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64. So is that senator from Oregon whose term expires next year - Gordon.....
There'll be lots of critics by the time new election roll over. Some GOP-ers. Not all of them co-sponsors of the IWR!
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  -John Edwards supported the Iraq war more than Bush did. Bleachers7  Dec-17-06 10:47 AM   #0 
  - I Wish I Had The Pop Corn Icon  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 10:49 AM   #1 
  - Here ya go  Debi   Dec-17-06 10:51 AM   #5 
  - You have it, it's under smilies lookup table/message options when you hit reply! NT  MADem   Dec-17-06 10:57 AM   #15 
  - Am I spelling "Litmus Test" correctly?  autorank   Dec-17-06 01:51 PM   #133 
     - yeah, cuz the war is such a fun, light subject - glad you have  The Count   Dec-17-06 03:09 PM   #147 
     - No coke, but some butter for your popcorn:  The Count   Dec-17-06 03:36 PM   #155 
     - Who knows?  lfairban   Dec-17-06 09:17 PM   #196 
  - you're right, of course  bigtree   Dec-17-06 10:49 AM   #2 
  - Yeah , Because The War In Is No Longer Popular  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 10:50 AM   #4 
  - I know quite a few folks who have changed their position on th occupation  bigtree   Dec-17-06 10:51 AM   #7 
     - It's Unpopular Because It's A Catasphohe  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 10:53 AM   #11 
     - I don't know what you're getting at, but, I really don't need convincing  bigtree   Dec-17-06 10:58 AM   #17 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-06 02:35 PM   #143 
           - You Couldn't Be More Wrong If You Tried, Sparky....  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 03:11 PM   #148 
     - yes, but that's a bit beside the point, IMO....  mike_c   Dec-17-06 11:04 AM   #26 
     - or, he believed what he was saying  bigtree   Dec-17-06 12:00 PM   #56 
        - if he believed it then he swallowed obvious lies hook, line, and sinker....  mike_c   Dec-17-06 12:58 PM   #91 
        - the posturing you speak of isn't there  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:08 PM   #105 
           - then you're simply refusing to face the truth and nothing I can say...  mike_c   Dec-17-06 01:15 PM   #109 
              - I think Edwards was wrong in his judgment. Did you miss that?  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:20 PM   #114 
                 - judged by what they say, and especially what they do. Only lumping him with Joe  The Count   Dec-17-06 03:16 PM   #149 
        - If he believed it. it's even worse! A cynic or an idiot? What to chose?  The Count   Dec-17-06 03:35 PM   #154 
     - It's not just that it's become a catastrophe,  XemaSab   Dec-17-06 12:49 PM   #81 
     - that's not an unfair judgment at all  bigtree   Dec-17-06 12:57 PM   #90 
     - Anyone who did not know it would become a catastorphe was a  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 01:05 PM   #101 
     - of course, John Kerry spoke out *in opposition, extensively, about what Bush ultimately did  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:31 PM   #119 
        - and voted *for* the resolution most of us knew Bush would use as  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 01:44 PM   #128 
        - As pretext? I don't think Bush used the IWR as pretext. It was show.  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:51 PM   #132 
           - It gave him the figleaf of congressional support. I did use the wrong wording.  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 02:27 PM   #140 
        - I don't want kerry either. At least he didn't sponsor the IWR. other than that  The Count   Dec-17-06 03:25 PM   #152 
     - The problem was not going to war it was the handling of the war.  america_in_08   Dec-17-06 05:37 PM   #170 
        - Going to the war was wrong!!!  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 05:48 PM   #172 
           - I think war in Iraq was wrong, but many Americans  america_in_08   Dec-17-06 07:38 PM   #187 
  - How does that cleanse his hands of the blood?  pocoloco   Dec-17-06 10:57 AM   #16 
  - I don't know. I won't defend his support. I'm just stating the fact of his reversal.  bigtree   Dec-17-06 11:00 AM   #19 
     - Powell also reversed himself. earlier, more vocally than edwards.  The Count   Dec-17-06 01:10 PM   #108 
        - you should find someone who calls them 'innocent' to argue that point with  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:28 PM   #117 
        - Not a useful comparison, IMO  realpolitik   Dec-17-06 02:53 PM   #144 
