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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #71
121. No exoneration until acquittal...
... and no one claims others are complicit in crimes they will not acknowledge themselves.

"I didn't kill that guy and besides the Dems helped me do it!"

Come on. That just doesn't make sense.

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  -Only Impeachment. Only Impeachment... Senator  Dec-12-06 08:20 PM   #0 
  - followed by indictment, conviction, and imprisonment....  mike_c   Dec-12-06 08:24 PM   #1 
  - Hear, hear!  Patsy Stone   Dec-12-06 09:58 PM   #8 
  - Rinse. Repeat. (Ubetcha!)  TahitiNut   Dec-12-06 10:37 PM   #12 
  - Only if hanging within 30 days is an option (nt)  frankly_fedup2   Dec-13-06 07:10 PM   #74 
  - "reversal of every act and appointment"  Gregorian   Dec-12-06 08:32 PM   #2 
  - Sorry, not a "real" Senator  Senator   Dec-12-06 09:54 PM   #7 
     - Ding Ding Ding WINNER WINNER Ding Ding Ding  chknltl   Dec-13-06 10:44 PM   #88 
  - Bravo! Bravo!  Golden Raisin   Dec-12-06 09:16 PM   #3 
  - Do you actually believe that ?  MazeRat7   Dec-12-06 09:24 PM   #4 
  - Of course  Senator   Dec-13-06 01:01 AM   #15 
     - You're welcome to join the reality-based community any time you like.  Nabeshin   Dec-15-06 01:21 PM   #132 
  - Got to to, got to go n/t  NNN0LHI   Dec-12-06 09:27 PM   #5 
  - Only impeachment can give us President Cheney  Raskolnik   Dec-12-06 09:29 PM   #6 
  - Even if that were not even more unlikely than impeachment itself  Senator   Dec-12-06 10:32 PM   #11 
  - Unlikely? Who do you think becomes President if Bush is removed?  Raskolnik   Dec-13-06 08:32 AM   #26 
  - "There is 0% chance. . .  pat_k   Dec-13-06 11:43 AM   #33 
     - 0% chance  Raskolnik   Dec-13-06 12:10 PM   #36 
        - Can't know how many will choose to defend the indefensible until. . .  pat_k   Dec-13-06 12:25 PM   #39 
        - No, we really *can* know.  Raskolnik   Dec-13-06 12:33 PM   #40 
        - Q: Are humans omniscient? A: No  pat_k   Dec-13-06 12:37 PM   #41 
           - The sun will come up tomorrow, kittens will remain adorable  Raskolnik   Dec-13-06 12:43 PM   #45 
              - Predictions on scientific theory don't require omniscience. . .  pat_k   Dec-13-06 12:56 PM   #47 
                 - Applying common sense, logic, and past experience is not claiming "omniscience"  Raskolnik   Dec-13-06 01:32 PM   #54 
        - No; Republican lawmakers want to appeal to Republican voters most.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-13-06 01:07 PM   #50 
           - Actually you are very wrong.  H2O Man   Dec-13-06 02:37 PM   #59 
              - Nixon was not impeached.  GOTV   Dec-13-06 03:01 PM   #63 
                 - Once the investigations start  conscious evolution   Dec-13-06 07:18 PM   #75 
                 - Perhaps. I hope so. But you're right that investigations, not impeachment, is the first step.  GOTV   Dec-15-06 08:48 AM   #119 
                 - Clown. n/t  H2O Man   Dec-13-06 07:41 PM   #76 
        - I call Bullshit  ItsTheMediaStupid   Dec-13-06 09:05 PM   #80 
  - No, it requires 67 Senators willing to convict... name them.  GOTV   Dec-13-06 02:26 PM   #57 
     - Just start investigating. 67 will appear  ItsTheMediaStupid   Dec-13-06 09:24 PM   #81 
        - I think you're right. Investigations are where we start. Not impeachment.  GOTV   Dec-15-06 08:49 AM   #120 
  - So let him run. WHO is going to vote for him?  Maraya1969   Dec-13-06 04:56 AM   #21 
  - You want to run against an incumbent in '08?  Raskolnik   Dec-13-06 08:22 AM   #24 
     - What makes you so sure  Patchuli   Dec-13-06 10:00 PM   #83 
  - So what  Lowell   Dec-13-06 12:04 PM   #35 
  - You misunderstand.  Raskolnik   Dec-13-06 12:13 PM   #37 
  - Not to worry...  chknltl   Dec-13-06 10:47 PM   #89 
