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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #103
108. But why would it end research?
If the research is that important, survival level important, isn't it worth the price?

"Of course, you don't care, because you're lucky enough to be healthy."

Keep telling yourself that I don't care.

"You also don't care that simply by existing, you're inhibiting the progress of the bacteria your body naturally kills on a regular basis"

Yes, that's a natual process. That's existence fighting against itself to a balance. That's called evolution. What we do in labs is not.

I have yet to stop one test being done to anything. So I'm on no crusade. Again, that's power and control, and I want none of it.
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  -**Canadian scientists CURE diabetes in mice** Bluebear  Dec-17-06 12:45 AM   #0 
  - Yay!  otherlander   Dec-17-06 12:46 AM   #1 
  - This is AWESOME! Rec. #1.  Maddy McCall   Dec-17-06 12:47 AM   #2 
  - Yep. It's even greater news for mice!  TahitiNut   Dec-17-06 07:51 PM   #71 
  - Lets all hope for the Best...quickly I might add....I have type 2 and hope the cure comes before my  opihimoimoi   Dec-17-06 12:49 AM   #3 
  - Here's yesterday's LBN thread on this potentially awesome breakthrough.  Wonk   Dec-17-06 01:07 AM   #4 
  - Yay Team Science!!!  Az   Dec-17-06 01:09 AM   #5 
  - Science = 1, Bible = 0 ... Science wins!  file83   Dec-17-06 12:30 PM   #26 
     - The bible had the cure in it a long time ago  The Straight Story   Dec-17-06 12:51 PM   #28 
     - Maybe it's in  svpadgham   Dec-17-06 02:30 PM   #32 
     - That's hardly fair.  Clark2008   Dec-18-06 06:07 AM   #90 
        - Tsk, tsk, you took my joke seriously.  file83   Dec-18-06 08:54 PM   #144 
  - Please, please, please work and soon.  aquart   Dec-17-06 01:11 AM   #6 
  - You mean praying to Jesus didn't do it?  krispos42   Dec-17-06 02:06 AM   #7 
  - Somehow I 'fear' that this will work better on mice than men.......  Mind_your_head   Dec-17-06 02:14 AM   #8 
  - Big Pharm  svpadgham   Dec-17-06 02:32 PM   #35 
  - I agree  EvolveOrConvolve   Dec-17-06 03:48 PM   #41 
  - Nonsense  Patiod   Dec-17-06 05:03 PM   #48 
     - Lee Iacocca disagrees with you..  sendero   Dec-17-06 06:42 PM   #68 
        - I still think that view is simplistic  Patiod   Dec-17-06 08:13 PM   #72 
           - You cannot expect me ..  sendero   Dec-17-06 08:34 PM   #74 
              - Type I sucks.  Patiod   Dec-17-06 09:13 PM   #75 
  - Your post is odd, since you don't seem to have been someone privy to the study.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-17-06 06:18 PM   #63 
  - I would say the cost would be  samplegirl   Dec-17-06 02:34 AM   #9 
  - Terrific...if you're a mouse  Raine   Dec-17-06 02:40 AM   #10 
  - Well, if there IS a neurophysiological connection, this is certainly a hopeful bit of news.  NV1962   Dec-17-06 03:29 AM   #11 
     - Canada 2, diabetes 0  KamaAina   Dec-18-06 12:29 PM   #128 
  - It's certainly good to have another avenue of research...  Zookeeper   Dec-17-06 04:42 AM   #12 
  - Frederick Banting and his dogs would be proud nt  MookieWilson   Dec-17-06 06:53 AM   #13 
  - Where are the "ban animal testing" folks?  yibbehobba   Dec-17-06 07:32 AM   #14 
  - I dunno  Lurking Dem   Dec-17-06 08:46 AM   #15 
  - Better to be spade than clubbed  Stuckinthebush   Dec-17-06 09:01 AM   #16 
  - .  Lurking Dem   Dec-17-06 09:12 AM   #17 
  - A heartless comment  Jackpine Radical   Dec-17-06 04:42 PM   #42 
     - I am well suited for it  Stuckinthebush   Dec-18-06 09:00 AM   #99 
  - I try to avoid engaging them in discussion.  yibbehobba   Dec-17-06 10:49 AM   #21 
  - I love it when people put animals ahead of people  rockymountaindem   Dec-17-06 12:48 PM   #27 
     - Apparently.  Lurking Dem   Dec-17-06 05:29 PM   #54 
  - Still not sure  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 01:27 PM   #30 
  - Well, in that case...  yibbehobba   Dec-17-06 02:32 PM   #34 
     - Not a chance  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 03:20 PM   #36 
        - Well, good.  yibbehobba   Dec-17-06 03:29 PM   #39 
        - Don't have kids  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 04:53 PM   #43 
           - You're right... you did lose.  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 04:55 PM   #45 
           - Ouch. Way to rub it in  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 05:13 PM   #50 
              - Just emphasizing how utterly wrong you are. (n/t)  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 05:18 PM   #51 
                 - I've already been proven wrong before the issue came up  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 05:27 PM   #53 
                    - Prove mice can even believe anything. (n/t)  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 05:35 PM   #58 
                       - Prove they can't  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 06:07 PM   #62 
                          - Um... if you reject definitions then language is meaningless. (n/t)  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 06:26 PM   #65 
                             - Kind of tough to prove  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 09:30 PM   #76 