           - That was NOT Courage!  Pithy Cherub   Dec-17-06 03:01 PM   #145 
           - My take is that having to admit a mistake  realpolitik   Dec-17-06 07:12 PM   #183 
              - Since Edwards is proven Courage-lite  Pithy Cherub   Dec-17-06 07:56 PM   #189 
           - Freshman? Intelligence committee - read his speeches: I KNEW" is the  The Count   Dec-17-06 03:19 PM   #150 
  - Not even on the eve of the election  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 10:59 AM   #18 
     - He's Not The First Leader To Make A Politically Calculated Decision  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 11:03 AM   #23 
     - does that apply to everyone who has changed their mind?  bigtree   Dec-17-06 11:03 AM   #24 
        - Yes  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 11:05 AM   #28 
        - You Said The War Was A Catastrophe  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 11:07 AM   #30 
        - So J. Edwards only supports "successful" criminal US aggression.  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 01:15 PM   #110 
           - That wasn't the entirety of his reasoning for changing his mind  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:27 PM   #116 
              - And Edwards has proven himself to be a dull & opportunistic.  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 01:40 PM   #123 
                 - that's the question for Edwards, I believe. How could he believe Bush?  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:48 PM   #130 
                 - Another fatal embrace, imo. eom  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 02:30 PM   #141 
                 - Edwards spit out the lies of W  Erika   Dec-17-06 11:57 PM   #208 
        - Whatever the reason, it speaks to judgement. How do I know that if elected  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:22 PM   #65 
        - I agree that it speaks to his judgment  bigtree   Dec-17-06 12:29 PM   #71 
           - OMG  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 04:01 PM   #156 
        - When did he correct his monumental lapse of judgment  Pithy Cherub   Dec-17-06 12:32 PM   #73 
           - it's clearly going to be a determinate for many primary voters.  bigtree   Dec-17-06 12:41 PM   #75 
              - besides primaries, strategery - what about responsiblity, integrity?  The Count   Dec-17-06 01:08 PM   #106 
                 - you want to lynch him, or are we still talking politics?  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:17 PM   #112 
                    - I wasn't talking politics, and war is not "one issue". it's life and death.  The Count   Dec-17-06 01:29 PM   #118 
                       - Of course it IS just one issue in the choosing of our president  bigtree   Dec-17-06 01:34 PM   #121 
  - Any links to speeches made by other Democratic Senators  Debi   Dec-17-06 10:50 AM   #3 
  - I Won't Support Any Of Them In The Primaries  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 10:51 AM   #6 
  - Good! n/t  Debi   Dec-17-06 10:52 AM   #9 
  - Hey Debi...  Inspired   Dec-17-06 11:19 AM   #38 
     - Uh oh.  MaggieSwanson   Dec-17-06 11:43 AM   #48 
     - I (heart) you Maggie!!!  Debi   Dec-17-06 11:57 AM   #55 
     - Please view my entire sig line  Debi   Dec-17-06 11:56 AM   #54 
        - My bad.  Inspired   Dec-17-06 01:38 PM   #122 
  - I got off that boat in 2004.  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 11:01 AM   #21 
  - We can find them if we need to.  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 11:00 AM   #20 
  - Maybe not, but he's one of the few Dems co-sponsors of the IWR (with Joementum)  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:23 PM   #67 
     - Does that make those who *only* voted for the IWR  Debi   Dec-17-06 12:44 PM   #77 
        - Patriot Act & IWR - the 2 things he was most proud of - bragged in all press  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:51 PM   #82 
  - Ouch. nt  Drum   Dec-17-06 10:52 AM   #8 
  - He was also the first in '03 to admit he was wrong  MOB   Dec-17-06 10:52 AM   #10 
  - Which By Then The War Was FUBAR  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 10:54 AM   #13 
  - Prove it.  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 11:02 AM   #22 
  - You are reading too much into '04 quote  MOB   Dec-17-06 11:17 AM   #37 
  - Yeah, I must have slept through that apology.  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 04:12 PM   #158 
  - He did apologize in 2006  EstimatedProphet   Dec-17-06 08:44 PM   #193 
  - 2003? What did he admit in 2003?  The Count   Dec-17-06 01:06 PM   #103 
