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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #174
189. You still have to answer
what would be the great diservice to your country if you spent two years out of your life HELPING others?

Fuck off indeed, Heinlein was right.
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  -Mandatory National Service BL611  Dec-07-06 04:35 PM   #0 
  - Hell, No. n/t  anitar1   Dec-07-06 04:39 PM   #1 
  - Yeesh - not this again  Book Lover   Dec-07-06 04:41 PM   #2 
  - I'm sorry to bring "this" up  BL611   Dec-07-06 04:49 PM   #7 
     - My apologies for the snarky remark  Book Lover   Dec-07-06 05:25 PM   #17 
        - I accept your apology  BL611   Dec-07-06 05:44 PM   #25 
           - You're not answering the questions!  JVS   Dec-09-06 03:40 PM   #126 
              - I'll go down the Heilllein route  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 05:39 PM   #151 
                 - good suggestion. jail time is unnecessary. nt.  k_jerome   Dec-10-06 02:21 AM   #166 
                 - Wow, taking away the right to vote! How progressive!  JVS   Dec-10-06 12:00 PM   #171 
                    - A felony conviction in many states does that anyway  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 12:54 PM   #176 
  - I think that no one, at any age, should be forced to do anything.  Mend   Dec-07-06 04:43 PM   #3 
  - Forced labor?  BL611   Dec-07-06 05:01 PM   #12 
  - So, based on your view of what's right and wrong  Mythsaje   Dec-07-06 05:35 PM   #21 
  - If "forcing" people in the richest  BL611   Dec-07-06 05:50 PM   #26 
     - You DO realize that no one ever intended  Mythsaje   Dec-07-06 06:39 PM   #35 
        - Their not paying  BL611   Dec-08-06 02:22 PM   #38 
           - Same old song and dance...  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 02:40 PM   #39 
           - Thats not an answer to my question  BL611   Dec-08-06 02:50 PM   #40 
              - Businesses aren't people, despite the fact that they're treated like it.  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 03:09 PM   #46 
                 - You've contradicted yourself  BL611   Dec-08-06 03:21 PM   #49 
                    - They shouldn't doesn't mean the same as we should stop them from it...  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 03:36 PM   #56 
                       - Seeing beyond black and white is great  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:02 PM   #60 
                          - Because it would work just as well to make it voluntary  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 04:18 PM   #63 
                             - It was not my intention to ignore it  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:29 PM   #66 
                                - I didn't direct it specifically at you...  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 04:48 PM   #72 
                                   - Who decides whats necessary?  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:58 PM   #75 
                                      - Why not?  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 05:12 PM   #79 
                                         - Compulsory education and taxation  BL611   Dec-08-06 05:25 PM   #81 
                                            - I think it edges a little closer to authoritarianism than I find palatable...  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 05:30 PM   #83 
                                            - Why is this where you draw the fine line?  BL611   Dec-09-06 01:00 PM   #95 
                                            - You gotta draw a line somewhere...  Mythsaje   Dec-09-06 02:46 PM   #116 
           - Here's the answer to your question  Hippo_Tron   Dec-08-06 03:11 PM   #47 
              - Well thats a better argument than the other poster  BL611   Dec-08-06 03:25 PM   #51 
                 - No, but universal healthcare and higher education...  Hippo_Tron   Dec-08-06 03:33 PM   #55 
                    - Thats because they don't exist  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:13 PM   #62 
                       - You missed my point entirely  Hippo_Tron   Dec-08-06 04:21 PM   #64 
                       - No I was comparing your specific earlier point  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:34 PM   #68 
                          - I'm saying that we should not enact a requirement for citizenship reform  Hippo_Tron   Dec-08-06 04:56 PM   #74 
                             - But why is that different than  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:59 PM   #76 
                                - Because it gives the government too much power over our lives  Hippo_Tron   Dec-08-06 05:10 PM   #78 
