Reply #53: Do you KNOW it's not true? Why don't you point out to us why?

[cascadiance]

I believe that our own country has a large segment that is being ruled by criminals too, as I suspect that many in this country do now! Why can't I also believe that there's criminal elements in the Turkish government?

When you try to call someone a liar, then you have to prove two things, neither which I've seen here:
1) that their facts are incorrect.
2) that they knowingly misrepresented facts to put forth a false conclusion.

Even if some of her facts might be incorrect (perhaps the sources were wrong, or something like that), it still is a far jump to conclude that she's knowingly perpetuating incorrect information. What is her agenda if you think she is? What does she have to gain if she is?

Like I said, I'm trying to come halfway here, as I have a lot of Turkish friends, and have a lot of respect for many of them, and absolutely love going to Turkish restaurants when I get the chance to.

But I think one needs to really step back and instead of calling someone like her a liar, go forth and try to find other information that contradicts her claims here and present that instead of just calling her names. If you say that we still need to be skeptical because there is different information out there to the contrary, then I'll have respect for a position like that. But I don't respect you calling people in this thread a liar.