  - Only Impeachment, Indeed!  Husb2Sparkly   Dec-12-06 09:59 PM   #9 
  - fialure to pursue impeachment  leftofthedial   Dec-12-06 10:01 PM   #10 
  - k/r  Fridays Child   Dec-12-06 10:39 PM   #13 
  - Kick and Rec!! Only impeachment can break their bonds of complicity  pat_k   Dec-12-06 11:24 PM   #14 
  - Oh Cool! Another 'Think Exactly As I Do Or You're Pond Scum' Thread!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-13-06 01:04 AM   #16 
  - A couple of questions for ya...  Ani Yun Wiya   Dec-13-06 03:17 AM   #20 
  - But you're not for strong action are you? You are for impeachment...  GOTV   Dec-13-06 02:34 PM   #58 
     - "for impeachment which is just shooting guns in the air until you have 67 Senators ready to convict"  omega minimo   Dec-13-06 04:20 PM   #69 
     - Impeachment is where strong action merely begins.  Ani Yun Wiya   Dec-13-06 10:21 PM   #85 
        - No, the real work starts before impeachment.  GOTV   Dec-15-06 09:02 AM   #122 
  - Yep.  cali   Dec-13-06 02:42 PM   #60 
     - That is truly sad.  omega minimo   Dec-13-06 04:28 PM   #70 
  - k&r  Swamp Rat   Dec-13-06 01:10 AM   #17 
  - the overriding problem we face is that our crises are so severe that . . .  OneBlueSky   Dec-13-06 01:18 AM   #18 
  - We reclaim our authority over Corps by reclaiming our sovereignty thru impeachment.  pat_k   Dec-13-06 10:56 AM   #29 
  - Very eloquently stated.  Bullwinkle925   Dec-13-06 01:46 AM   #19 
  - There does not appear  H2O Man   Dec-13-06 05:04 AM   #22 
  - Agreed. n/t  rosesaylavee   Dec-13-06 07:02 AM   #23 
  - Impeach. Indict. Imprison........  Ghost in the Machine   Dec-13-06 08:30 AM   #25 
  - Not going to happen when people like Conyers and Kucinich oppose it  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-13-06 08:59 AM   #27 
  - Perhaps, but opposition can be dropped in an instant  Senator   Dec-13-06 02:05 PM   #56 
  - Thank God for one brave lady...  seize the time   Dec-13-06 09:45 AM   #28 
  - Face the facts: impeachment is not a possibility.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-13-06 11:12 AM   #30 
  - I agree with you  nam78_two   Dec-13-06 11:32 AM   #32 
  - Thank you!!  Patchuli   Dec-13-06 10:25 PM   #87 
  - See Reply #39  pat_k   Dec-13-06 12:41 PM   #43 
  - you are repeating opinions as fact that were challenged elsewhere and unanswered by you  omega minimo   Dec-13-06 12:59 PM   #48 
     - I can only explain the back so many layers.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-13-06 01:12 PM   #51 
     - Your faith-based negative prognosticating has no guarantee of coming true  omega minimo   Dec-13-06 01:28 PM   #52 
     - LOL. Hey pot the kettle is calling  rinsd   Dec-13-06 01:31 PM   #53 
        - please let us know when you have something to contribute beyond nonsense personal attacks.  omega minimo   Dec-13-06 01:37 PM   #55 
  - I agree with you in theory  nam78_two   Dec-13-06 11:22 AM   #31 
  - It's not going to happen  noonwitch   Dec-13-06 11:50 AM   #34 
  - What could possibly more egregious than . .  pat_k   Dec-13-06 12:42 PM   #44 
  - We've heard that before  Senator   Dec-13-06 01:01 PM   #49 
  - Impeachment MUST Happen!!!!!!  novalib   Dec-13-06 12:14 PM   #38 
  - What do you think will happen if Bush is impeached?  Raskolnik   Dec-13-06 12:45 PM   #46 
  - I'll kick that. - n/t  porphyrian   Dec-13-06 12:38 PM   #42 
  - No, silly. Everyone knows letting criminals slide so we can win in '08...  Zhade   Dec-13-06 02:45 PM   #61 
  - Why not - it's always worked before.  Jim Sagle   Dec-13-06 10:02 PM   #84 
  - Once we unearth the true horrors of this administration...  EOO   Dec-13-06 02:48 PM   #62 
  - You are correct to realize that there are steps that must precede impeachment  GOTV   Dec-13-06 03:28 PM   #66 
  - And how do you know that for a fact?  Patchuli   Dec-13-06 10:22 PM   #86 
