Reply #40: Oh but there is an equitable sharing of sacrifices of sorts...

[ellisonz]

As ShortNFiery was commenting another thread, follow the money, I'm paying for this goddamn war, not you, because it is almost all deficit spending, and even w/pay go it is going to take a long time to pay the bill.

You should continue to protest, but I just would not get my hopes up for ending the war by that means...I'm all for investigate, inform, impeach, convinct if we can make it happen, which is no small order.

There are things to be learned for history...but history does not repeat itself in perfect order and IMHO opinion there is a pretty radical difference between the two chains of events in practical terms, and these differences must be taken into consideration. Gulf of Tonkin was a hoax, 9/11 was not, and that is not to suggest Iraq had anything to do w/9/11, because it most certaintly did not...but to abandon Iraq in a state of chaos, one we are primarily responsible for is to take a tremendous national security risk. I certainly believe in LIHOP to an extent, but I also realize that "failed states" are very dangerous things to let occur, and our fuckups in Afghanistan prior to 2001 had a great deal w/the death of nearly 3,000 innocent Americans. So yes, you can learn from history, but you can only learn so much and you must always contextualize the claim. Merely asserting the analogy has little use beyond rhetoric unless you can clearly and explicitly explain why the analogy is useful. That is the major difference between Nixon's false "peace w/honor/Vietnamization" and what Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are calling for, and thank God they made themselves heard, it only took, what all of 2 days?

http://www.speaker.gov/

Is that not a result? Harp if you must, but give them space to do their job.

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