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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:21 PM
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113. That's an idiotic opinion to make based on what I've typed
in these postings.

I've already said I'm a trained rescue diver. I've BTDT when I was a dive instructor as well.

The only thing I've said here is that these three people were stupid (perhaps I should have used a more nuanced word here but I didn't). I also said they should have known better.

I didn't say that I was better than them or that I am perfect. Nor did I say that I would never be rescued myself.

I didn't make any suggestion that they not be rescued or even that they or their families be charged for the rescue.

The only other thing I've said is that there is an inordinate amount of time spent on this story by the cable newsies... and I gave my theory for that (missing blond in Aruba again).

Yeah, I have the whole cynical thing going on. Perhaps that makes me judgmental. I don't think overly so.

There is simply no way I would ever be rude (as was done to me when I rescued someone that almost died) should I need rescue. Actually I have something to back that up. I have had since birth a heart defect (don't tell the certifying dive organizations like PADI or NAUI), it has caused me to have numerous heart arrhythmias where my heart beats 300+ per minute. It was a serious condition, possibly fatal. I've had corrective surgery now so everything is "better" (but not perfect). And yet, not once did I walk into an ER with my heart racing to the point that my blood pressure was 60/40 (my heart never had time to fill blood between beats) where I demanded special treatment or anything. Mostly it was the nurses in the ER that went batshit crazy (slamming my ass into a wheelchair and then immediately onto a gurney and wham in goes the IV and not a saline drip but a torrent). I never forgot to tell each nurse and doctor that treated me a "hearty" thankyou (even when I didn't have insurance and I knew I'd personally have to pay an enormous bill, which I did, even though it took two years to pay). There are some things just worth paying for. And it's not their fault that insurance companies are the way they are or the health care system is the way it is, so why should I hold them at fault?

Anyway, you don't know me, and you shouldn't pass judgment on my personality.

You can say I'm stupid for any number of stupid things I've done, fortunately none of them fatal.