                                - Hence the process of coming to terms.  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 09:34 PM   #77 
                                   - That's pretty much what everyone has ever fought for  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 09:48 PM   #80 
                                      - Strawmen, what a surprise. (n/t)  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 11:02 PM   #83 
                                         - Or accurate  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 07:00 AM   #91 
           - What the fuck is "mouse progress?"  yibbehobba   Dec-17-06 05:00 PM   #46 
              - Exactly  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 05:18 PM   #52 
                 - See, this is why I tend to avoid discussions with you people.  yibbehobba   Dec-17-06 05:32 PM   #55 
                    - But this is why I love discussions with you people  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 06:18 PM   #64 
                       - Human life is more important to humans than mouse life.  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 07:01 PM   #69 
                          - Why not lab humans?  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 09:41 PM   #79 
                             - More strawmen.  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 11:03 PM   #84 
                                - All I said was go get experimented on  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 07:05 AM   #92 
                                   - Mice are used for numerous reasons.  Lurking Dem   Dec-18-06 08:15 AM   #95 
                                      - We do this for numerous reasons too  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 08:47 AM   #96 
                                         - Helluva strawman.  Lurking Dem   Dec-18-06 08:53 AM   #97 
                                            - He doesn't care.  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 10:36 AM   #104 
                                            - Didn't say medication is bad  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 11:02 AM   #109 
                                            - It's clear from your statements  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 11:05 AM   #111 
                                            - Stop saying I'm against medication  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 11:16 AM   #112 
                                            - Do you support the production of Remicade?  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 11:23 AM   #113 
                                            - I'm not going to stop the production  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 11:35 AM   #115 
                                            - Do you think it's immoral?  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 11:39 AM   #117 
                                            - You live in the reality that is 2006  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 11:54 AM   #118 
                                            - He's just pointing out where your line is drawn.  Lurking Dem   Dec-18-06 12:00 PM   #119 
                                            - Then you're reading a different argument  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 12:13 PM   #124 
                                            - The problem is in your justification for that position.  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 12:17 PM   #126 
                                            - My justification  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 12:45 PM   #129 
                                            - Why should human beings be willing to be tested?  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 01:06 PM   #135 
                                            - What are the restrictions?  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 01:24 PM   #136 
                                            - Does existence have a capacity to judge "importance?"  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 01:29 PM   #137 
                                            - I bring bathing up because it's just as unnatural.  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 12:08 PM   #123 
                                            - That's evolution  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 12:28 PM   #127 
                                            - So then we're not killing the whole of life on the planet  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 10:48 AM   #107 
        - I bet you don't have anyone in your family that has a medical condition.  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 04:54 PM   #44 
           - Like I said, we can do all the testing we want  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 05:10 PM   #49 
              - You need a reality check with the food chain  mconvente   Dec-17-06 06:32 PM   #66 
              - Apparently, the NOD mouse  Lurking Dem   Dec-17-06 06:36 PM   #67 
              - Like I said, what we're doing is completely rational  NoMoreMyths   Dec-17-06 09:35 PM   #78 
