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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. the worst storm was the night of 12/14 - 15. These men
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 02:21 PM by crappy diem
were disabled/dead sometime between Dec 9and 12.

See page 6 of The Oregonian timeline

Dec 7 they begin

Dec 8 Cooper Spur

Dec 9 leave James and head out. They made it 300 ft and
built another cave

Dec 10 Friends notify they are missing. James calls family.

Dec 11 phone ping @ 4:20 a.m. @10,300 ft. Rescue forced
back @ 8,500 ft

Dec 12 last ping @ 1 a.m. Rescue forced back @ 7,200 ft
Helo forced out @ 6K ft.

Dec 13 Weather keeps everyone off Hood

Dec 14 drones are launched and weather limits searchers to low
levels

Dec 15 storms

Dec 16 Forced back @ 10K ft

Dec 17 Find body

Besides whatever storms that come in, Mt Hood has its own
weather system. All year round.
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  -on the lost climbers and false outrage nadinbrzezinski  Dec-19-06 12:14 PM   #0 
  - Well said and god bless them.  sallyseven   Dec-19-06 12:20 PM   #1 
  - It seems to me the people complaining...  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 12:21 PM   #2 
  - Granted, but it is far more than just not  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 12:27 PM   #4 
  - Doesn't matter why the did it or what it costs to try to find them.  acmavm   Dec-19-06 12:25 PM   #3 
  - There is an element of class and race bias that sometimes rears its  mondo joe   Dec-19-06 12:27 PM   #5 
  - Yep  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 12:32 PM   #7 
  - I didn't originally believe that  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 02:14 PM   #32 
     - Of course. How have we all missed the obvious fact that mountains are  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:40 PM   #42 
        - Since Oklahoma has no mountains  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 02:52 PM   #46 
        - Oklahoma has plenty of mountains. Not 11,000 feet high but falling off  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 03:21 PM   #51 
           - Climbed by 'indigent minorities'  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 03:55 PM   #57 
              - Well, as you put it so delicately, shit happens.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 04:11 PM   #62 
                 - Here  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 04:51 PM   #73 
                    - This is TWO years old and from NEW ZEALAND for christs sake.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 05:27 PM   #80 
                       - rotflmao  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 05:30 PM   #83 
        - Hmm since I bought all the gear for mountain rescue  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:58 PM   #49 
  - It should be mandatory climbers carry a LOCATER device..  Tellurian   Dec-19-06 12:32 PM   #6 
  - It should be, it could be,  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 12:33 PM   #8 
  - No, they aren't "new". They have been available for 20 years.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 01:45 PM   #13 
  - Again it should be, it could be  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:49 PM   #17 
     - My airplane has an equivalent device, an ELT (emergency locater transmitter)  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:08 PM   # 
        - You want it to be required  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:12 PM   #31 
           - Nope, I don't have any desire to make it a law. I don't even like helmet laws  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:36 PM   #40 
              - Ok then I do have a different concept of what is  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:51 PM   #45 
  - The Mt Hood Mountain Locater units are not new.  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 01:48 PM   #16 
     - It should hve, it could have  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:50 PM   #19 
        - Your comment...it could be, it should be.. I took to  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 01:57 PM   #21 
           - Even if the units are not new  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:58 PM   #23 
              - I don't have false outrage. I have  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 02:10 PM   #28 
                 - Most clmbers actually have quite a bit of  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:12 PM   #29 
  - I had a sailor friend who refused to buy an EPIRB  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-19-06 03:53 PM   #55 
     - Interesting. I can see that if your sailor friend had no family or anyone  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 04:05 PM   #60 
        - Yup, "DNR" = Do not rescue.  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-19-06 04:55 PM   #75 
  - The US has become a nation of Randites - Ronald Reagan would be proud.  devilgrrl   Dec-19-06 12:34 PM   #9 
  - Yep, it is the me generation  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 12:36 PM   #10 
  - The Whole "Rich Climber" Thing  The Deacon   Dec-19-06 01:00 PM   #11 
  - Just remember  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:41 PM   #12 
  - The bad weather was not unexpected, it was very accurately forecasted  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 01:47 PM   #14 
  - Yuo mean the worst storm in the Northwest that surprsied  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:48 PM   #15 
     - LOL  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 01:57 PM   #22 
     - Yes, it was. It's a matter of historical record. Why do so many people deny facts?  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:02 PM   #24 