I'm stupid with money, for example... all my friends know this about me.
I'm stupid about women too. It's a common failing of the male of the species, and regrettably, I am no better and maybe worse than most.
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  -on the lost climbers and false outrage nadinbrzezinski  Dec-19-06 12:14 PM   #0 
  - Well said and god bless them.  sallyseven   Dec-19-06 12:20 PM   #1 
  - It seems to me the people complaining...  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 12:21 PM   #2 
  - Granted, but it is far more than just not  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 12:27 PM   #4 
  - Doesn't matter why the did it or what it costs to try to find them.  acmavm   Dec-19-06 12:25 PM   #3 
  - There is an element of class and race bias that sometimes rears its  mondo joe   Dec-19-06 12:27 PM   #5 
  - Yep  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 12:32 PM   #7 
  - I didn't originally believe that  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 02:14 PM   #32 
     - Of course. How have we all missed the obvious fact that mountains are  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:40 PM   #42 
        - Since Oklahoma has no mountains  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 02:52 PM   #46 
        - Oklahoma has plenty of mountains. Not 11,000 feet high but falling off  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 03:21 PM   #51 
           - Climbed by 'indigent minorities'  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 03:55 PM   #57 
              - Well, as you put it so delicately, shit happens.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 04:11 PM   #62 
                 - Here  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 04:51 PM   #73 
                    - This is TWO years old and from NEW ZEALAND for christs sake.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 05:27 PM   #80 
                       - rotflmao  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 05:30 PM   #83 
        - Hmm since I bought all the gear for mountain rescue  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:58 PM   #49 
  - It should be mandatory climbers carry a LOCATER device..  Tellurian   Dec-19-06 12:32 PM   #6 
  - It should be, it could be,  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 12:33 PM   #8 
  - No, they aren't "new". They have been available for 20 years.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 01:45 PM   #13 
  - Again it should be, it could be  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:49 PM   #17 
     - My airplane has an equivalent device, an ELT (emergency locater transmitter)  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:08 PM   # 
        - You want it to be required  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:12 PM   #31 
           - Nope, I don't have any desire to make it a law. I don't even like helmet laws  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:36 PM   #40 
              - Ok then I do have a different concept of what is  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:51 PM   #45 
  - The Mt Hood Mountain Locater units are not new.  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 01:48 PM   #16 
     - It should hve, it could have  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:50 PM   #19 
        - Your could be, it should be.. I took to  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 01:57 PM   #21 
           - Even if the units are not new  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:58 PM   #23 
              - I don't have false outrage. I have  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 02:10 PM   #28 
                 - Most clmbers actually have quite a bit of  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:12 PM   #29 
  - I had a sailor friend who refused to buy an EPIRB  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-19-06 03:53 PM   #55 
     - Interesting. I can see that if your sailor friend had no family or anyone  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 04:05 PM   #60 
        - Yup, "DNR" = Do not rescue.  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-19-06 04:55 PM   #75 
  - The US has become a nation of Randites - Ronald Reagan would be proud.  devilgrrl   Dec-19-06 12:34 PM   #9 
  - Yep, it is the me generation  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 12:36 PM   #10 
  - The Whole "Rich Climber" Thing  The Deacon   Dec-19-06 01:00 PM   #11 
  - Just remember  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:41 PM   #12 
  - The bad weather was not unexpected, it was very accurately forecasted  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 01:47 PM   #14 
  - Yuo mean the worst storm in the Northwest that surprsied  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:48 PM   #15 
     - LOL  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 01:57 PM   #22 
     - Yes, it was. It's a matter of historical record. Why do so many people deny facts?  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:02 PM   #24 
     - Ok assumiing you are corect  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:08 PM   #26 
     - The mountain is always "open." What, you think they put up a fence around  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:15 PM   #34 
     - Have you ever done any climbing  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:16 PM   #35 
        - Warnings? Yes, in some spots. The base of the mountain is  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:22 PM   #37 
           - Trail Heads... that works  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:24 PM   #38 
              - Every trail head was invented or discovered by someone at some point.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:38 PM   #41 
                 - And pray tell me why would they use an unknown route?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:52 PM   #47 
                    - I don't know what they might have done, but obviously there are people  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 03:25 PM   #52 
                       - According to media reports  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 04:12 PM   #63 
                          - I have pointed out that shit happens for 50 years. Nobody knows it better than I.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 04:33 PM   #70 
                             - And winter climbs have also happened for many years  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:47 PM   #95 
                                - And winter climbers don't generally die from stupidity.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 06:58 PM   #100 
                                   - Yeah that accidents still happen and that you are quite incapable  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:59 PM   #102 
                                      - That is a total fucking lie and I resent it.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:19 PM   #110 
                                         - Yes, it comes with the code  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:21 PM   #112 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 07:36 PM   #119 
                                            - You know what, it is called personal safety  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:42 PM   #121 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 07:47 PM   #123 
                                            - See you later child  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:48 PM   #124 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 07:48 PM   #125 
                                            - How am I a liar exactly  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:50 PM   #126 
                                            - Not you, nadinbrzezinski.  piedmont   Dec-19-06 07:54 PM   #128 
                                            - Oh I am sorry, you are right about that one  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:55 PM   #129 
     - Why assume he's correct?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 02:48 PM   #44 
        - I gave him the slight benefit of the doubt  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:53 PM   #48 
     - Do you have a link for that?  lukasahero   Dec-19-06 02:46 PM   #43 