  - And So Did Hillary Clinton.....  rsmith6621   Dec-17-06 10:54 AM   #12 
  - Trying to deflect from Edwards will not work.  William769   Dec-17-06 11:16 AM   #36 
     - Politics is All about deflection...  rsmith6621   Dec-17-06 11:30 AM   #41 
  - Rut roh...  Kahuna   Dec-17-06 10:56 AM   #14 
  - Saying "I was wrong" and "I take responsibility" is weak  jgraz   Dec-17-06 11:03 AM   #25 
  - Flip-Flop!!!  derzocrat   Dec-17-06 11:11 AM   # 
  - Nice Red Herring....  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 11:21 AM   #39 
  - Of course I never said anything remotely like that  jgraz   Dec-17-06 12:51 PM   #83 
  - As I recall, * "promised" to seek a 2nd UN resolution  bigbrother05   Dec-17-06 12:27 PM   #69 
  - Well in all fairness  treestar   Dec-17-06 11:05 AM   #27 
  - 23 Senators  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 11:06 AM   #29 
  - My Ex -Senator Who Is From A Purple State Opposed  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 11:13 AM   #34 
  - And so the circular firing squad reconvenes.  Liberal Veteran   Dec-17-06 11:10 AM   #31 
  - John Edwards Seems Like A Good Guy.  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-17-06 11:16 AM   #35 
  - In this case Edwards shot himself.  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 11:32 AM   #42 
  - Of course leaving out anything that may have been said since.  Liberal Veteran   Dec-17-06 11:38 AM   #45 
     - In the last sentence at the end of links he implies Saddam responsible for 9/11....  KoKo01   Dec-17-06 01:32 PM   # 
     - Edwards knew it was a disaster by October 2004.  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 01:50 PM   #131 
        - Yes....that's what bothers me the most about him...his statements are very  KoKo01   Dec-17-06 05:20 PM   #168 
  - It has been posted a million times in GD:P fourm.  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 12:52 PM   #85 
  - I can not vote for any of those that were trying to be bigger conservatives than  LiberalArkie   Dec-17-06 11:11 AM   #32 
  - Seems we attack our own far more than the RW can conceive...  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 11:12 AM   #33 
  - From 2002-2004 Edwards better articulated the reasons to attack Iraq than Bush  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 11:34 AM   #43 
     - Arguably Edwards articulates EVERYTHING better than Bush*  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 11:37 AM   #44 
        - Yes, which is why we must not elect someone simply good at articulation  AchtungToddler   Dec-17-06 02:04 PM   #136 
  - Good post Bleachers7 (and a Nom)  wakeme2008   Dec-17-06 11:25 AM   #40 
  - And I for one would still vote for Edwards in 2008  dmordue   Dec-17-06 11:39 AM   #46 
  - I also would still vote for Edwards  Digit   Dec-17-06 12:04 PM   #59 
  - You are correct  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 01:40 PM   #124 
  - Let's also crucify Senator Byrd....once a racist, always a racist, right?  Liberal Veteran   Dec-17-06 11:42 AM   #47 
  - what people always forget to remember  SoFlaJet   Dec-17-06 11:44 AM   #49 
  - you are absolutely right.  William769   Dec-17-06 11:48 AM   #50 
  - Over 100 members of Congress  MaggieSwanson   Dec-17-06 11:50 AM   #51 
  - yea I did too  SoFlaJet   Dec-17-06 12:00 PM   #57 
  - yep  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 12:18 PM   #63 
  - Those who chose to believe Bush's presentation  Pithy Cherub   Dec-17-06 12:42 PM   #76 
  - EDWARDZ IS A FLIP-FLOPER! THIS IS HUGH!11111!  Lex   Dec-17-06 11:50 AM   #52 
  - Lets cast aparagus on him!!!!  Liberal Veteran   Dec-17-06 11:53 AM   #53 
  - oh please  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 12:26 PM   #68 
     - Ummm  Lex   Dec-17-06 12:56 PM   #87 
        - my fault  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 12:57 PM   #89 
  - I appreciate the info on Edwards  pettypace   Dec-17-06 12:04 PM   #58 
  - We still have a war because we had a pro-war ticket in 2004.  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:11 PM   #60 
  - "I would have started the war, had I been in office" Co-sponsored the IWR!  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:14 PM   #61 
  - . . . based on what he was told the intel was then  Lex   Dec-17-06 12:52 PM   #84 
     - BAH! He heard good, precient warriors and statesmen testify against going to war before congress  AchtungToddler   Dec-17-06 02:09 PM   #137 
     - Very good point Lex  seashorelady   Dec-17-06 08:27 PM   #192 
  - but that is not the status quo  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 12:14 PM   #62 
