.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:57 PM   #87 
     - IMHO, I disagree. It's not necessary to laugh at people, unless they're fair game,  pinto   Jan-14-07 05:35 PM   #94 
        - If they vote, I disagree - then they're trying to inflict their insanity on everyone.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 06:37 PM   #97 
        - we are good friends. i told you she is smart. i laughed because it was funny  seabeyond   Jan-14-07 07:39 PM   #100 
  - Only 57% of conservatives in grad school believe in evolution?  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 02:04 PM   #17 
  - welcome to America  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:16 PM   #20 
  - An that's not just "conservatives," it's non-fundy conservatives  DinoBoy   Jan-14-07 02:21 PM   #26 
  - And only 86% of liberals in grad school believe in evolution  JustABozoOnThisBus   Jan-14-07 02:22 PM   #30 
  - DU has a lot of sympathetic psuedoscience nuts  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 02:24 PM   #32 
  - Yeah, I'm ignorant of "ID" and "new-wave shit"  JustABozoOnThisBus   Jan-14-07 03:07 PM   #50 
     - I'll try...  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 03:17 PM   #57 
  - I am beginning to wonder about this poll  proud2Blib   Jan-14-07 03:01 PM   #45 
     - Here's the link:  impeachdubya   Jan-14-07 07:45 PM   #101 
  - I'm in college and I could get by without a biology class if I wanted to  Hippo_Tron   Jan-14-07 10:05 PM   #117 
  - The damages of magical thinking, plotted out for all to see.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 03:04 PM   #48 
  - Interesting graph  Patchuli   Jan-14-07 03:18 PM   #58 
  - You would be on the non-fundy side  DinoBoy   Jan-14-07 07:51 PM   #104 
  - why get hung up  nathan hale   Jan-14-07 03:27 PM   #62 
  - science isn't mythology  WindRavenX   Jan-14-07 03:33 PM   #63 
  - Can you imagine a fundie making the same statement?  nathan hale   Jan-15-07 03:48 AM   #137 
  - I don't even know where to start with this post.  impeachdubya   Jan-14-07 03:45 PM   #74 
  - Holy Mackerel!  nathan hale   Jan-15-07 03:53 AM   #138 
     - The point is, trying to argue that science backed up by physical evidence is an equivalent "myth"  impeachdubya   Jan-15-07 11:59 AM   #141 
  - This is science versus mythlogy, not a war between equals.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 05:00 PM   #89 
  - So, then...  nathan hale   Jan-15-07 03:57 AM   #139 
     - You don't have to be an expert in Quantum Mechanics to know that evolution is a FACT.  impeachdubya   Jan-15-07 12:05 PM   #143 
        - There. See?  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 05:15 PM   #168 
           - Yes, but you don't get to the places where science is weird  impeachdubya   Jan-16-07 05:38 PM   #170 
              - Ok...  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 05:58 PM   #173 
                 - There's a few things going on here.  impeachdubya   Jan-16-07 07:01 PM   #175 
                    - Here's the simple truth:  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 07:24 PM   #176 
                       - I'd disagree with a few things there.  impeachdubya   Jan-16-07 08:55 PM   #178 
  - How very ignorant n/t  Kelly Rupert   Jan-14-07 07:53 PM   #106 
     - excuse me???  nathan hale   Jan-15-07 03:45 AM   #136 
        - "All I did was ask a question" No, you called evolution an equivalent mythology to creationism  impeachdubya   Jan-15-07 12:35 PM   #144 
        - It's your fucking arrogance in having  nathan hale   Jan-15-07 04:58 PM   #146 
           - Would you consider the theory of gravity to be a mythology?  DuaneBidoux   Jan-15-07 05:09 PM   #148 
           - In no way is this about what I believe or don't believe  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 05:00 AM   #151 
              - Postmodernist solipsistic crap sucks.  Odin2005   Jan-16-07 11:10 AM   #152 
              - So does nihilistic shallow dismissal.  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 04:53 PM   #163 
                 - Dismissal of the shallow is not in and of itself shallow n/t  Kelly Rupert   Jan-16-07 04:56 PM   #165 
                    - Kelly,  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 05:46 PM   #172 
              - Believe it or not, I really wasn\'t trying to be snide when...  DuaneBidoux   Jan-16-07 01:34 PM   #157 
              - You know?  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 05:00 PM   #166 
                 - I am a progressive because as Colbert states "reality has a well known liberal bias."  DuaneBidoux   Jan-16-07 05:46 PM   #171 
              - No scientist asserts absolute truth.  Kelly Rupert   Jan-16-07 04:20 PM   #160 
           - I don't think I have a hammerlock on "truth". I *DO* think it's idiotic to assert  impeachdubya   Jan-15-07 07:11 PM   #149 
           - it is for certain, earth is not 6000 yrs old. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-16-07 11:15 AM   #153 
           - While I hate to break this to you, philosophy is worthless.  Kelly Rupert   Jan-16-07 04:15 PM   #159 
              - If you are attempting to persuade  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 04:41 PM   #161 
                 - I can tell by the reactions you have received  Kelly Rupert   Jan-16-07 04:54 PM   #164 
                    - What, exactly, am I trying to persuade you of  nathan hale   Jan-16-07 05:07 PM   #167 
        - Your question reveals a fundamental poverty of knowledge,  Kelly Rupert   Jan-16-07 04:04 PM   #158 
  - I just read a section from George Carlin's newest book  Oregonian   Jan-14-07 03:59 PM   #88 
  - Hell, UFOs exist.  Zhade   Jan-14-07 05:03 PM   #90 
     - UFOs exist on the same plane as strangers exist...  Solon   Jan-15-07 08:20 PM   #150 
  - Twice as many conservitive fundamentalists believe in evolution if they have gone to grad school  jsamuel   Jan-16-07 11:17 AM   #154 
     - I count myself in this group.  eagler   Jan-16-07 05:18 PM   #169 
 

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