     - the worst storm was the night of 12/14 - 15. These men  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 02:07 PM   #25 
        - Yes it does, all mountains do have their own weather system  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:09 PM   #27 
        - the last ping....I read article that said  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 02:12 PM   #30 
  - it's hard enough to get coverage in the MSM  maddezmom   Dec-19-06 01:49 PM   #18 
  - You noticed that as well?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:50 PM   #20 
  - Yes, we have become accustomed to deaths in the ME  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 02:14 PM   #33 
     - It is not Mt Houd, it would be the war on Christmas  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:18 PM   #36 
  - thanks...some people seem to lack historical perspective  onenote   Dec-19-06 02:34 PM   #39 
  - I'm always pissed off by stupidity...  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 03:05 PM   #50 
  - People do stupid things  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 03:33 PM   #53 
  - I disagree about James Kim...  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 04:05 PM   #61 
     - They lived in Eugene  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 04:29 PM   #68 
  - EXCELLENT post.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 03:54 PM   #56 
  - STUPID post  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 04:00 PM   #58 
     - Millions of species no longer exist because of stupidity.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 04:15 PM   #64 
     - You are absolutely wrong.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 04:29 PM   #69 
        - I'm not wrong  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 04:40 PM   #71 
           - Sigh.. not getting through to you.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 05:12 PM   #76 
              - You can't outsmart tragedy every time  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 05:21 PM   #78 
              - I believe he is..  sendero   Dec-19-06 05:56 PM   #86 
              - Uh, the evidence says otherwise.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 06:03 PM   #87 
                 - No it doesn't  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 06:29 PM   #90 
                    - They didn't take Locater beacons  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 06:43 PM   #94 
                       - Try again  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 07:27 PM   #117 
                          - How is that a "try again"  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 07:52 PM   #127 
                             - They did locate the pings  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 08:37 PM   #136 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 05:32 PM   #84 
              - I refuse to believe that anyone here is a Moran, even if they  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 06:35 PM   #91 
                 - There isn't any difference. And in a community of almost 100,000 there has to be  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 06:55 PM   #97 
              - This is brilliant.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 05:39 PM   #85 
                 - No... if you go back and read things again.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 06:20 PM   #89 
                    - I can clearly see you know what you're talking about. Ever see Fitton's Cave  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:09 PM   #106 
                       - No but that is because  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:12 PM   #107 
                          - Uh, I was replying to lapfog_1. Are you perchance drinking tonight?  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:15 PM   #108 
                             - No but obviously you are  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:17 PM   #109 
                                - I have personally rescued 48 people.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:24 PM   #114 
                                   - Really what agency?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:26 PM   #116 
                                      - I made that shit up. Just like a lot of poseurs around here do.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:32 PM   #118 
                                         - Yep Mexican red Cross  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:37 PM   #120 
  - As a former rescue worker  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 04:20 PM   #66 
     - Having been the rescuer on more than one occasion...  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 04:48 PM   #72 
        - Perhaps you have never found  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:50 PM   #96 
           - That's an idiotic opinion to make based on what I've typed  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 07:21 PM   #113 
              - All I can tell is from your posts  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:25 PM   #115 
                 - Dismissive?  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 08:08 PM   #131 
                    - On a whole different matter how they choose the stories  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 08:16 PM   #133 
                       - Probably right about the foreigner thing.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 08:44 PM   #137 
                          - Yep the internets can be an interesting place  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 08:48 PM   #138 
  - A-MEN!!!!  Mad_Dem_X   Dec-19-06 03:48 PM   #54 
  - I agree. eom  eyepaddle   Dec-19-06 04:03 PM   #59 
  - I just think it was irresponsible to even attempt to climb the mountain  AngryAmish   Dec-19-06 04:17 PM   #65 
     - So your tolerance for risk is lower than these guys  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 04:22 PM   #67 
     - You were a rescue worker?  AngryAmish   Dec-19-06 04:54 PM   #74 
        - Are you a mountain climber?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 05:28 PM   #81 
        - Climbing Mt. Hood in December is irresponsible  AngryAmish   Dec-19-06 06:37 PM   #92 
        - In yuor view it is  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:01 PM   #103 
        - Then I take it you don't leave your house except to go to work or shopping.  piedmont   Dec-19-06 07:06 PM   #104 
        - Tell it to mountain climbers.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 07:42 PM   #122 
        - You don't have to be a chicken to recognize a rotten egg.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 06:56 PM   #99 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 05:30 PM   #82 
        - You know why I don't fill profiles on the web?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:59 PM   #101 
        - If you read the OP  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:55 PM   #98 
     - It is one of those things you can never understand unless you understand.  GumboYaYa   Dec-19-06 05:16 PM   #77 
        - A teeny epiphany  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 05:25 PM   #79 
        - Phillippe Petit:  La_Fourmi_Rouge   Dec-19-06 06:12 PM   #88 
        - Exactly right....  GumboYaYa   Dec-20-06 11:22 AM   #140 
        - But as an adult you do not climb  AngryAmish   Dec-19-06 06:40 PM   #93 
           - speak for your self -- your own life.  xchrom   Dec-19-06 07:08 PM   #105 
           - What a sad life you must lead, fearing the unnecessary risk. nt  piedmont   Dec-19-06 07:20 PM   #111 
              - And -taking- the unnecessary risk is ...what, noble?  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 08:06 PM   #130 
                 - Karl if we as a species did not take risks  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 08:10 PM   #132 
                 - Actually, back in the day, it was ARPA, before DARPA.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 08:27 PM   #134 
                    - Thanks for teh correction  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 08:34 PM   #135 
                 - Taking the unnecessary risk is part of life for most normal people.  piedmont   Dec-19-06 09:09 PM   #139 

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