  - They have been "unearthed"  Senator   Dec-13-06 04:16 PM   #68 
     - I honestly dont think everything has been revealed.  EOO   Dec-13-06 08:07 PM   #77 
        - Plenty of time for more after we've removed the sharp knives  Senator   Dec-13-06 08:28 PM   #79 
  - Eloquent and truthful  RestoreGore   Dec-13-06 03:16 PM   #64 
  - What can a non-impeached prez do that an impeached prez cannot?  GOTV   Dec-13-06 03:25 PM   #65 
  - Claim complicity/approval from and exoneration by...  Senator   Dec-13-06 04:48 PM   #71 
     - Ya mean like Reagan/Bush1 and Iran/Contra?..............  omega minimo   Dec-13-06 05:17 PM   #72 
     - No exoneration until acquittal...  GOTV   Dec-15-06 08:57 AM   #121 
  - Standing ovation! n/t  volstork   Dec-13-06 04:08 PM   #67 
  - We need two thirds of the Senate to remove the Bushista from office.  mzmolly   Dec-13-06 06:40 PM   #73 
  - No, not necessarily  Senator   Dec-14-06 01:29 AM   #91 
     - Your post denotes the NEED for formal investigations.  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 12:14 PM   #93 
        - Not at all  Senator   Dec-14-06 02:50 PM   #94 
           - You've mentioned 4 Senators, now show me how we will gain the remaining 20  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 03:51 PM   #95 
              - then INVESTIGATE, hold HEARINGS, then IMPEACH  omega minimo   Dec-14-06 03:53 PM   #96 
              - Some don't like the "investigate" part. They feel it's unnecesary.  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 05:14 PM   #99 
                 - Let's move on with what we agree on  omega minimo   Dec-14-06 05:42 PM   #100 
                    - I'll do that when others quit chastising the position that we need to hold  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 06:17 PM   #104 
                       - We need to investigate/impeach Bushco and yer worried about being "chastised"?!  omega minimo   Dec-14-06 08:12 PM   #111 
                          - Oh puleeze.  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 10:44 PM   #113 
              - Well, you misstate the math and the objective  Senator   Dec-14-06 05:04 PM   #97 
                 - I was speaking about REPUBLICAN Senators.  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 05:11 PM   #98 
                    - these negative assumptions so many are making are false, misleading and impossible to predict!!  omega minimo   Dec-14-06 05:53 PM   #102 
                    - I'm not opposed to impeachment.  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 06:13 PM   #103 
                       - Thank You MzMolly For Your Defense Of Many Of Our's Position.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-14-06 06:25 PM   #105 
                       - Awe shucks,  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 06:30 PM   #106 
                       - It is unecessary to keep arguing that sticking point against allies. Time to agree and act.  omega minimo   Dec-14-06 07:38 PM   #108 
                          - Are you speaking to me or the person who said "we don't need to investigate?"  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 07:40 PM   #109 
                             - Are you aware of the investigations and articles of impeachment that already exist?  omega minimo   Dec-14-06 08:02 PM   #110 
                                - Of course I am. Uhm, I'm on John Conyers mailing list for one thing.  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 10:53 PM   #115 
                                   - The arguments I've seen seem to be over word usage rather than concepts  omega minimo   Dec-15-06 10:52 AM   #127 
                                      - Not so.  mzmolly   Dec-15-06 12:29 PM   #130 
