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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 04:35 PM
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112. Removal from society ignores the root problems.
Yes, there are some behaviors (stabbing children in the head, for instance) which are simply unacceptable and must be stopped if not prevented. But, rather than wait for it to happen and punish offenders after the fact, we should be addressing what causes people to commit crimes/unacceptable behaviors in the first place. Punishment is always after the fact, and that's too late.
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  -Is "permanent removal from society" an acceptable punishment to you? rpgamerd00d  Dec-30-06 01:21 PM   #0 
  - i support the DP in extaordinary circumstances...  k_jerome   Dec-30-06 01:24 PM   #1 
  - OK, but why not in all circumstances which would remove someone permanently from society?  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:31 PM   #2 
  - i simply do not think it is applied fairly in this country. nt.  k_jerome   Dec-30-06 01:34 PM   #5 
     - OK, so you are against it because we, as humans, make mistakes/have biases.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:37 PM   #8 
        - that is fair...  k_jerome   Dec-30-06 01:40 PM   #13 
  - Nah, he could have spent years in prison writing his memoirs  Warpy   Dec-30-06 01:33 PM   #4 
  - Logic and emotion  Uncle Joe   Dec-30-06 01:33 PM   #3 
  - So, your only objection to the DP is that humans are fallible and make mistakes.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:36 PM   #6 
  - I believe the death penalty to be a slippery slope  Uncle Joe   Dec-30-06 01:45 PM   #18 
     - Well put, Uncle Joe.  mac56   Dec-30-06 02:33 PM   #70 
  - agree  Viva_La_Revolution   Dec-30-06 01:37 PM   #7 
  - I support the death penalty  GemMom   Dec-30-06 01:37 PM   #9 
  - Human Rights are not inherently a religious concept.  lwfern   Dec-30-06 01:38 PM   #10 
  - You're a little off on the taxpayer thing.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:42 PM   #15 
     - Faulty logic  lwfern   Dec-30-06 01:49 PM   #22 
  - I accept permanent removal from Free society, and not death penalty  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 01:38 PM   #11 
  - Thank you  lwfern   Dec-30-06 01:42 PM   #14 
  - Good questions  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-30-06 01:39 PM   #12 
  - Yes. And death is not.  Kelly Rupert   Dec-30-06 01:43 PM   #16 
  - Your analogy is ridiculous on its face.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:47 PM   #20 
     - Why not?  Kelly Rupert   Dec-30-06 01:50 PM   #24 
        - I do not base my worldview on anything arbitrary, I base it in concrete:  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:52 PM   #26 
           - So people who have been convicted of crimes are, to you, no longer persons.  Kelly Rupert   Dec-30-06 01:55 PM   #31 
              - Of course not, I don't believe in cruel and unusual punishment.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:58 PM   #37 
                 - I don't believe in cruel and unusual punishment-people sentenced to life w/o parole should be killed  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:11 PM   #49 
  - I think about this from a slightly different perspective.  LWolf   Dec-30-06 01:43 PM   #17 
  - I support option #1.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-30-06 01:45 PM   #19 
  - I reject your premise.  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 01:48 PM   #21 
  - Hmm, I see no flaw in that logic. Maybe you could point it out to all of us?  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:50 PM   #23 
     - It's easy to see.  Kelly Rupert   Dec-30-06 01:52 PM   #25 
     - The life of that person is over. Its irrelevant what they do in prison.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:54 PM   #29 
        - Irrelevant. Well yes, except for that breathing thing.  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 01:56 PM   #33 
        - Wow, so conviction of a crime strips you of humanity?  Kelly Rupert   Dec-30-06 01:57 PM   #34 
        - I think you need to re-read the thread again.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:01 PM   #39 
        - I reject that premise as well.  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:04 PM   #45 
        - The life of that person is over. Its irrelevant what they do in prison.  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:03 PM   #44 
        - "it is irrelevant what they do in prison?" Wow  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:01 PM   #41 
        - You, also, need to re-read the thread.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:03 PM   #42 
           - "Those imprisoned forever are irrelevant."  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:09 PM   #48 
           - oh, believe me, I have reread it  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:15 PM   #54 
           - It is 100% fallacious to equate killing a convicted criminal = killing everyone  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:17 PM   #55 
              - have we met before? Your way of picking and chosing what to respond to seems familiar  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:24 PM   #59 
                 - I have no issue with the other things you wrote.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:25 PM   #60 
                    - and once again you answer without answering.  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:30 PM   #66 
           - Nelson Mandela received a life sentence and was serving it. His life was "irrelevant" after he was  Garbo 2004   Dec-30-06 03:12 PM   #97 
        - Say that should it happen to someone you love  RestoreGore   Dec-30-06 02:14 PM   #52 
           - Yes, I do.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:15 PM   #53 
              - Yes, you do believe INNOCENT people should be put to death if they're unfairly imprisoned?  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:22 PM   #58 
              - because the death penalty is legal it is Humane?  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:26 PM   #61 
              - Of course!  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:28 PM   #62 
                 - Legal=Humane, omg.  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:30 PM   #65 
                    - Legality = Morality.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:32 PM   #69 
                       - You're goofing on us, right?  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:36 PM   #72 
                       - I'm not entirely sure you get the meaning of it.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:38 PM   #75 