     - Ok assumiing you are corect  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:08 PM   #26 
     - The mountain is always "open." What, you think they put up a fence around  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:15 PM   #34 
     - Have you ever done any climbing  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:16 PM   #35 
        - Warnings? Yes, in some spots. The base of the mountain is  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:22 PM   #37 
           - Trail Heads... that works  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:24 PM   #38 
              - Every trail head was invented or discovered by someone at some point.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 02:38 PM   #41 
                 - And pray tell me why would they use an unknown route?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:52 PM   #47 
                    - I don't know what they might have done, but obviously there are people  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 03:25 PM   #52 
                       - According to media reports  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 04:12 PM   #63 
                          - I have pointed out that shit happens for 50 years. Nobody knows it better than I.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 04:33 PM   #70 
                             - And winter climbs have also happened for many years  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:47 PM   #95 
                                - And winter climbers don't generally die from stupidity.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 06:58 PM   #100 
                                   - Yeah that accidents still happen and that you are quite incapable  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:59 PM   #102 
                                      - That is a total fucking lie and I resent it.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:19 PM   #110 
                                         - Yes, it comes with the code  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:21 PM   #112 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 07:36 PM   #119 
                                            - You know what, it is called personal safety  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:42 PM   #121 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 07:47 PM   #123 
                                            - See you later child  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:48 PM   #124 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 07:48 PM   #125 
                                            - How am I a liar exactly  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:50 PM   #126 
                                            - Not you, nadinbrzezinski.  piedmont   Dec-19-06 07:54 PM   #128 
                                            - Oh I am sorry, you are right about that one  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:55 PM   #129 
     - Why assume he's correct?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 02:48 PM   #44 
        - I gave him the slight benefit of the doubt  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:53 PM   #48 
     - Do you have a link for that?  lukasahero   Dec-19-06 02:46 PM   #43 
     - the worst storm was the night of 12/14 - 15. These men  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 02:07 PM   #25 
        - Yes it does, all mountains do have their own weather system  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:09 PM   #27 
        - the last ping....I read article that said  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 02:12 PM   #30 
  - it's hard enough to get coverage in the MSM  maddezmom   Dec-19-06 01:49 PM   #18 
  - You noticed that as well?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 01:50 PM   #20 
  - Yes, we have become accustomed to deaths in the ME  crappy diem   Dec-19-06 02:14 PM   #33 
     - It is not Mt Houd, it would be the war on Christmas  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 02:18 PM   #36 
  - thanks...some people seem to lack historical perspective  onenote   Dec-19-06 02:34 PM   #39 
  - I'm always pissed off by stupidity...  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 03:05 PM   #50 
  - People do stupid things  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 03:33 PM   #53 
  - I disagree about James Kim...  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 04:05 PM   #61 
     - They lived in Eugene  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 04:29 PM   #68 
  - EXCELLENT post.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 03:54 PM   #56 
  - STUPID post  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 04:00 PM   #58 
     - Millions of species no longer exist because of stupidity.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 04:15 PM   #64 
     - You are absolutely wrong.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 04:29 PM   #69 
        - I'm not wrong  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 04:40 PM   #71 
           - Sigh.. not getting through to you.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 05:12 PM   #76 
              - You can't outsmart tragedy every time  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 05:21 PM   #78 
              - I believe he is..  sendero   Dec-19-06 05:56 PM   #86 
              - Uh, the evidence says otherwise.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 06:03 PM   #87 
                 - No it doesn't  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 06:29 PM   #90 
                    - They didn't take Locater beacons  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 06:43 PM   #94 
                       - Try again  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 07:27 PM   #117 
