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Gonna stick my head in the lion's mouth and offer a few thoughts.
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Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 02:43 PM by WilliamPitt
I've been surfing DU since yesterday, specifically in GD, noting the escalating tension and near-frenzy regarding Bush, his speech, Iraq, Iran and Syria. At the same time, I've been reading pretty much every major American newspaper's coverage of the speech, the fallout, the Iran stuff, the "surge," the Capitol Hill hearings, etc.

Here are some thoughts.

1. Any attack on Iran or Syria is farfetched, has been for months, and will remain so for the forseeable future. Why? Because we don't have the troops to repel the inevitable counterattack in Iraq, because an air war will be useless, and because the missile batteries staring down from the Iranian mountains along the Persian Gulf will erase our carrier fleet scant minutes after our first bomb is dropped. "But they're crazy!" is the inevitable response to this, which brings me to...

2. What we are seeing, for the first time, is the complete repudiation of Bush, his people and his whole program across virtually the entire political and media spectrum. There is no support for what they have already done, no support for what they want to do in Iraq, and no support for anything further, not even from the mouthpieces that helped us all into this mess. So what? Well, think about it. How many actions have these guys taken without cover? I think of very few. Iraq, the NSA wiretapping and the rest of it was done by way of a compliant media, a befuddled populace and a rubber-stamp Congress. None of these exist anymore, which means there is no cover. Which brings me to...

3. The speech itself, the tentative, hesitant, spasmodic tone, the furiouis reaction to it, and the broad-spectrum defections within political and media ranks away from Bush and the GOP. The Bush administration has finally and completely collapsed. Let me repeat that:


Like any bully, they took one shove in the chest and folded like wet paper. They are completely isolated, in total disarray, under attack from all sides and faced - finally - with serious legal and political consequences via Congress not only for what they might do, but for what they have already done. We have Bush, Cheney and a handful of brain-damaged yes-men cowering at 1600 Pennsylvania. They are routed, outmatched and totally checkmated.

I know that many on DU believe these people are the Anti-Christ and capable of anything (and, P.S., abandon the "Hitler = Bush" line, it's bunk, the word you're looking for is "Stalin"). Perhaps this is so, but as I said, cast your mind back: these guys have done NOTHING to date without layers of comforting insulation: a frigtened populace, a lapdog media, and a compliant Congress. As I said, and as you can see, these are gone now.

I may be wrong, and Bush may wind up doing his best Martin-Sheen-in-The-Dead-Zone impression...but I doubt it.


Because he's a bully and a coward, and does nothing without that insulation.

Scary stuff? Sure. We're teetering on an edge not unlike the Cuban Missile Crisis. It could all go sideways. But I feel in my heart that what we are seeing is not the end of things, but a new beginning. The bearings on this bloody machine have been stripped. The engine has frozen. The bully has been exposed.

I believe we will look back on this week as the moment when, finally, the worm turned.

