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Response to Reply #190
212. Nixon wasn't charged with "subverting the constitution"

Nixon was charged with abusing his power to obstruct a criminal investigation. The Constitutional process responded and worked quite well.

I gather that, as Ford was incalculably evil, you were also opposed to his support for the Equal Rights Amendment, his signing of the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty, as well as Nixon's successful negotiation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and the opening to China.

To condemn a man on the occasion of his death for the fact that he did not fulfill your hope to see another man, who had set the gold standard for public disgrace and humiliation, sent to prison, makes me hope for you that you will begin enjoy the holiday season a bit more.


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  -All of this Ford-bashing is really disheartening... Hoosier Dem  Dec-27-06 09:15 AM   #0 
  - Might As Well Add This  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 09:19 AM   #1 
  - I'd never read that piece before...Amazing!  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 09:27 AM   #11 
  - He Also Wrote An NYT Op-Ed Piece With Bob Dole Opposing Impeachment  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 09:29 AM   #12 
     - Of Nixon or Clinton? nt  MookieWilson   Dec-27-06 01:04 PM   #124 
  - Low Post Count + Bashing a Death = ???????  Rockholm   Dec-27-06 10:00 AM   #39 
     - Could well be true, however ---  Zensea   Dec-27-06 10:03 AM   #45 
     - How true, it is disheartening. I was just out of highschool when  madmunchie   Dec-27-06 11:57 AM   #100 
     - sorry, but defending ford disqualifies you as a "leftist". nt  tomp   Dec-28-06 08:54 AM   #199 
        - I didn't defend Ford, I said I held no animosity towards him  Zensea   Dec-28-06 11:10 AM   #209 
     - Exactly. n/t  guruoo   Dec-27-06 12:45 PM   # 
  - I agree. The dude just died and people are rippin on him. His family  xultar   Dec-27-06 09:20 AM   #2 
  - I think it is a combo of "hindsight = 20/20 vision" and anger with  salin   Dec-27-06 09:40 AM   #24 
  - not just rambling , but rambling stupidly.  tomp   Dec-28-06 08:58 AM   #201 
  - Because they're reading here?  WinkyDink   Dec-27-06 10:32 AM   #60 
  - Thanks, Hoosier Dem, you said it very well  Richardo   Dec-27-06 09:20 AM   #3 
  - Ford  jensmygov   Dec-27-06 09:20 AM   #4 
  - Yep, give Ford a break. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-27-06 09:21 AM   #5 
  - I Remember When He Had Muhammad Ali And George Harrison At The White House.  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 09:25 AM   #9 
  - Might As Well Add This And This  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 09:22 AM   #6 
  - Ford is still paying a price for healing  illinoisprogressive   Dec-27-06 09:23 AM   #7 
  - He didn't heal anything. He let criminals go free.  sfexpat2000   Dec-27-06 09:51 AM   #31 
  - How many criminals go free  michaz   Dec-27-06 11:02 AM   #78 
  - Two wrongs?  sfexpat2000   Dec-27-06 11:30 AM   #81 
  - Should we have impeached Clinton for pardoning  barb162   Dec-28-06 02:20 AM   #188 
     - Clinton didn't pardon a chief executive for subverting the Constitution.  sfexpat2000   Dec-28-06 06:22 AM   #190 
        - Nixon wasn't charged with "subverting the constitution"  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 11:29 AM   #212 
           - Wrong. Nixon wasn't charged at all.  sfexpat2000   Dec-28-06 02:50 PM   #218 