  - So is that senator from Oregon whose term expires next year - Gordon.....  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:20 PM   #64 
  - Edwards has been a long time critic of the war  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 12:22 PM   #66 
     - How long? he co-sponsored the damn IWR!!!!!! he and Joe!  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:27 PM   #70 
     - over a year  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 12:32 PM   #72 
        - Over a year? Okey dokey then. All the blood up to that moment is washed off his hands...  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:39 PM   #74 
        - what's the point in arguing with you?  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 12:47 PM   #79 
           - The biggest mistake of the century - this war he co-sponsored  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:57 PM   #88 
              - SO DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.  Lex   Dec-17-06 12:59 PM   #92 
              - Not good enough. I'll actively camaign against him&the rest of the warmongers  The Count   Dec-17-06 03:29 PM   #153 
              - I did not ask you to vote for him.  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 01:03 PM   #98 
        - While the apology is nice, why couldn't he see what millions around the globe saw.  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 01:23 PM   #115 
     - He could have opposed it October 8, 2004 and didn't.  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 01:43 PM   #126 
  - I don't want to spend all of 2008 what Edwards position is, was, or might have been  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 01:42 PM   #125 
  - you know what Edwards position on the war is.  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 04:55 PM   #165 
  - Uhhhhhhh  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 04:26 PM   #161 
  - So you're saying that Dubya  PsN2Wind   Dec-17-06 12:46 PM   #78 
  - Exactly. It's ridiculous to say that it's all Edwards fault.  Lex   Dec-17-06 12:54 PM   #86 
  - "ALL EDWARDS FAULT?" No. There's enough fault to go around. To all accomplices.  The Count   Dec-17-06 12:59 PM   #93 
  - Well, good. What you "want" has been duly noted.  Lex   Dec-17-06 01:01 PM   #95 
     - By whom?  The Count   Dec-17-06 01:04 PM   #100 
        - By everyone who cares.  Lex   Dec-17-06 01:05 PM   #102 
  - If there were justice in this world, Bush would be tried for war crimes  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 01:18 PM   #113 
  - Edwards is already done.  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 01:43 PM   #127 
  - Thank you for showing that he makes mistakes and can learn when shown new info  uppityperson   Dec-17-06 12:48 PM   #80 
  - But how many need to die for his "learnin"? How about getting a responsible,  The Count   Dec-17-06 01:00 PM   #94 
     - Yes, no good Presidents ever make the wrong the call.  Lex   Dec-17-06 01:03 PM   #97 
     - Starting disastruous wars for no reason? No longer a good President at this point  The Count   Dec-17-06 01:04 PM   #99 
     - So if he gets the nomination, you're saying you wouldn't vote for him?  Lex   Dec-17-06 01:08 PM   #104 
        - I would vote green for the first time in my life,  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 04:34 PM   #162 
           - In that case, then you need to go to "Green Underground"  Lex   Dec-17-06 06:53 PM   #179 
              - and the sooner the better n/t  Erika   Dec-17-06 11:54 PM   #207 
     - No, but the wrong call can keep you from becomg president.  Bleachers7   Dec-17-06 01:45 PM   #129 
     - That would be nice and I'd like to know also.  uppityperson   Dec-17-06 01:16 PM   #111 
  - DLC POS fool.  Tom Joad   Dec-17-06 01:01 PM   #96 
  - er..uhmm...:points off in other direction: Hey look, poor people!  AchtungToddler   Dec-17-06 01:10 PM   #107 
  - black poor people - NOLA. I did nothing for them, but I look good announcing  The Count   Dec-17-06 01:32 PM   #120 
     - Educate yourself  Lex   Dec-17-06 01:59 PM   #134 
     - Why you cynical bastard!  AchtungToddler   Dec-17-06 01:59 PM   #135 
  - Who gives tuppence if he voted for the war! For all he knew, for all anyone  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Dec-17-06 02:12 PM   #138 
  - War is a 'wedge issue"? Like the flag burning? Okey dokey. Silly me, i thought  The Count   Dec-17-06 03:07 PM   #146 
  - Edwards  Pastiche423   Dec-17-06 02:14 PM   #139 
  - Touche Pastiche. . .  Lena inRI   Dec-17-06 04:13 PM   #159 
  - Link?  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 05:18 PM   #167 