Flame away.
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  -Gonna stick my head in the lion's mouth and offer a few thoughts. WilliamPitt  Jan-12-07 02:41 PM   #0 
  - But I'm terrified of a war in Iran.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-12-07 02:43 PM   #1 
  - So when will a trio of republican senators go to the WH and ask him to resign?  No Exit   Jan-12-07 03:51 PM   #81 
  - Soon, impeachment has entered the organic stage  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-12-07 06:28 PM   #113 
  - Yes! I'm waiting for that scene with bated breath!  puebloknot   Jan-12-07 08:29 PM   #130 
  - Give routine oversight hearings, like the Condi Rice grilling two months  ItsTheMediaStupid   Jan-12-07 10:08 PM   #136 
  - But he still has the signing statements! (n/t)  dragonlady   Jan-13-07 03:19 PM   #192 
  - Yeah, but this time  tavalon   Jan-13-07 12:06 AM   #147 
  - I don't believe that for one second. To me, they're fortifying the castle with more yes-men.  Roland99   Jan-12-07 06:29 PM   #114 
  - I concur. These guys have too much invested to fold up their tents.  Darkhawk32   Jan-14-07 08:15 AM   #219 
  - Binka's son is on his way to Iraq again  Skittles   Jan-13-07 12:01 AM   #145 
     - Oh, no! He is?  Maat   Jan-13-07 12:34 PM   #184 
     - physically he is healed  Skittles   Jan-13-07 08:10 PM   #204 
        - Thanks! (n/t)  Maat   Jan-13-07 10:42 PM   #209 
     - NO!  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-13-07 08:39 PM   #205 
  - i think you're right  Bill McBlueState   Jan-12-07 02:45 PM   #3 
  - I want to believe that. - n/t  porphyrian   Jan-12-07 02:45 PM   #4 
  - I so hope you're right that I'm recommending this.  Phredicles   Jan-12-07 02:45 PM   #5 
  - I really, really hope that you're right.  northernsoul   Jan-12-07 02:46 PM   #6 
  - I suspect it is just a turn of phrase  tavalon   Jan-13-07 12:25 AM   #150 
     - "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom." (eom)  tblue37   Jan-13-07 01:21 AM   #154 
     - Thomas Jefferson  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-13-07 08:47 PM   #206 
     - It doesn't matter who's President  uberllama42   Jan-13-07 09:11 AM   #171 
  - Agree with all points and 1 question, what if US is attacked?  specimenfred1984   Jan-12-07 02:46 PM   #7 
  - If They Weren't Behind the First 9/11, They WILL be behind The Second  Wiley50   Jan-12-07 03:01 PM   #35 
  - There is a large group of people  specimenfred1984   Jan-12-07 03:04 PM   #38 
  - If we are "attacked", I believe it will be a set-up  No Exit   Jan-12-07 03:38 PM   #73 
  - So you believe that * hasn't made it less safe  DerBeppo   Jan-12-07 03:50 PM   #79 
     - Au contraire...  No Exit   Jan-12-07 05:41 PM   #99 
  - what if US is attacked? What like the COLE? Do you think another false flag op will do?  Vincardog   Jan-13-07 02:22 PM   #188 
  - I think you're right. Here's hoping no one has to die in Iran  sfexpat2000   Jan-12-07 02:46 PM   #8 
  - Yeah--not even Iranians!  No Exit   Jan-12-07 03:39 PM   #74 
  - I think you're correct  malaise   Jan-12-07 02:47 PM   #9 
  - I hear ya Will......  canadianbeaver   Jan-12-07 02:47 PM   #10 
  - No flames.  SmokingJacket   Jan-12-07 02:47 PM   #11 
  - Well said,  Jawja   Jan-12-07 02:48 PM   #12 
  - Jawja  CatWoman   Jan-12-07 02:48 PM   #14 
     - Hi, Cat!  Jawja   Jan-12-07 02:50 PM   #17 
        - LOL  CatWoman   Jan-12-07 03:06 PM   #40 
  - I'm inclined to want to believe you are right  madokie   Jan-12-07 02:48 PM   #13 
  - I've read reports that Benjamin Netanyahu is lobbying for a...  Cooley Hurd   Jan-12-07 02:50 PM   #15 
  - You seriously think they'd do that after the Lebanon debacle?  Lilith Velkor   Jan-12-07 03:41 PM   #76 
  - Yes, Terrorist Netanyahu has been on TV pushing this  No Exit   Jan-12-07 03:42 PM   #77 
  - Just as friends don't let friends drive drunk  northernsoul   Jan-12-07 04:15 PM   #84 
     - Absolutely!  No Exit   Jan-12-07 05:37 PM   #98 