              - There were three charges  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 04:42 PM   #219 
  - It's a Good Thing We Keep Religion and Politics Separate  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 11:31 AM   #213 
  - Like the Vietnam Draft Resisters?  jberryhill   Dec-27-06 06:52 PM   #158 
     - And so we "moved on" and no president since has tried to manipulate  sfexpat2000   Dec-28-06 06:44 AM   #191 
     - that is exactly the point. nt  tomp   Dec-28-06 09:01 AM   #202 
     - What election did Nixon manipulate?  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 11:16 AM   #211 
        - That Nixon's attempt to manipulate an election was unsuccessful  sfexpat2000   Dec-28-06 02:46 PM   #217 
           - We are going to need bigger prisons  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 04:55 PM   #222 
     - your comparison is ludicrous.  tomp   Dec-28-06 09:04 AM   #203 
        - That's Precisely The Problem With Nixon  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 11:13 AM   #210 
  - he was hand-picked by Nixon, and pardoned because he was told to.  progressivebydesign   Dec-27-06 10:30 AM   #59 
  - Thanks Hoosier  cwydro   Dec-27-06 09:24 AM   #8 
  - I completely agree....  Bubba Zanetti   Dec-27-06 09:25 AM   #10 
  - So now that you are feeling superior to all of DU  Moochy   Dec-27-06 03:16 PM   #133 
  - Yawn!  ProfessorGAC   Dec-27-06 09:30 AM   #13 
  - As A Professor You Should Know Supposition And Conjecture Are Not Proof  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 09:36 AM   #20 
  - And Your Opinion Is Based Upon What?  ProfessorGAC   Dec-27-06 09:42 AM   #28 
  - Your Logic Is Flawed  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 09:51 AM   #32 
  - Nonsense  ProfessorGAC   Dec-27-06 10:01 AM   #42 
  - My Logic Is Intact...  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 10:11 AM   #49 
     - Are You Being Obtuse, Or Just Dense?  ProfessorGAC   Dec-27-06 10:30 AM   #58 
        - So, Professor, you are using the same logic as the Bush administration  Mortos   Dec-27-06 11:37 AM   #86 
        - I tend to agree with your hypothesis..  Tellurian   Dec-27-06 04:26 PM   #144 
  - Watch the interview with the former editor of the Nation magazine  higher class   Dec-27-06 11:48 AM   #94 
  - Res Ipsa Loquitur  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 10:00 AM   #40 
  - Yawn, Again!  ProfessorGAC   Dec-27-06 10:03 AM   #44 
  - WRONG!!! (Again)  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 10:19 AM   #51 
  - I Can't Accept It?  ProfessorGAC   Dec-27-06 10:25 AM   #53 
     - True, I could have shown your grace and maturity.  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 10:37 AM   #66 
        - When Does The Lecture End?  ProfessorGAC   Dec-27-06 10:42 AM   #71 
  - I'm Trying To Understand Your Logic  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 10:20 AM   #52 
  - OK. You've Answered My Prior Question  ProfessorGAC   Dec-27-06 10:37 AM   #67 
     - Let's Review Your Arguments  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 10:49 AM   #74 
     - 41 and Clinton ARE good friends.  deaniac21   Dec-27-06 10:52 AM   #75 
  - You are condescending and rude  Kajsa   Dec-27-06 09:56 PM   #173 
  - Context is everything  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-27-06 11:40 AM   #89 
  - Another Warren Commission member bites the dust.  EVDebs   Dec-27-06 07:01 PM   #161 
  - Probably not a real professor.  AZBlue   Dec-27-06 10:20 PM   #177 
  - Finally! A post in this thread that I can agree with!  Dhalgren   Dec-27-06 09:38 AM   #22 