                          - How is that a "try again"  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 07:52 PM   #127 
                             - They did locate the pings  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 08:37 PM   #136 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 05:32 PM   #84 
              - I refuse to believe that anyone here is a Moran, even if they  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 06:35 PM   #91 
                 - There isn't any difference. And in a community of almost 100,000 there has to be  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 06:55 PM   #97 
              - This is brilliant.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 05:39 PM   #85 
                 - No... if you go back and read things again.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 06:20 PM   #89 
                    - I can clearly see you know what you're talking about. Ever see Fitton's Cave  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:09 PM   #106 
                       - No but that is because  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:12 PM   #107 
                          - Uh, I was replying to lapfog_1. Are you perchance drinking tonight?  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:15 PM   #108 
                             - No but obviously you are  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:17 PM   #109 
                                - I have personally rescued 48 people.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:24 PM   #114 
                                   - Really what agency?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:26 PM   #116 
                                      - I made that shit up. Just like a lot of poseurs around here do.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 07:32 PM   #118 
                                         - Yep Mexican red Cross  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:37 PM   #120 
  - As a former rescue worker  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 04:20 PM   #66 
     - Having been the rescuer on more than one occasion...  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 04:48 PM   #72 
        - Perhaps you have never found  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:50 PM   #96 
           - That's an idiotic opinion to make based on what I've typed  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 07:21 PM   #113 
              - All I can tell is from your posts  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:25 PM   #115 
                 - Dismissive?  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 08:08 PM   #131 
                    - On a whole different matter how they choose the stories  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 08:16 PM   #133 
                       - Probably right about the foreigner thing.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 08:44 PM   #137 
                          - Yep the internets can be an interesting place  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 08:48 PM   #138 
  - A-MEN!!!!  Mad_Dem_X   Dec-19-06 03:48 PM   #54 
  - I agree. eom  eyepaddle   Dec-19-06 04:03 PM   #59 
  - I just think it was irresponsible to even attempt to climb the mountain  AngryAmish   Dec-19-06 04:17 PM   #65 
     - So your tolerance for risk is lower than these guys  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 04:22 PM   #67 
     - You were a rescue worker?  AngryAmish   Dec-19-06 04:54 PM   #74 
        - Are you a mountain climber?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 05:28 PM   #81 
        - Climbing Mt. Hood in December is irresponsible  AngryAmish   Dec-19-06 06:37 PM   #92 
        - In yuor view it is  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 07:01 PM   #103 
        - Then I take it you don't leave your house except to go to work or shopping.  piedmont   Dec-19-06 07:06 PM   #104 
        - Tell it to mountain climbers.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-19-06 07:42 PM   #122 
        - You don't have to be a chicken to recognize a rotten egg.  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 06:56 PM   #99 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-06 05:30 PM   #82 
        - You know why I don't fill profiles on the web?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:59 PM   #101 
        - If you read the OP  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 06:55 PM   #98 
     - It is one of those things you can never understand unless you understand.  GumboYaYa   Dec-19-06 05:16 PM   #77 
        - A teeny epiphany  sandnsea   Dec-19-06 05:25 PM   #79 
        - Phillippe Petit:  La_Fourmi_Rouge   Dec-19-06 06:12 PM   #88 
        - Exactly right....  GumboYaYa   Dec-20-06 11:22 AM   #140 
        - But as an adult you do not climb  AngryAmish   Dec-19-06 06:40 PM   #93 
           - speak for your self -- your own life.  xchrom   Dec-19-06 07:08 PM   #105 
           - What a sad life you must lead, fearing the unnecessary risk. nt  piedmont   Dec-19-06 07:20 PM   #111 
              - And -taking- the unnecessary risk is ...what, noble?  karlrschneider   Dec-19-06 08:06 PM   #130 
                 - Karl if we as a species did not take risks  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 08:10 PM   #132 
                 - Actually, back in the day, it was ARPA, before DARPA.  lapfog_1   Dec-19-06 08:27 PM   #134 
                    - Thanks for teh correction  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-19-06 08:34 PM   #135 
                 - Taking the unnecessary risk is part of life for most normal people.  piedmont   Dec-19-06 09:09 PM   #139 
 

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