        - Wow, No Exit, named my four favorite dems..they're the best  Just-plain-Kathy   Jan-12-07 10:35 PM   #139 
  - Netanyahu might be nuts, just like george  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-12-07 08:40 PM   #132 
  - what if there's a series of events ending with BushCo going nuclear?  Junkdrawer   Jan-12-07 02:50 PM   #16 
  - I disagee  BayCityProgressive   Jan-12-07 02:54 PM   #23 
  - Are you disagreeing with me or Will?  Junkdrawer   Jan-12-07 02:55 PM   #24 
  - Last time a SAC commander was ordered to use atomic weapons.  ieoeja   Jan-12-07 03:50 PM   #80 
  - I hope you're right, Will  spinbaby   Jan-12-07 02:51 PM   #18 
  - Well-said, as usual, Will  lancdem   Jan-12-07 02:51 PM   #19 
  - I can see truth in your words.  Opposite Reaction   Jan-12-07 02:52 PM   #20 
  - K & R  spanone   Jan-12-07 02:52 PM   #21 
  - OK Will, Sanity aside-why will we not attack Iran???  catnhatnh   Jan-12-07 02:52 PM   #22 
  - interrrupted flow of Oil tankers in the Persian Gulf - look at a map  LSK   Jan-12-07 03:08 PM   #44 
  - $200 a barrel oil..oh yeah, Big Oil will HATE that...  Junkdrawer   Jan-12-07 04:15 PM   #83 
     - actually they would...  paulk   Jan-12-07 06:25 PM   #112 
        - Well, I'm afraid we'll get to put that to the test...  Junkdrawer   Jan-12-07 06:33 PM   #115 
  - Has there ever been an instance, Catnhat...  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-12-07 03:11 PM   #50 
     - Bird Flu is an example  Zodiak Ironfist   Jan-13-07 09:34 AM   #175 
  - I'm hoping you are correct.  YDogg   Jan-12-07 02:55 PM   #25 
  - VERY well said!!!!  Hoosier Dem   Jan-12-07 02:55 PM   #26 
  - i still fear lieberman will defect, f-ing up congress, with promises of being mccain's running mate  YDogg   Jan-12-07 02:59 PM   #31 
     - I don't want to lose the Dem majority in the Senate,  tblue37   Jan-13-07 01:30 AM   #155 
        - I agree on both accounts  YDogg   Jan-13-07 09:16 AM   #172 
  - I think you are underestimating what this admin might do.  madinmaryland   Jan-12-07 02:58 PM   #27 
  - They may have collapsed, but  annabanana   Jan-12-07 02:58 PM   #28 
  - You're right-They jumped the shark  Marnieworld   Jan-12-07 02:59 PM   #29 
  - I hope you are right  Annces   Jan-12-07 02:59 PM   #30 
  - No Flame Here  atreides1   Jan-12-07 03:00 PM   #32 
  - Hey will  billybob537   Jan-12-07 03:00 PM   #33 
  - I have never hoped more for you to be correct  proud patriot   Jan-12-07 03:01 PM   # 
  - In the meantime - if y'all are up to it - contact Congress! Info here:  IndyOp   Jan-12-07 03:01 PM   #34 
  - What is the evidence of this "collapse"? Have they been stopped from doing anything recently?  scarletwoman   Jan-12-07 03:02 PM   #36 
  - You are absolutely correct, and the hysteria about Iran on these boards  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-12-07 03:04 PM   #37 
  - Flynt Leverett, former head of NSA's Middle East affairs:  Junkdrawer   Jan-12-07 03:19 PM   #60 
  - thank you.  halobeam   Jan-12-07 03:22 PM   #62 
  - I'll do it for you  Generator   Jan-12-07 08:09 PM   #125 
     - and a special thanks to you!  halobeam   Jan-13-07 12:09 PM   #183 
     - Geez  tavalon   Jan-14-07 06:04 AM   #213 
  - No it is not just a few DUers  Zodiak Ironfist   Jan-13-07 09:37 AM   #176 
  - and another thank you  jpak   Jan-13-07 03:26 PM   #194 
  - You can add Dennis Kucinich and Zbigniew Brzezinski to the comedy line-up  jpak   Jan-12-07 04:33 PM   #90 
  - Kucinich is a clown from way back  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-12-07 05:01 PM   #93 
  - I think people are looking down the barrel of a gun in way they haven't since the Cold War...  Junkdrawer   Jan-12-07 05:49 PM   #103 
  - Kucinich called it on Iraq long before the  DemBones DemBones   Jan-12-07 07:31 PM   #118 
     - Sorry - I agree with Kucinich and Brzezinski  jpak   Jan-13-07 03:23 PM   #193 
  - And add Ted Koppel to the Chicken Little Comedian List...  jpak   Jan-13-07 03:40 PM   #197 