  - Amen he pardoned Tricky Dicky and that alone is cause to dislike the man................  4bucksagallon   Dec-27-06 09:42 AM   #26 
  - LOL  Hamlette   Dec-27-06 09:48 AM   #30 
  - No kidding, Professor. Since when do we celebrate collaborators.  sfexpat2000   Dec-27-06 10:06 AM   #47 
  - That's about my take on it, too  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Dec-27-06 10:58 AM   #77 
  - ProfessorGAC, et, al, there is a time and place,...  guruoo   Dec-27-06 12:50 PM   #121 
  - The backroom deal had to be made with BOTH parties, Professor  Nikki Stone1   Dec-27-06 12:50 PM   #122 
  - Yep. We have arrived at a place in time where, if someone lives a LONG life  SoCalDem   Dec-27-06 05:56 PM   #145 
  - Rereading your post again  cwydro   Dec-27-06 09:31 AM   #14 
  - I was there as well and our opinions are 180 degrees apart!  8643   Dec-27-06 09:32 AM   #15 
  - Didn't mean to imply that everyone here are "kids"  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 09:41 AM   #25 
  - You are joking, yes  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 11:36 AM   #214 
  - Sorry, but the man was an enabler,  MadHound   Dec-27-06 09:32 AM   #16 
  - I agree with you. The one thing Ford did was work with everyone  still_one   Dec-27-06 09:33 AM   #17 
  - But The Difference Between The Two Is Ford Was A Basically Decent Human Being  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 09:34 AM   #19 
  - Your basic decent human being protected the Pinochet government.  sfexpat2000   Dec-27-06 10:53 AM   #76 
  - and Johnson escallated the Viet Nam war based on LIES  still_one   Dec-27-06 12:36 PM   #117 
  - The two wrongs argument doen't work.  sfexpat2000   Dec-27-06 03:27 PM   #136 
     - First of all I agree nixon is an AH, and there is no justification with the overthrow of Allende  still_one   Dec-27-06 09:29 PM   #168 
  - He had Vietnam on his plate at the time. That filled it. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-27-06 01:07 PM   #125 
     - Yeah, so f%ck all those little brown people that were tortured and killed.  sfexpat2000   Dec-27-06 03:24 PM   #135 
        - No, I didn't say that. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-27-06 09:35 PM   #169 
  - Absolutely, and my feelings differ about impeachment with this administration than Nixon  still_one   Dec-27-06 12:26 PM   #113 
  - the one thing he did was work with everyone? how many vetoes...  Gabi Hayes   Dec-27-06 03:14 PM   #132 
  - Sorry, but this needs answered...  hootinholler   Dec-27-06 09:33 AM   #18 
  - Perfectly put. You separated the man that Betty loved, from the politics.  progressivebydesign   Dec-27-06 10:32 AM   #61 
  - I always resented the jokes and laughing at his stumbling and yes  higher class   Dec-27-06 09:37 AM   #21 
  - he was a drunk, drunks fall down  pitohui   Dec-27-06 11:34 AM   #84 
     - Where is your proof of this? Ford a drunk?  faygokid   Dec-27-06 02:10 PM   #127 
     - I Don't Know Any Unrehabilitated Alchoholics Who Could Live To Ninety Three.  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-27-06 03:04 PM   #131 
     - Thank you.  cwydro   Dec-27-06 06:02 PM   #146 
     - you weren't around in the ford era, were you? he was a well known drunk  pitohui   Dec-27-06 06:30 PM   #152 
     - I've NEVER heard he was a drunk. Ever. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-27-06 09:37 PM   #170 
     - i guess you never heard of the queen mother of england  pitohui   Dec-27-06 06:32 PM   #153 