                                         - Did you read my posts or the link at all?  omega minimo   Dec-15-06 01:16 PM   #131 
                                            - Yep.  mzmolly   Dec-15-06 01:54 PM   #134 
                    - So was I -- and the math was wrong on them  Senator   Dec-14-06 08:23 PM   #112 
                       - Considering my point about the judiciary and people like Gonzalez  mzmolly   Dec-14-06 10:58 PM   #116 
                          - It isn't "my" point on war crimes  Senator   Dec-14-06 11:51 PM   #118 
                             - Ah, the desperate strawman.  mzmolly   Dec-15-06 12:28 PM   #129 
                                - Yes, you used it  Senator   Dec-16-06 12:23 AM   #137 
                                   - No, I didn't use it, you did. You mentioned "torture" as if the fact that I don't  mzmolly   Dec-16-06 12:48 AM   #138 
                                      - No, "impeachment hearings" vs. "investigations" is not parsing  Senator   Dec-16-06 05:09 AM   #139 
                                         - Enter yet another straw-man. Who said "impeachment" hearings VS. investigations?"  mzmolly   Dec-16-06 11:24 AM   #141 
                                            - No, Pelosi said "off the table"  Senator   Dec-17-06 12:46 AM   #142 
                                               - Again, who said making the accusation is "contrary to the pursuit of justice?"  mzmolly   Dec-17-06 01:52 AM   #144 
                                                  - Apparently you didn't realize that you had  Senator   Dec-17-06 09:16 AM   #145 
                                                     - That's because I didn't.  mzmolly   Dec-17-06 02:00 PM   #146 
                                                     - Well, it's there to be read  Senator   Dec-17-06 09:21 PM   #147 
                                                     - Perhaps you can quote me specifically since it's "there to be read."  mzmolly   Dec-18-06 12:46 AM   #148 
                                                     - I did quote you ... you repeated the quote  Senator   Dec-18-06 06:25 AM   #149 
                                                     - Funny, I still don't see that quote.  mzmolly   Dec-18-06 03:01 PM   #150 
                                                     - And yet you quoted it back n/t  Senator   Dec-19-06 12:36 AM   #151 
  - Only impeachment!  wildbilln864   Dec-13-06 08:12 PM   #78 
  - impeachment and conviction...nothing less!!!!!  NotGivingUp   Dec-13-06 09:34 PM   #82 
  - Right On  AnotherDreamWeaver   Dec-14-06 12:07 AM   #90 
  - His handling of the Katrina situation alone is worth impeachment  mvd   Dec-14-06 02:02 AM   #92 
  - Abso-fucking-lutely! IT'S IMPERATIVE!  cool user name   Dec-14-06 05:46 PM   #101 
  - Cheney first...it's not off my table, nor most of the citizens that voted 11-7. n/t  bobthedrummer   Dec-14-06 06:45 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-14-06 10:47 PM   #114 
  - ASK AND YE SHALL RECEIVE! read this....  Jeffersons Ghost   Dec-14-06 11:05 PM   #117 
  - "Investigation of is a word of of uncertainty."  porphyrian   Dec-15-06 09:16 AM   #123 
  - Actually, being comprehensive is counterproductive  Senator   Dec-15-06 09:35 AM   #125 
     - I don't agree that they're counterproductive, they're simply unnecessary.  porphyrian   Dec-15-06 03:03 PM   #135 
  - It's a waste of time..  Blue_Roses   Dec-15-06 09:22 AM   #124 
  - It's almost like they... want to stop the torture??  Senator   Dec-15-06 09:45 AM   #126 
  - What is Impeachment?  omega minimo   Dec-15-06 11:34 AM   #128 
  - "Impeachment  H2O Man   Dec-15-06 01:25 PM   #133 
     - .  omega minimo   Dec-15-06 05:29 PM   #136 
  - I concur.  mmonk   Dec-16-06 07:10 AM   #140 
  - J'Accuse!!!  Swamp Rat   Dec-17-06 12:51 AM   #143 
 

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