  - I think you go too far in saying he has no support.  DemItAllAnyway   Jan-12-07 03:06 PM   #39 
  - "It can still go sideways"  lapislzi   Jan-12-07 03:26 PM   #67 
  - football analogy...  druidity33   Jan-12-07 05:28 PM   #96 
     - LOL! As The New Yorker would say, "Block That Metaphor!"  DemItAllAnyway   Jan-13-07 04:22 AM   #160 
  - One little disagreement with you. I don't think they will completely  Cleita   Jan-12-07 03:06 PM   #41 
  - they dont need layers of comforting insulation  LSK   Jan-12-07 03:07 PM   #42 
  - I hope with all my heart  cwydro   Jan-12-07 03:07 PM   #43 
  - Bush is running interference for a signed agreement between Exxon, BP, Conoco  graywarrior   Jan-12-07 03:08 PM   # 
  - You make an important point  Emit   Jan-12-07 04:21 PM   #89 
  - I think Dobbs mentioned this tonight  MN ChimpH8R   Jan-12-07 10:23 PM   #137 
  - I think you're right  wryter2000   Jan-12-07 03:08 PM   #45 
  - Bush *IS* Greg Stilson  baldguy   Jan-12-07 03:08 PM   #46 
  - I don't know. I fear that because these PNAC types don't seem to learn, there will be another  sinkingfeeling   Jan-12-07 03:09 PM   #47 
  - I tend to agree with you.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-12-07 03:17 PM   #58 
     - Not safe as in "bombs bursting in air"  tavalon   Jan-14-07 06:10 AM   #214 
  - I sincerely hope you are right about this one  Warpy   Jan-12-07 03:10 PM   #48 
  - I can't believe the worm has turned while our ideology remains the same.  PreacherCasey   Jan-12-07 03:11 PM   #49 
  - It's Sheen time!  Gregorian   Jan-12-07 03:14 PM   #51 
  - one more thing - Bush's words:  LSK   Jan-12-07 03:14 PM   #52 
  - There is a decisive ideological struggle going on  tavalon   Jan-14-07 06:12 AM   #215 
  - Ordinarily I would agree that getting us involved in hostilities with Iran  BurtWorm   Jan-12-07 03:15 PM   #53 
  - Doing stupid, self-defeating things has never stopped him before  Jacobin   Jan-12-07 03:16 PM   #54 
  - I hope you are right, Will.  SeattleGirl   Jan-12-07 03:16 PM   #55 
  - We're on the same page, Will...  Mythsaje   Jan-12-07 03:16 PM   #56 
  - Thank you  VelmaD   Jan-12-07 03:17 PM   #57 
  - I hope you're right...  Neecy   Jan-12-07 03:18 PM   #59 
  - I think that with a worn our military and the country in debt up to it's  Hubert Flottz   Jan-12-07 03:20 PM   #61 
  - Air strikes...  MilesColtrane   Jan-13-07 09:17 AM   #173 
  - No Flames Will, But You started this Thread, Come Back and address the Fear  Wiley50   Jan-12-07 03:22 PM   #63 
  - Yeah, I must be such a narcissist . I don't see how he can start a thread and then go away  tavalon   Jan-14-07 06:17 AM   #216 
  - I always go for the logical explanation...  stillcool47   Jan-12-07 03:23 PM   #64 
  - Unfortunately, he is still doing exactly what he wants.  deaniac21   Jan-12-07 03:24 PM   #65 
  - Lord, I hope you're right, Will! And I think I'm speaking for a whole lot of  Peace Patriot   Jan-12-07 03:26 PM   #66 
  - Just want to add that I think Graywarrior's point about the oil contracts in Iraq  Peace Patriot   Jan-12-07 04:19 PM   #86 
     - Thanks for repeating this important point Patriot. Follow the money and the oil.  riderinthestorm   Jan-12-07 06:10 PM   #108 
  - Will, you are optimistic and I hope you're right  Jack Rabbit   Jan-12-07 03:27 PM   #68 
  - We need to keep the pressure up;  necso   Jan-12-07 03:27 PM   #69 
  - Don't forget  undergroundpanther   Jan-12-07 03:31 PM   #70 
  - Well Ronnie  durtee librul   Jan-12-07 07:49 PM   #123 
  - Randi just touched on something..  Ahpook   Jan-12-07 03:33 PM   #71 
  - I believe you're right, and...  TreasonousBastard   Jan-12-07 03:36 PM   #72 
  - "Some with influence have learned this lesson." I've no doubt that this is true  Peace Patriot   Jan-12-07 04:43 PM   #91 
     - That's not exactly how it works...  TreasonousBastard   Jan-12-07 08:21 PM   #128 
     - In some ways, it is pointless to have rational discussions...  puebloknot   Jan-12-07 08:26 PM   #129 
  - Once again Will  Pharaoh   Jan-12-07 03:40 PM   #75 
