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80. Not only is this standard practice in the USA
But It was first brought into Law near the very beginning of the republic.

The Sedition Act

In general, sedition means inciting others to resist or rebel against lawful authority. In England, "seditious libel" prohibited virtually any criticism of the king or his officials. English common law held that any spoken or written words that found fault with the king's government undermined the respect of the people for his authority.

The U.S. Sedition Act first outlawed conspiracies "to oppose any measure or measures of the government." Going further, the act made it illegal for anyone to express "any false, scandalous and malicious writing" against Congress or the president. Significantly, the act did not specifically protect the vice-president who, of course, was Jefferson. Additional language punished any spoken or published words that had "bad intent" to "defame" the government or to cause the "hatred" of the people toward it.These definitions of sedition were more specific than those found in English common law. Even so, they were still broad enough to punish anyone who criticized the federal government, its laws, or its elected leaders.

Unlike English common law, the Sedition Act allowed "the truth of the matter" to be a defense. The act also left it to the jury to decide if a defendant had "bad intent." Penalties for different provisions of the law ranged from six months to five years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000 (more than $100,000 in today's dollars).

The Republican minority in Congress argued that sedition laws violated the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which protects freedom of speech and the press. The Federalists countered by defining these freedoms in the narrow English manner. According to English law, freedom of speech and the press only applied before the expression of ideas. The government could not censor or stop someone from expressing ideas. But after the words had been spoken or printed, the government could punish people if they had maliciously defamed the king or his government.The Federalist majority in Congress passed the Sedition Act and President Adams signed it into law on July 14, 1798. It was set to expire on March 3, 1801, the last day of the first and--as it turned out--only presidential term of John Adams