        - Bombay, Beefeater, Gordon's, she didn't care so long as it was cold.  MookieWilson   Dec-27-06 09:38 PM   #171 
        - Now you are gonna piss me off if you're going after Mum  cwydro   Dec-28-06 08:42 AM   #198 
     - You're gonna have to prove this one!  AZBlue   Dec-27-06 10:22 PM   #178 
  - he was one of the bland, ineffectual repukes  leftofthedial   Dec-27-06 09:40 AM   #23 
  - Yikes  cwydro   Dec-27-06 09:55 AM   #36 
     - a sense of justice does not require hatred  leftofthedial   Dec-27-06 09:57 AM   #37 
  - If you can't say anything good, sometimes it's best to say....  kentuck   Dec-27-06 09:42 AM   #27 
  - Free speech is to be cherished, even when someone dies.  WinkyDink   Dec-27-06 10:35 AM   #64 
  - Oh, the irony of you saying that on DU  Goblinmonger   Dec-27-06 10:38 AM   #68 
  - If you can't say anything good, sometimes it's best  donheld   Dec-28-06 01:55 AM   #187 
  - I agree. Thanks for the post.  Pirate Smile   Dec-27-06 09:43 AM   #29 
  - Very nice post  karynnj   Dec-27-06 09:52 AM   #33 
  - And Nixon never really was "rehabilitated"...  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 10:26 AM   #55 
     - He was even rejected by a NYC co-op board  karynnj   Dec-27-06 11:37 AM   #85 
        - "Invited" is a relative term...  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 11:43 AM   #91 
           - Yep - that was NYC and it was years after he was out of office  karynnj   Dec-27-06 02:55 PM   #128 
  - It's not "decent' to let criminals evade justice.  sfexpat2000   Dec-27-06 09:54 AM   #34 
  - So You Were Opposed To the Amnesty Program  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 12:01 AM   #182 
  - Unfortunately  rtassi   Dec-27-06 09:55 AM   #35 
  - the bashing is good  Zensea   Dec-27-06 09:58 AM   #38 
  - I love the bashing  dad   Dec-27-06 10:36 PM   #180 
     - yeah, those folk also  Zensea   Dec-28-06 11:06 AM   #208 
  - That's how I remember him too  Hamlette   Dec-27-06 10:00 AM   #41 
  - Great post, thank you.  Fighting Irish   Dec-27-06 10:01 AM   #43 
  - People are saying that Ford was not very bright.  tblue37   Dec-27-06 10:05 AM   #46 
  - people are saying? lyndon johnson was saying, actually  pitohui   Dec-27-06 11:38 AM   #87 
     - This is absolutely sick and nasty! Stupid athletes do NOT  saracat   Dec-28-06 01:42 AM   #185 
  - Honesty doesn't equal bashing  sandnsea   Dec-27-06 10:08 AM   #48 
  - Very good point.  cwydro   Dec-27-06 06:08 PM   #147 
  - Excellent post, thank you for sharing it.  liberalhistorian   Dec-27-06 10:15 AM   #50 
  - I agree. I am uncomfortable with Ford bashing, as he was a decent man.  Frustratedlady   Dec-27-06 10:25 AM   #54 
  - Yes,  cwydro   Dec-27-06 10:28 AM   #56 
     - Do you understand what grave dancing means?  8643   Dec-27-06 10:43 AM   #72 
        - You would be wrong to believe I have no memory of the period.  cwydro   Dec-27-06 11:53 AM   #96 
        - spell check , oh thank you, wouldnt want to have you guess my meaning.  8643   Dec-28-06 08:54 AM   #200 
        - LISTEN BUD! I asked you to show an example of Grave Dancing in this thread or board.  8643   Dec-28-06 09:04 AM   #204 
           - OK bud  cwydro   Dec-28-06 09:11 AM   #205 
              - Ok its not fair making me laugh and like you, it is an unfair tactic!  8643   Dec-28-06 11:47 AM   #216 
                 - And happy New Year to you too!  cwydro   Dec-28-06 04:42 PM   #220 
        - Here  sandnsea   Dec-27-06 06:51 PM   #157 
  - I'm sure he was a nice man.. but they're piling it on today.  progressivebydesign   Dec-27-06 10:29 AM   #57 
