warrens
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Wed Dec-20-06 02:25 PM
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Impeachment is a show trial, and basically meaningless. These guys committed high crimes and should face the legal system, not a feel-good expression of disapproval.
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| -Why do the "odds" enter into discussion of the merits of impeachment? |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:18 PM |
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because impeachment is political, not legal. |
MrCoffee |
Dec-20-06 02:21 PM |
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But I still don't get it. |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:23 PM |
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What is the strategic payoff of failed impeachment? |
rinsd |
Dec-20-06 02:32 PM |
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You answered my question with a question, which isn't an answer. n/t |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:42 PM |
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OK |
rinsd |
Dec-20-06 03:07 PM |
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The strategic cost of failure to convict in the Senate is astronomical |
MrCoffee |
Dec-20-06 02:43 PM |
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What do you mean? |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:50 PM |
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I believe that he was exonerated |
MrCoffee |
Dec-20-06 03:06 PM |
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Go after them legally |
warrens |
Dec-20-06 02:25 PM |
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"basically meaningless" |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:27 PM |
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The GOP has demeaned impeachment. It is now nothing but a symbol. |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 07:24 PM |
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MLK quote comes to mind: |
The Count |
Dec-20-06 02:27 PM |
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I know what my conscience says... |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:28 PM |
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Because we can't make a decision in a vacuum. You must take into account all factors. |
Sapere aude |
Dec-20-06 02:29 PM |
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What vaccuum? Where is it? |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:41 PM |
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OK, we're talking about 2 different things now... |
MrCoffee |
Dec-20-06 02:49 PM |
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Oh, I'm all for investigations. |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:52 PM |
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That is the point of agreement. |
omega minimo |
Dec-20-06 10:12 PM |
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You don't try to 'take out' the king |
Jacobin |
Dec-20-06 02:32 PM |
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But he's not a king. |
Dora |
Dec-20-06 02:46 PM |
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It's a saying. "If you strike a king you must kill him." |
Kelly Rupert |
Dec-20-06 03:53 PM |
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And if you turn the other way and expediently let it all go... |
bobbolink |
Dec-21-06 01:03 AM |
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Did impeaching Nixon keep them from coming back a few years later? |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-06 07:48 AM |
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Yup, don't charge the rapist, because the charge may not "stick" |
bobbolink |
Dec-20-06 03:00 PM |
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there's scant similarity between a criminal trial and impeachment |
MrCoffee |
Dec-20-06 03:02 PM |
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Crimes against the nation are crimes. |
bobbolink |
Dec-20-06 03:07 PM |
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Yes, but that doesn't mean it's a good analogy |
MrCoffee |
Dec-20-06 03:09 PM |
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It makes people think. Sorry to have offended you. |
bobbolink |
Dec-20-06 03:47 PM |
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There's a tremendous amount of disinformation, so don't add to it |
MrCoffee |
Dec-20-06 03:50 PM |
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I'm very sorry. |
bobbolink |
Dec-21-06 01:13 AM |
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Please try to be more accurate. Impeachment is an option given to the House of |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 07:18 PM |
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Are you under the impression that that's *not* how prosecution ought to be done? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-20-06 04:39 PM |
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Impeachment is not a criminal process but a political one. |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 07:16 PM |
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When they Impeached President Clinton (they knew they couldn't win). |
William769 |
Dec-20-06 03:23 PM |
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And the failed impeachment sent Clinton's approval skyward. nt |
Kelly Rupert |
Dec-20-06 03:54 PM |
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I'm surprised you even have to ask the question. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-20-06 04:37 PM |
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What you describe is based 100% on a consequentialist ethic. |
TahitiNut |
Dec-20-06 04:59 PM |
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No, you've missed the point. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-20-06 07:10 PM |
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(Unreal.) |
TahitiNut |
Dec-20-06 08:59 PM |
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"...do solemnly swear to Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States..." |
omega minimo |
Dec-20-06 10:32 PM |
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And HOW to protect and defend is at the discretion of the House. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 10:35 PM |
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So you don't think that serving the electorate has anything to do with it? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-21-06 08:01 PM |
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Scare tactics? |
omega minimo |
Dec-22-06 11:26 AM |
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Might Not Be A Horse Race, But If Done Recklessly It Will Be One Hell Of A Dog And Pony Show. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Dec-20-06 04:40 PM |
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Because a failed attempt would cost political power |
Az |
Dec-20-06 07:20 PM |
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Very simple: Impeachment is a political, not a criminal, process. It is not the sole |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 07:21 PM |
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It's a battle between Strategery and Integrity |
omega minimo |
Dec-20-06 10:16 PM |
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It's a battle between making real changes or symbolic revenge. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 10:19 PM |
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Bushco's "making real changes" to the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Unitary Executive Power. |
omega minimo |
Dec-20-06 10:26 PM |
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Impeachment doesn't hold them accountable. |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 10:27 PM |
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How do you figure that? |
omega minimo |
Dec-20-06 10:36 PM |
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Bill Clinton was impeached. |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 10:39 PM |
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There are many recent info&link-rich threads on the Impeachment process that may help general... |
omega minimo |
Dec-20-06 10:54 PM |
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Again, impeachment has been reduced to mere symbol. |
mondo joe |
Dec-20-06 10:58 PM |
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No. It hasn't. See-- that's the battle between Strategery and Integrity right there |
omega minimo |
Dec-20-06 11:10 PM |
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Then please explain what you think impeachment will accomplish. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-06 07:49 AM |
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Consider this |
omega minimo |
Dec-21-06 10:53 AM |
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I think your sig line quote answers your question |
Solly Mack |
Dec-20-06 10:57 PM |
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Because some idealists think that impeachment happens in a vacuum. |
LostInAnomie |
Dec-20-06 11:52 PM |
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Because some strategerists arguments against Impeachment are vacuous |
omega minimo |
Dec-21-06 12:45 AM |
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