  - Did he author the sunset clause?  1932   Dec-17-06 09:42 PM   #201 
  - JFK ran to the right of Nixon in '60 on communism.  1932   Dec-17-06 02:33 PM   #142 
  - Not correct.  LoZoccolo   Dec-17-06 03:19 PM   #151 
     - Did anyone view the debate tween Cheney vs Edwards?  Disturbed   Dec-17-06 04:09 PM   #157 
     - You're in a small minority  1932   Dec-17-06 06:51 PM   #178 
     - I agree with you  Laurab   Dec-17-06 09:26 PM   #197 
     - I was disappointed that he did not correct Cheney  LetsGoMurphys   Dec-18-06 01:56 AM   #215 
     - I agree  Bleachers7   Dec-18-06 09:27 AM   #223 
     - I don't see how that statement invalidates post #142  wuushew   Dec-17-06 04:25 PM   #160 
     - And they were both wrong for Latin America  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 04:43 PM   #164 
     - I thought that too until I read The Pinochet File.  1932   Dec-17-06 06:49 PM   #176 
        - If I can get it online, I might look at it.  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 07:11 PM   #182 
     - Agreed that they differed.  LoZoccolo   Dec-17-06 06:10 PM   #174 
     - Not exactly. Some interventions can be liberal. Some are imperialist.  1932   Dec-17-06 06:48 PM   #175 
     - No. But that wasn't my argument.  LoZoccolo   Dec-17-06 06:57 PM   #180 
        - Is this another one of your "I don't say what I mean" Socratic winding paths?  1932   Dec-17-06 09:40 PM   #199 
           - Why did you switch terms - "interventionism" vs. "interventions"? n/t  LoZoccolo   Dec-17-06 09:56 PM   #202 
     - correct n/t  LetsGoMurphys   Dec-18-06 01:54 AM   #214 
  - Breaking! Bush gets a Free Pass on DU !  Catchawave   Dec-17-06 04:35 PM   #163 
  - it's all muckraking  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 05:28 PM   #169 
  - I should know better Matt  Catchawave   Dec-17-06 05:44 PM   #171 
     - no problem  MATTMAN   Dec-17-06 05:53 PM   #173 
     - bush is not getting a free ride  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 07:22 PM   #184 
     - I beg your pardon?  Catchawave   Dec-17-06 08:01 PM   #190 
        - Sorry about that, I judged you by others in 2004  rebel with a cause   Dec-17-06 08:20 PM   #191 
     - Amen  Erika   Dec-17-06 11:52 PM   #206 
  - He said it, not me.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-06 09:24 AM   #221 
  - to be fair  thatsrightimirish   Dec-17-06 05:10 PM   #166 
  - Yeah, I guess all these people hating on Edwards didn't vote for Kerry either.  Lex   Dec-17-06 06:50 PM   #177 
  - I don't support Kerry for the same reason.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-06 09:26 AM   #222 
  - I don't have a litmus test but only DK has (always) had the correct  burythehatchet   Dec-17-06 06:58 PM   #181 
  - Thanks, I had no idea  neebob   Dec-17-06 07:26 PM   #185 
  - Thanks . . . we did not work our asses off in Nov to put in a "centrist," nt  mistertrickster   Dec-17-06 07:32 PM   #186 
  - Hear hear!!!  jgraz   Dec-17-06 07:42 PM   #188 
  - So let's keep Hillary out  Erika   Dec-18-06 12:02 AM   #209 
     - Agreed. Edwards did say he was wrong. Haven't heard that from Hillary. nt  mistertrickster   Dec-18-06 08:48 AM   #218 
  - He has apologized, which is more than a lot of them  EstimatedProphet   Dec-17-06 08:46 PM   #194 
  - Why are Dems slamming Dems?  illinoisprogressive   Dec-17-06 09:16 PM   #195 
  - Edwards is fantastic  Erika   Dec-18-06 12:19 AM   #211 
  - Your assessment goes a tad too far...Bush wanted the war more than the Devil  zulchzulu   Dec-17-06 09:38 PM   #198 
  - Edwards said that Washington shouldn't rule out the use of military force in Iran.  NCarolinawoman   Dec-17-06 09:40 PM   #200 
  - Noo...The "long time war critic" said that? here it is folks - a trigger happy  The Count   Dec-17-06 10:43 PM   #203 
  - Thanks for posting that link.  nicknameless   Dec-18-06 06:41 AM   #216 
  - Oops!  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-17-06 10:44 PM   #204 
  - Let me guess. You're a Clark supporter, right?  laureloak   Dec-17-06 10:54 PM   #205 
  - Yep Agreed 100%  Erika   Dec-18-06 12:05 AM   #210 
  - Another Erika post taking a jab at Wes Clark  Quixote1818   Dec-18-06 01:47 AM   #213 
  - Let me guess. You always jump to that assumption don't you?  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-18-06 01:18 AM   #212 
  - Not in 2008,  Bleachers7   Dec-18-06 09:21 AM   #219 
  - Hey Bleachers7, you want some salt on that  maine_raptor   Dec-18-06 06:48 AM   #217 
  - This is one of my top concerns regarding Edwards.  jsamuel   Dec-18-06 09:21 AM   #220 
  - locking...  Moderator   Dec-18-06 09:28 AM   #224 
 

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