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     - Here's something Greg Wilpert has says about similar allegations:  1932   Feb-04-06 10:38 AM   #132 
  - Not only is this standard practice in the USA  slaveplanet   Feb-03-06 02:28 PM   #80 
  - Thanks. I was going to post these as well.  Guitarman   Feb-03-06 02:51 PM   #84 
     - Obviously, you have ignored the majority of the content on this thread  JohnnyCougar   Feb-03-06 03:40 PM   #93 
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  - your assumption is rash, intended or not, no is saying what you imply, for  sam sarrha   Feb-03-06 09:36 AM   #47 
  - supressing speech, possible election fraud, theft of money  seabeyond   Feb-03-06 09:44 AM   #48 
     - no one was saying it a Utopia, they are saying the propaganda is just like  sam sarrha   Feb-03-06 10:26 AM   #57 
        - because i am not fighting this particular battle, my concerns may  seabeyond   Feb-03-06 10:44 AM   #61 
        - you know, what i guess i am saying. you guys have already won  seabeyond   Feb-03-06 10:53 AM   #62 
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  - but this is what i am saying rucky and i have no desire to play  seabeyond   Feb-03-06 09:58 AM   #50 
     - but you ARE playing  rucky   Feb-03-06 10:18 AM   #53 
     - lying to the boss isnt going to work either. actually i have hands down  seabeyond   Feb-03-06 10:21 AM   #55 
        - fair enough n/t  rucky   Feb-03-06 10:30 AM   #59 
     - seabeyond, I hope you're not missing the point about how the,...  Just Me   Feb-03-06 10:23 AM   #56 
        - and just me...... that is what you say. that is your argument  seabeyond   Feb-03-06 10:28 AM   #58 
  - I agree with you  Quixote1818   Feb-03-06 12:33 PM   #66 
  - The fact that it's not an utopia does not mean Chavez is a dictator  rman   Feb-04-06 06:41 AM   #124 
     - you keep merging us in rw. we arent. we keep saying it  seabeyond   Feb-04-06 12:07 PM   #136 
        - fine, but what's the big deal with not creating an utopia?  rman   Feb-04-06 02:25 PM   #139 
           - the problem with creating a utopia is, it cannot be done.  seabeyond   Feb-04-06 06:04 PM   #149 
              - I'm going to have to take serious issue with this  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 06:28 PM   #150 
              - i am only starting the research. to begin  seabeyond   Feb-04-06 07:55 PM   #153 
              - havent even talked about land grabs. what is the story on this  seabeyond   Feb-04-06 08:02 PM   #155 
                 - Since Venezuela has to import about 80% of it's food...  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 08:15 PM   #156 
                    - i understand what he is doing  seabeyond   Feb-04-06 08:19 PM   #157 
                    - That's fine.  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 08:37 PM   #159 
                       - cool. certainly opened my eyes  seabeyond   Feb-04-06 08:41 PM   #161 
                    - just a blase attitude, i find things happening here that we yell about  seabeyond   Feb-04-06 08:38 PM   #160 
              - so, NOT creating utopia is NOT a problem  rman   Feb-05-06 07:28 AM   #165 
                 - it isnt an argument against chavez. it is an argument against  seabeyond   Feb-05-06 09:23 AM   #166 
                    - I don't think many here think Chavez is creating utopia,  rman   Feb-05-06 09:46 AM   #167 
                       - htis is where i disagree with you. on about all your points  seabeyond   Feb-05-06 10:04 AM   #168 
                          - if not debunked, then how come you don't claim Chavez is a dictator?  rman   Feb-05-06 10:06 AM   #169 
                             - i was never arguing chavez was a dictator. ever. further a number of  seabeyond   Feb-05-06 10:12 AM   #171 
                                - The accusations do warrent the label of dictator, unless  rman   Feb-05-06 10:20 AM   #172 
                                   - he has done a lot of things bush and the u.s. has done  seabeyond   Feb-05-06 10:32 AM   #174 
                                   - see rman  seabeyond   Feb-05-06 10:42 AM   #176 
  - Domestic spying is rampant, FISA court not used...WHY is that? Freedom!  Sparkman   Feb-03-06 09:22 AM   #42 
  - Thanks for posting this.  Gregorian   Feb-03-06 09:26 AM   #44 
  - Way to go! Thank you for this info. n/t  greyhound1966   Feb-03-06 10:05 AM   #51 
  - k,r and bookmarking  StaggerLee   Feb-03-06 10:13 AM   #52 
  - I love Chavez and what he is doing  Dragonbreathp9d   Feb-03-06 10:19 AM   #54 
  - Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!  emmajane67   Feb-03-06 10:43 AM   #60 
  - somebody posted a HRW page re Venez. in a Cindy/Chavez thread  confludemocrat   Feb-03-06 10:55 AM   #63 
  - READ JOHN PERKINS- confessions of an economic hitman.  mopinko   Feb-03-06 12:21 PM   #65 
  - Thank You! Obviously, we need a Hugo Chavez of our own here in the states  TheGoldenRule   Feb-03-06 12:35 PM   #67 
  - If i was to leave the US  donheld   Feb-03-06 12:43 PM   #68 
  - Of course Chavez isn't perfect, but it's annoying and suspicious that  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-03-06 01:26 PM   #71 
  - right , these people that are working for bush and his pipeline  seabeyond   Feb-03-06 01:35 PM   #73 
  - "Of course Dubya isn't perfect, but it's annoying and suspicious that`  LittleClarkie   Feb-03-06 01:36 PM   #74 
     - There are so many imperfect leaders in the world, and knowing what  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-03-06 02:20 PM   #79 
     - Fair enough, but neither will I support him 100% and shout  LittleClarkie   Feb-03-06 02:47 PM   #83 
     - It's trivial to show that Bush is 'the devil incarnated' so to speak.  rman   Feb-05-06 10:10 AM   #170 
  - While you're at it, tackle these as well  LittleClarkie   Feb-03-06 01:31 PM   #72 