                 - It's hardly chance that lions eat gazelles. (n/t)  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 11:05 PM   #85 
                 - How is there any difference?  Conan_The_Barbarian   Dec-17-06 11:29 PM   #88 
                 - It's completely rational  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 07:19 AM   #94 
                 - Depends on what type of definition of "chance" - hear me out  mconvente   Dec-18-06 06:03 PM   #143 
              - It's really too bad that we can't trade immune systems.  kiahzero   Dec-17-06 11:21 PM   #87 
                 - Test on humans for human progress  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 07:08 AM   #93 
                    - That would end effective medical research.  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 10:33 AM   #103 
                       - But why would it end research?  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 10:57 AM   #108 
                          - Ah, I see.  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 11:03 AM   #110 
                             - Damn, I'm pretty sure we have a pill for rage  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 11:28 AM   #114 
                                - All I'm saying is that your arguments suck.  kiahzero   Dec-18-06 11:36 AM   #116 
                                - That's true  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 12:04 PM   #120 
                                - You didn't address the issue  Lurking Dem   Dec-18-06 12:07 PM   #122 
                                   - No, I won't  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 12:50 PM   #130 
                                      - I think you mean you "can't".  Lurking Dem   Dec-18-06 12:57 PM   #131 
                                         - Can't works  NoMoreMyths   Dec-18-06 01:43 PM   #142 
  - I'm right here, genius  DrunkenMaster   Dec-18-06 10:38 AM   #105 
  - My outlook on this as a Type 1 for 45 years  IDemo   Dec-17-06 09:31 AM   #18 
  - If this actually turns out to be a cure  Lurking Dem   Dec-17-06 09:38 AM   #19 
  - That sounds great  IDemo   Dec-17-06 10:04 AM   #20 
  - Don't sell hope short.  Bluebear   Dec-17-06 10:53 AM   #22 
     - I have hope, but tempered with experience  IDemo   Dec-17-06 11:14 AM   #25 
        - Yes. People tell me constantly about new "cures"  Zookeeper   Dec-17-06 07:47 PM   #70 
  - I will so be there....  LynzM   Dec-17-06 01:18 PM   #29 
     - I'm right in the middle with you.  Lurking Dem   Dec-17-06 03:26 PM   #38 
  - Again with the tinfoil hats, people  Patiod   Dec-17-06 05:32 PM   #57 
  - More here, from The Toronto Star....  SidDithers   Dec-17-06 11:08 AM   #23 
  - "the team's findings have no relevance to people who already have Type 1 diabetes."  IDemo   Dec-17-06 02:30 PM   #33 
     - Yup, guess so.  LynzM   Dec-17-06 03:45 PM   #40 
     - Ahh but it does.  Lurking Dem   Dec-17-06 05:32 PM   #56 
  - This is also up on the JDRF website  berni_mccoy   Dec-17-06 11:13 AM   #24 
  - OMG - We have to suppress this  TheFarseer   Dec-17-06 01:33 PM   #31 
  - Sell more viagra. n/t  yibbehobba   Dec-17-06 05:01 PM   #47 
  - OMG, take off the hat!  Patiod   Dec-17-06 05:36 PM   #59 
  - Very Cool  proud patriot   Dec-17-06 03:22 PM   #37 
  - Very cool indeed!  TommyO   Dec-18-06 06:03 AM   #89 
  - Time for the U.S. pharmaceutical companies to step in and try to somehow...  Minnesota_Lib   Dec-17-06 05:36 PM   #60 
  - No one who works there has family with diabetes?  Patiod   Dec-17-06 08:32 PM   #73 
  - I may never have to hear Wilford Brimley say "diabeetis" again!  name not needed   Dec-17-06 05:42 PM   #61 
  - Thanks for the infor and for the discussion n/t  truedelphi   Dec-17-06 10:02 PM   #81 
  - Yet another omen that the Leafs will win the cup this year.  Telly Savalas   Dec-17-06 10:51 PM   #82 
  - I will volunteer for the trials. God bless smart people and god bless  roguevalley   Dec-17-06 11:14 PM   #86 
  - Just to clarify  IDemo   Dec-18-06 08:55 AM   #98 
  - Not to differ with you, but the article said clearly this was a REVERSAL  Bluebear   Dec-18-06 09:02 AM   #100 
     - From the Toronto Star article:  IDemo   Dec-18-06 09:17 AM   #101 
     - It should also be noted that complete beta cell destruction does take time  IDemo   Dec-18-06 09:44 AM   #102 
  - Animal Testing is NOT Accurate!  DrunkenMaster   Dec-18-06 10:43 AM   #106 
  - Tell it to the scientists.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-18-06 12:06 PM   #121 
     - is false analaogy all you are capable of?  DrunkenMaster   Dec-18-06 01:02 PM   #132 
        - Why is it a false analogy?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-18-06 01:05 PM   #134 
        - As for your arguments themselves...  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-18-06 01:34 PM   #140 
  - Wow!  negativenihil   Dec-18-06 12:14 PM   #125 
  - Another promising story from last April  IDemo   Dec-18-06 01:05 PM   #133 
  - If I May Humbly Suggest  DrunkenMaster   Dec-18-06 01:32 PM   #138 
  - I'm not seeing how your arguments fit.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-18-06 01:36 PM   #141 
  - self-delete, repeat  DrunkenMaster   Dec-18-06 01:32 PM   #139 
 

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