  - He really did help to heal the nation...  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 10:34 AM   #62 
  - another absolutely ludicrous comparison.  tomp   Dec-28-06 09:19 AM   #206 
  - Why are you sure?  WinkyDink   Dec-27-06 10:38 AM   #69 
  - Was he a Republican? I'm holding the praise, TYVM.  WinkyDink   Dec-27-06 10:34 AM   #63 
  - Very well put.... I agree with you....  RedEarth   Dec-27-06 10:36 AM   #65 
  - Ford was the kind of Republican we used to have  Taverner   Dec-27-06 10:39 AM   #70 
  - Ford was the last moderate Rethug president, that's for sure.  roamer65   Dec-27-06 10:45 AM   #73 
  - K&R  DeepModem Mom   Dec-27-06 11:03 AM   #79 
  - You are right  Gelliebeans   Dec-27-06 11:25 AM   #80 
  - what's disheartening about it?  pitohui   Dec-27-06 11:30 AM   #82 
  - Who was asking about "grave dancing" posts  Mortos   Dec-27-06 11:58 AM   #101 
     - Oh Mortos!  cwydro   Dec-27-06 06:23 PM   #150 
  - Very, Very Well Said. No Flames Here. Your OP Was Quite Thoughful And Intelligent.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-27-06 11:33 AM   #83 
  - Thank you  BlueStater   Dec-27-06 11:38 AM   #88 
  - Interesting you should say that... a couple of days ago I deleted  Oleladylib   Dec-27-06 08:08 PM   #164 
  - Feh... He was an unelected Repug...  beth9999   Dec-27-06 11:40 AM   #90 
  - Another prime example of DU immaturity!!  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 11:50 AM   #95 
     - Nah, I knew who they are/were  beth9999   Dec-27-06 12:20 PM   #109 
  - Thank you for this thread  NoPasaran   Dec-27-06 11:47 AM   #92 
  - When presidents die, people say nice things, & rotten things  Philosoraptor   Dec-27-06 11:47 AM   #93 
  - Well Said! n/t  cynatnite   Dec-27-06 11:54 AM   #97 
  - It is amazing that we even have to discuss bashing a dead man.  DaveT   Dec-27-06 11:55 AM   #98 
  - Very Eloquent post. Thank You!  Hoosier Dem   Dec-27-06 12:14 PM   #106 
  - The hate is real for the crimes committed  specimenfred1984   Dec-27-06 11:56 AM   #99 
  - Well, to be fair...  beth9999   Dec-27-06 12:22 PM   #110 
  - Nothing "moderate" in the massacre of East Timor. A holocaust.  Tom Joad   Dec-27-06 11:58 AM   #102 
  - Another post mortem lecture, admonishing DUers that they aren't being polite enough  riderinthestorm   Dec-27-06 12:01 PM   #103 
  - Thanks Rider  Philosoraptor   Dec-27-06 12:04 PM   #104 
  - Unleashing truth  michaz   Dec-27-06 12:06 PM   #105 
  - Get used to it michaz. If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen and all....  riderinthestorm   Dec-27-06 12:14 PM   #107 
     - Gee, that is a response to someone else's opinion?  michaz   Dec-27-06 12:25 PM   #111 
  - Well said  Moochy   Dec-27-06 03:58 PM   #141 
  - I agree. Politics is so mean spirited these days and Ford represented  WI_DEM   Dec-27-06 12:16 PM   #108 
  - Thank you so much for posting this & veering away from some of the ugliness posted here!  Sapphire Blue   Dec-27-06 12:26 PM   #112 
  - Do you remember East Timor?  Tom Joad   Dec-27-06 01:03 PM   #123 
  - I don't know how else to say it, but this post is pure wool.  BuyingThyme   Dec-27-06 12:28 PM   #114 
  - I guess people of every political tendency can be assholes.  High Plains   Dec-27-06 12:28 PM   #115 
  - Ford never even showed up while his wife was having surgery, played golf instead, - real trooper!!  Imagevision   Dec-27-06 12:31 PM   #116 
  - We are better than this.................. nt  dogday   Dec-27-06 12:39 PM   #118 
  - Apparently we're not  Laurab   Dec-27-06 04:02 PM   #142 