  - Will, you are seldom wrong  JitterbugPerfume   Jan-12-07 03:44 PM   #78 
  - gotta love the optimism, but  nashville_brook   Jan-12-07 04:12 PM   #82 
  - And if we hit that "constitutional crisis", who knows what the outcome of that will be!  Pachamama   Jan-13-07 01:56 AM   #156 
  - It's because they're collapsing  Marie26   Jan-12-07 04:16 PM   #85 
  - DUpe-delete  Beetwasher   Jan-12-07 05:55 PM   #104 
  - I'm Terrified Of What Bush Might Do To America  demrabble   Jan-12-07 04:19 PM   #87 
  - I totally, totally agree....but....the bag man cometh  MichiganVote   Jan-12-07 04:20 PM   #88 
  - Unfortunately, Dear Leader (and his diminishing band of comrades)  Vinca   Jan-12-07 04:59 PM   #92 
  - Wishful thinking, Mr. Pitt.  smoogatz   Jan-12-07 05:08 PM   #94 
  - I hope you are completely right & thank you.n/t  Alamom   Jan-12-07 05:10 PM   #95 
  - I really wish you were right. But 'It could all go sideways' is the current paradigm.  robertpaulsen   Jan-12-07 05:30 PM   #97 
  - Who knows?  Rex   Jan-12-07 05:45 PM   #101 
  - But William, would if there is another 911? One they would blame Iran for.  goforit   Jan-12-07 05:47 PM   #102 
  - Nothing's More Dangerous Than A Cornered Psycho  Beetwasher   Jan-12-07 05:56 PM   #105 
  - GEEZE! DU'ers Complain about "Hit and run Posts" ...this one qualifies!  KoKo01   Jan-12-07 05:59 PM   #106 
  - Read your own post again.  WilliamPitt   Jan-12-07 06:17 PM   #109 
     - got me on my typo...good on you...IRAN and I corrected...  KoKo01   Jan-12-07 06:24 PM   #111 
  - I agree with everything you say...  ellisonz   Jan-12-07 06:00 PM   #107 
  - All the more Reason to Impeach ... Right Effing Now  Senator   Jan-12-07 06:20 PM   #110 
  - "ImPeach Pitt"! Let's do it now -- a trial run kind of thing...  puebloknot   Jan-12-07 08:42 PM   #133 
     - We've already done it  Senator   Jan-12-07 11:31 PM   #144 
        - That was meant as a joke, but even I...  puebloknot   Jan-13-07 05:21 AM   #161 
           - Oh good ... more wizdum from "high Dem circles"  Senator   Jan-13-07 04:25 PM   #200 
              - It's just that I'm tired of being in the waiting room!  puebloknot   Jan-13-07 07:21 PM   #202 
  - You wrote something similar just before the election.  BuyingThyme   Jan-12-07 06:35 PM   #116 
  - Yup, this whole week has been a watershed, and it is going to get better.  StrictlyRockers   Jan-12-07 07:25 PM   #117 
  - I agree on all points...and another reason an attack on Iran won't happen  SaveElmer   Jan-12-07 07:40 PM   #119 
  - No flames here  Laurab   Jan-12-07 07:43 PM   #120 
  - I stand behind the supposition.  WilliamPitt   Jan-13-07 12:25 AM   #149 
  - Did you mean to be an ass?  tavalon   Jan-14-07 06:28 AM   #217 
  - Thank you William Pitt for this sane and reasonable post. nt  texpatriot2004   Jan-12-07 07:43 PM   #122 
  - I hope you're right but I'm wary of a Tonkin Gulf moment.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-12-07 07:51 PM   #124 
  - What you said.  Beam Me Up   Jan-12-07 08:12 PM   #126 
  - i have been paying attention last 24 hours and i come to same conclusions as you  seabeyond   Jan-12-07 08:20 PM   #127 
  - No flames here, Mr. Pitt. That's mostly my take on it.  BlueIris   Jan-12-07 08:38 PM   #131 
  - I suppose whether or not Bush can do it  uberllama42   Jan-12-07 09:41 PM   #134 
  - GuvWurld says, "These are the last throes of the Bush Administration"  emlev   Jan-12-07 10:04 PM   #135 
  - Will, nice knowing you ,Pal! I think 5.5 years is enough of this joint!  GalleryGod   Jan-12-07 10:34 PM   #138 
  - These are the last throes of the Bush Administration  GuvWurld   Jan-12-07 10:39 PM   #140 
  - Why Bush=Stalin and not Bush=Hitler? BTW, Hope you're right  ItsTheMediaStupid   Jan-12-07 11:01 PM   #141 
  - Hitler had territorial dreams of a Greater Reich  WilliamPitt   Jan-13-07 12:22 AM   #148 
     - But he's more Bob Jones than he is either Hitler or Stalin.  puebloknot   Jan-13-07 07:32 PM   #203 