                          - Can you explain what you are trying to get us to ponder since I am so stupid to not understand  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:41 PM   #78 
                          - Its philosophy.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:45 PM   #82 
                             - "phiosophy"  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:46 PM   #83 
                             - now now now, be tolerant of typos, we all do those  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:51 PM   #85 
                                - I'm going to put that in my sig line!  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:53 PM   #86 
                             - No way. One might hope so, but this is not how or why laws are passed.  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:49 PM   #84 
                             - No, it's mob rules, actually.  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:54 PM   #87 
                             - Here is an example.  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:55 PM   #88 
                             - Actually that's changing...  Solon   Dec-30-06 03:11 PM   #96 
                                - It does depend on how and where.  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 03:17 PM   #100 
                                   - Also depends on species...  Solon   Dec-30-06 03:24 PM   #102 
                             - Here are some other examples  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 03:01 PM   #90 
                                - So, It's Good To Be King?  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 03:03 PM   #91 
                                   - No, just "moral", see?  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 03:05 PM   #93 
                                      - D'oh!  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 03:09 PM   #95 
                          - No, I get it. It's George Bush's philosophy. Quite simple, actually.  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:43 PM   #80 
                       - if it is legal it is moral? Are you questioning my morells?  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:36 PM   #73 
              - Legal doesn't make it humane n/t  RestoreGore   Dec-30-06 03:47 PM   #104 
     - LIFE = DEATH  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 01:55 PM   #30 
     - I regect your premise.  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 01:57 PM   #36 
  - It sounds like you're talking about a dog or a cat,  BullGooseLoony   Dec-30-06 01:53 PM   #27 
  - Yes to permanent removal. No to death  brazenlyliberal   Dec-30-06 01:53 PM   #28 
  - I think it's pretty extreme  NoPasaran   Dec-30-06 01:55 PM   #32 
  - LOL! Good one.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 01:59 PM   #38 
  - Looking at your usename now  lwfern   Dec-30-06 01:57 PM   #35 
  - If we could nominate individual posts,  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:01 PM   #40 
  - Thank you, Senator Frist.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:03 PM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-30-06 02:07 PM   #46 
  - Actually, as a gamer, I interepret his username a little differently...  Solon   Dec-30-06 03:16 PM   #99 
     - link here to term definitions. Thanks for this thought.  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 03:23 PM   #101 
     - I view the alignments as somewhat simplistic....  Solon   Dec-30-06 04:33 PM   #109 
     - If you actually knew D&D, you'd know that players can only be  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 09:25 PM   #114 
        - this info is given on this webpage about Lawful Evil...  uppityperson   Dec-31-06 02:09 AM   #115 
  - Perhaps those who believe killing is justified  RestoreGore   Dec-30-06 02:07 PM   #47 
  - To your final question: Because God is the only one who can judge who dies.  Selatius   Dec-30-06 02:11 PM   #50 
  - So, US Law should be based on Christian belief?  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:13 PM   #51 
     - As a Deist, I do not favor casting my belief on others, but the prohibition against the DP...  Selatius   Dec-30-06 02:18 PM   #56 
     - Damn, that is actually a really good arguement.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:21 PM   #57 
        - It never occurred to you that people could THINK in prison?  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:29 PM   #64 
           - Heh, it wasn't the "thinking" part that makes me ponder.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:31 PM   #67 
           - Oh, so you're a religious man?  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:37 PM   #74 
              - No, I am not, actually.  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 02:39 PM   #76 
                 - You don't follow any formal religion? Well that's good.  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:44 PM   #81 
                    - I follow an informal religion myself...  Solon   Dec-30-06 04:30 PM   #108 
           - being irrelevant of course! Did you see the one legal=humane?  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:32 PM   #68 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-30-06 02:39 PM   #77 
                 - ok, shhhh  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:43 PM   #79 
     - God is Christian? WOW!!1, that's HUGH!!!!!11  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 02:29 PM   #63 
        - You've reached that stage, haven't you?  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 02:33 PM   #71 
  - Because we value life in our society  Nikia   Dec-30-06 02:57 PM   #89 
  - POTD, Nikia, POTD.  beam me up scottie   Dec-30-06 03:04 PM   #92 
  - Time to play Guess The Author  lwfern   Dec-30-06 03:08 PM   #94 
  - Permanent removal from society is acceptable for me.  demgurl   Dec-30-06 03:13 PM   #98 
  - 123 people have been released from death row.  Liberal Veteran   Dec-30-06 03:32 PM   #103 
  - There are some differences...  ljm2002   Dec-30-06 03:48 PM   #105 
  - Will your next thread be titled 'rpgamerd00d's Final Solution? Or perhaps 'Mein Kampf'?  Sapphire Blue   Dec-30-06 04:06 PM   #106 
  - one of the better succintest responses here. thank you. eom  uppityperson   Dec-30-06 04:16 PM   #107 
  - Nah, it'll be "Capital Punishment, for Dummies", or  Solon   Dec-30-06 04:35 PM   #111 
  - Google "Godwins Law"  rpgamerd00d   Dec-30-06 09:23 PM   #113 
  - I don't support state sanctioned REVENGE KILLING  Nutmegger   Dec-30-06 04:33 PM   #110 
  - Removal from society ignores the root problems.  porphyrian   Dec-30-06 04:35 PM   #112 

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