     - How about I wished we were?............... nt  dogday   Dec-27-06 04:09 PM   #143 
  - Maybe if President Kennedy had his way there would have been no Nixon, Ford, Regan or Bushes.  Larry Ogg   Dec-27-06 12:45 PM   #119 
  - There would have been, however, a Vietnam  jberryhill   Dec-28-06 12:03 AM   #183 
  - I'm not going to say anything nice about him, but I will not bash him...  Cooley Hurd   Dec-27-06 12:48 PM   #120 
  - Thanks for the post. It's needed here today.  faygokid   Dec-27-06 02:06 PM   #126 
  - The fact is..  Xenotime   Dec-27-06 03:00 PM   #129 
  - The END???!!!  cwydro   Dec-27-06 06:33 PM   #154 
  - Disheartening how?????  Javaman   Dec-27-06 03:01 PM   #130 
  - The "DU Party Line"?  fishwax   Dec-27-06 03:20 PM   #134 
  - Ah the old "DU party line" schtick.  Bluebear   Dec-27-06 03:45 PM   #139 
  - An honest blockhead?  thingfisher   Dec-27-06 03:42 PM   #137 
  - I agree with ya.  fortyfeetunder   Dec-27-06 03:45 PM   #138 
  - I woke up this morning to learn that Goofy Gerry had been elevated to Greatness  Warren Stupidity   Dec-27-06 03:54 PM   #140 
  - 1974...the year..  stillcool47   Dec-27-06 06:09 PM   #148 
  - Very nice post  Morgana LaFey   Dec-27-06 06:11 PM   #149 
  - Agree and  Raine   Dec-27-06 06:24 PM   #151 
  - kickin...  cwydro   Dec-27-06 06:38 PM   #155 
  - Ford was a lousy golfer  ProudDad   Dec-27-06 06:39 PM   #156 
  - I understand your sentiment, and can even agree with it... but....  quiet.american   Dec-27-06 07:00 PM   #159 
  - How many criminals are We the People going to let go...  puebloknot   Dec-27-06 07:01 PM   #160 
  - Very well said Hoosier Dem  toshirajo   Dec-27-06 07:38 PM   #162 
  - Good post.  Sparkly   Dec-27-06 07:42 PM   #163 
  - not a great president  lanlady   Dec-27-06 08:15 PM   #165 
  - Everybody dies... as you will also...  Jokinomx   Dec-27-06 08:20 PM   #166 
  - Completely agree with you.  JerseygirlCT   Dec-27-06 08:33 PM   #167 
  - Thank you, HoosierDem.  Kajsa   Dec-27-06 09:50 PM   #172 
  - every republican is bad-- every democrat is good  madrchsod   Dec-27-06 10:00 PM   #174 
  - Isn't it sad to see many DUers acting like Freepers? (nt)  ih8thegop   Dec-27-06 10:05 PM   #175 
  - Yes.They make me ashamed.  saracat   Dec-28-06 01:43 AM   #186 
  - There have been some legitimate criticisms of Ford's record  aaronbees   Dec-27-06 10:11 PM   #176 
  - Wonderful post!! Thank you.  AZBlue   Dec-27-06 10:23 PM   #179 
  - My Rule for a public servant is a moment of silence & then TOTAL TRUTH!!!  U4ikLefty   Dec-27-06 10:39 PM   #181 
  - Not a preachy Dem here, but..  chefgirl   Dec-28-06 12:40 AM   #184 
  - I agree 100%.  cornermouse   Dec-28-06 03:49 AM   #189 
  - I really  JTFrog   Dec-28-06 07:07 AM   #192 
  - Good post  fujiyama   Dec-28-06 07:15 AM   #193 
  - HE PARDONED NIXON - all else is meaningless  MethuenProgressive   Dec-28-06 07:50 AM   #194 
  - Everytime we pardon criminals they come back...bigger and badder.  leesa   Dec-28-06 07:59 AM   #195 
  - I voted for Ford in 1976  connecticut yankee   Dec-28-06 08:11 AM   #196 
  - Tell it to the Timorese. And Chileans. And this "healing" bit is bullshit  kenzee13   Dec-28-06 08:19 AM   #197 
  - well said  Blue_Tires   Dec-28-06 09:36 AM   #207 
  - Well...as much as DUers make fun of freepers...  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-28-06 11:38 AM   #215 
  - Funny, I think Fords own words describe him best  walldude   Dec-28-06 04:52 PM   #221 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-28-06 09:28 PM   #223 
 

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