        - Bush = Flip Wilson or, Phyllis Diller (without the humor or the brains)! n/t  bananarepublican   Jan-13-07 09:14 PM   #207 
        - Yes, but...they don't have their finger on the magic "nukular" button.  puebloknot   Jan-13-07 09:20 PM   #208 
        - CORRECTION: I meant Jim Jones, not Bob Jones.....  puebloknot   Jan-14-07 12:00 AM   #210 
  - I think your on the money...  btmlndfrmr   Jan-12-07 11:16 PM   #142 
  - Here's hoping Will.  Independent_Liberal   Jan-12-07 11:22 PM   #143 
  - I've been called opinionated and I've been called a woman with strong opinions  tavalon   Jan-13-07 12:03 AM   #146 
  - I am more concerned about what happens internationally the next two years  Clarkie1   Jan-13-07 12:49 AM   #151 
  - I think they are in the death throes, but still twitching  frogcycle   Jan-13-07 01:17 AM   #152 
  - Will, do you think the powers that really run the country  tblue37   Jan-13-07 01:19 AM   #153 
  - I don't think they care one way or the other.  WilliamPitt   Jan-13-07 03:12 AM   #158 
     - An excellent summary  Donna Zen   Jan-13-07 12:06 PM   #182 
  - I won't flame  PretzelzRule   Jan-13-07 02:00 AM   #157 
  - Me too...  B Calm   Jan-13-07 07:02 AM   #163 
  - One wing collapses, he just retreats to another. He's winning, he's won.  Festivito   Jan-13-07 03:55 AM   #159 
  - I just don't know how to oppose such a future move, like Iran,  bigtree   Jan-13-07 06:56 AM   #162 
  - Compared to any democratic head of state, Bush, Stalin, Hitler are identical.  rman   Jan-13-07 07:17 AM   #164 
  - Perhaps this newest plan/plot is a conjured up, carefully planned out ploy in order to  DarbyUSMC   Jan-13-07 07:30 AM   #165 
  - Your point 1 is not correct.  Warren Stupidity   Jan-13-07 07:38 AM   #166 
  - Hail William Pitt  Sees Clearly   Jan-13-07 08:07 AM   #167 
  - Aren't you the one that urged DU to stand behind Bush on 9-11?  downstairsparts   Jan-13-07 08:16 AM   #168 
  - Link please  tavalon   Jan-14-07 06:36 AM   #218 
     - Link  downstairsparts   Jan-14-07 10:53 AM   #220 
  - all tyrants fall, eventually  mdmc   Jan-13-07 08:59 AM   #169 
  - The U.S./Israel will not allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons.  MilesColtrane   Jan-13-07 09:01 AM   #170 
  - The "compliant Congress" is alive and well.  Buzz Clik   Jan-13-07 09:33 AM   #174 
  - he's still in charge of u.s. military...still has a compliant media...and dems aren't stopping him.  NotGivingUp   Jan-13-07 09:52 AM   #177 
  - and anybody who's gonna dis kucinich is a troll  NotGivingUp   Jan-13-07 09:54 AM   #178 
  - Excerpt from column by AEI neocon Joshua Murvchik  MilesColtrane   Jan-13-07 11:19 AM   #179 
  - "Ahmadinejad wants to be the New Lenin".....These people are crazy  KoKo01   Jan-13-07 03:10 PM   #191 
  - I'd agree, IF we had a sane man in the White House  AngryOldDem   Jan-13-07 11:27 AM   #180 
  - Damn: "Error: You've already recommended that thread."  progressoid   Jan-13-07 12:01 PM   #181 
  - What, are you gonna learn us some history now, too?  Usrename   Jan-13-07 12:48 PM   #185 
  - I hope so  PATRICK   Jan-13-07 01:32 PM   #186 
  - The problem with this analysis is that it's rational, and you're dealing  mnhtnbb   Jan-13-07 01:41 PM   #187 
  - I disagree.  realpolitik   Jan-13-07 02:40 PM   #189 
  - I like to think this whole thing is just a threat of force with no substance behind it,  Auntie Bush   Jan-13-07 02:59 PM   #190 
  - My paper sounds more like a debate  mmonk   Jan-13-07 03:33 PM   #195 
  - The problem is he's still commander-in-chief,  dailykoff   Jan-13-07 03:38 PM   #196 
  - Here's my problem with this Will  uppityperson   Jan-13-07 03:55 PM   #198 
  - I basically agree with...  sendero   Jan-13-07 04:15 PM   #199 
  - I pray you're right, Will. But I beleive the operative word is "desperate"  johnaries   Jan-13-07 05:05 PM   #201 
  - Here's the other view point  joe green   Jan-14-07 03:54 AM   #211 
  - How depressing  joe green   Jan-14-07 03:56 AM   #212 

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