  - Those are pretty much the same ones I already tackled.  JohnnyCougar   Feb-03-06 01:50 PM   #76 
     - How about the allegations of the abuse and torture of detained protestors  LittleClarkie   Feb-03-06 02:00 PM   #77 
        - If people are going to use free speech to inspire car bombings and riots  JohnnyCougar   Feb-03-06 02:39 PM   #82 
        - Venezuelan police forces have been bad for decades (and are no doubt  1932   Feb-04-06 10:54 AM   #134 
        - Try arguing against the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE HERE IN THE US  Selatius   Feb-04-06 05:31 PM   #146 
  - Thank you so much for this post!  samhsarah   Feb-03-06 01:42 PM   #75 
  - Excellent post! K&R  ShadesOfGrey   Feb-03-06 02:12 PM   #78 
  - The US has a long and disgusting history of this kind of propaganda  killbotfactory   Feb-03-06 03:00 PM   #85 
  - Thanks so much for posting this!!!  Nutmegger   Feb-03-06 03:14 PM   #89 
  - Thank you for this so much. I've heard criticism of him even on  mirandapriestly   Feb-03-06 03:18 PM   #90 
  - K&R! Thank you  arikara   Feb-03-06 03:37 PM   #92 
  - The only weapon you have against being made a fool by propaganda  Judi Lynn   Feb-03-06 03:46 PM   #94 
  - Thank you for the information.  Bridget Burke   Feb-03-06 03:53 PM   #95 
  - BBC on the Venezuelan media law  killbotfactory   Feb-03-06 04:16 PM   #96 
  - Unforgiveable! We gotta git down there and act ridiculous! n/t  Judi Lynn   Feb-03-06 04:18 PM   #97 
  - NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! MONSTERS!!!!.  Guy Whitey Corngood   Feb-03-06 04:20 PM   #98 
  - We could use a law here "Democratizing Access to the Airways.  bvar22   Feb-03-06 08:49 PM   #110 
  - Venezuela Rejects 'Terrorist' TV Allegations by US Congressman.  Guy Whitey Corngood   Feb-03-06 04:22 PM   #99 
  - A little bit of history goes a long way.  Luminous Animal   Feb-03-06 04:36 PM   #100 
  - Well Said! I nominate your post!  bvar22   Feb-03-06 08:54 PM   #113 
  - Kick.  JohnnyCougar   Feb-03-06 05:03 PM   #101 
  - Chavez is a threat to  happydreams   Feb-03-06 05:12 PM   #103 
  - watch what you say!  Gabi Hayes   Feb-03-06 05:17 PM   #104 
  - discussing Rumsfeld's Hitler/Chavez comment  Gabi Hayes   Feb-03-06 05:24 PM   #105 
  - .  Wilms   Feb-03-06 07:10 PM   #106 
  - K & R & Bookmarked - Excellent post  radio4progressives   Feb-03-06 07:25 PM   #107 
  - Packing the courts with cronies? Can you imagine?  hvn_nbr_2   Feb-03-06 08:07 PM   #108 
  - The coup attempt really bothers me  orangepeel68   Feb-03-06 08:14 PM   #109 
  - Remember the "Sons of Liberty" and the American Revolution.  bvar22   Feb-03-06 08:51 PM   #112 
  - well, if King George were going to get impeached next year anyway  orangepeel68   Feb-03-06 09:35 PM   #116 
  - Not all military coups are alike  rman   Feb-04-06 06:57 AM   #125 
     - thanks for the reply  orangepeel68   Feb-04-06 10:57 AM   #135 
        - "democratic processes seemed to be working okay without a coup"  rman   Feb-04-06 02:31 PM   #140 
           - why wait to have a coup?  orangepeel68   Feb-04-06 07:24 PM   #151 
              - I won't condone Chavez's earlier attempt  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 07:51 PM   #152 
                 - maybe so  orangepeel68   Feb-04-06 08:22 PM   #158 
  - Please cull the goodies and put them in the Research section.  eridani   Feb-03-06 08:50 PM   #111 
  - What about his cracking down on leftist anarchist groups  toddaa   Feb-03-06 09:01 PM   #114 
  - sources?  rman   Feb-04-06 07:22 AM   #126 
  - Good, I'm not too late to recommend this excellent thread.  oblivious   Feb-03-06 09:03 PM   #115 
  - Kick!  JohnnyCougar   Feb-03-06 10:50 PM   #117 
  - K & R Awesome post Johnny.  Jamison   Feb-03-06 11:03 PM   #118 
  - Kick!  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 12:38 AM   #119 
  - Thank you very much for taking the time to set the record  American liberal   Feb-04-06 01:07 AM   #121 
  - kick  Wilms   Feb-04-06 02:23 AM   #122 
  - Kick!  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 09:44 AM   #127 
  - "Court Packing" is allowed by the new constitution Venezuela passed  1932   Feb-04-06 10:15 AM   #128 
  - Thank you!  manic expression   Feb-04-06 10:50 AM   #133 
  - sigh...this posts depresses me to no end  digno dave   Feb-04-06 12:47 PM   #137 
  - He sounds like * to me  cherokeeprogressive   Feb-04-06 12:59 PM   #138 
  - HRW documented numerous human rights violations in other countries as well  rman   Feb-04-06 02:38 PM   #141 
  - I read this. Have you looked at the "human rights violations?"  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 03:27 PM   #143 
  - Can I get specific? Take your pick...  cherokeeprogressive   Feb-04-06 03:38 PM   #144 
     - I already went through all that.  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 04:06 PM   #145 
     - In LESS THAN 30 SECONDS! I picked up a bogus link on that website!  Selatius   Feb-04-06 05:40 PM   #148 
        - To argue that it's a human rights violation to prosecute agents of foreign  1932   Feb-05-06 10:30 AM   #173 
           - Exactly.  ronnie624   Feb-05-06 12:24 PM   #177 
  - i see lots of similarities, in a lot of ways  seabeyond   Feb-04-06 07:57 PM   #154 
  - Kick!  JohnnyCougar   Feb-04-06 05:32 PM   #147 
  - Kick!!!  Nutmegger   Feb-04-06 10:18 PM   #162 
     - Kick!  JohnnyCougar   Feb-05-06 04:15 AM   #163 
  - Zapatistas too! Viva las Zapatistas Y Cavez-dudes (Chavezistas?)  upi402   Feb-05-06 04:29 AM   #164 
  - Time for another kick.  JohnnyCougar   Feb-05-06 11:29 PM   #178 
  - Chavez is not a saint, but what world leader is?  Bru   Feb-06-06 02:24 AM   #179 
  - kick  confludemocrat   Feb-06-06 10:26 AM   #180 
  - Kick to add link to this video.  JohnnyCougar   Feb-06-06 09:18 PM   #181 
  - Kick.  JohnnyCougar   Feb-07-06 05:49 PM   #182 

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