                                   - Then you are getting into the libertarian argument  BL611   Dec-08-06 05:29 PM   #82 
                                      - Certain elements of their arguments (mostly the non-economic ones)  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 05:32 PM   #84 
                                      - Sure, okay it's a libertarian argument  Hippo_Tron   Dec-08-06 05:32 PM   #85 
                                         - Well on this issue  BL611   Dec-09-06 01:04 PM   #96 
                                            - There has to be a point where a person says  Mythsaje   Dec-09-06 02:48 PM   #117 
                                            - We'll have to agree to disagree then  Hippo_Tron   Dec-09-06 03:44 PM   #129 
                                            - In education there is flexibility  BL611   Dec-09-06 03:54 PM   #130 
                                            - I have no problem with asking, your plan proposes forcing...  Hippo_Tron   Dec-09-06 04:21 PM   #135 
                                            - But its the governments place to tax them?  BL611   Dec-09-06 04:27 PM   #136 
                                            - Yes because the government NEEDS the money so that we don't fall into anarchy  Hippo_Tron   Dec-09-06 04:36 PM   #138 
                                            - That seems to be the case  BL611   Dec-09-06 04:43 PM   #139 
                                            - Services to the less fortunate are necessary for the nation's survival...  Hippo_Tron   Dec-09-06 05:06 PM   #143 
                                            - Right...  Mythsaje   Dec-10-06 01:47 AM   #161 
                       - If you start sending everyone to college and the hospital on the government's bill  JVS   Dec-09-06 03:42 PM   #127 
                          - Ask the students at UGA if things were better or worse before the HOPE scholarship  Hippo_Tron   Dec-09-06 04:28 PM   #137 
                             - What is the HOPE scholarship?  JVS   Dec-10-06 11:58 AM   #170 
                                - I'm not in favor of mandatory service, I'm in favor of everyone being able to go to college...  Hippo_Tron   Dec-11-06 01:04 AM   #200 
  - Nor do I.  TahitiNut   Dec-07-06 05:39 PM   #22 
  - DING DING DING! Mend, you're our grand prize winner!  rocknation   Dec-07-06 05:58 PM   #29 
     - Actually your boys  BL611   Dec-07-06 06:04 PM   #30 
        - they are both too old to conscript....let the people under the  Mend   Dec-07-06 06:07 PM   #31 
        - Ok I'm all for  BL611   Dec-07-06 06:15 PM   #33 
           - I did serve starting at 18 as well  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 01:22 PM   #107 
        - Replace the indentured servitude with full-time salaries and benefits  rocknation   Dec-07-06 06:13 PM   #32 
           - Nope to the rich it will have to be mandatory  BL611   Dec-07-06 06:30 PM   #34 
              - Correct, see above  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 01:23 PM   #108 
                 - And, see, this is where I think the moral purpose falls flat...  Mythsaje   Dec-09-06 04:01 PM   #132 
                    - No exceptions  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 05:38 PM   #150 
                       - self-delete  Mythsaje   Dec-09-06 08:45 PM   #157 
  - If you're offering free college education and lifetime health care  Mythsaje   Dec-07-06 04:46 PM   #4 
  - To the affluent  BL611   Dec-07-06 05:07 PM   #14 
     - No, I don't think we have MILLIONS of jobs just laying around...  Mythsaje   Dec-07-06 05:31 PM   #18 
        - I addressed most of these concerns in another  BL611   Dec-07-06 05:54 PM   #28 
        - The same was claimed in the Great Depression. They were wrong.  TahitiNut   Dec-07-06 06:47 PM   #36 
  - I have always thought some sort of national service..........  Bonhomme Richard   Dec-07-06 04:46 PM   #5 
  - I wouldn't be able to post on DU  BL611   Dec-07-06 04:52 PM   #9 
  - I'm sure it won't be a popular viewpoint....  Wildewolfe   Dec-07-06 04:48 PM   #6 
  - It was two years for non-military service and, I think, four military.  sarge43   Dec-07-06 05:44 PM   #24 
  - Screw the service, support the service members  itsmesgd   Dec-07-06 04:51 PM   #8 
  - It's what I always wanted.  aquart   Dec-07-06 04:56 PM   #10 
  - NOT NO, BUT HELL NO. N/T  BlackVelvet04   Dec-07-06 04:57 PM   #11 
  - I'm open minded about about some sort of service  Nutmegger   Dec-07-06 05:04 PM   #13 
  - Should be does not make it so  BL611   Dec-07-06 05:08 PM   #15 
  - For discussion sake  sarge43   Dec-07-06 05:10 PM   #16 
  - OK  BL611   Dec-07-06 05:34 PM   #20 
  - What if you don't NEED money for college or health care?  rocknation   Dec-07-06 05:33 PM   #19 
  - About the pay:  Ron_Green   Dec-07-06 05:40 PM   #23 
  - Mandatory? No way!  Greeby   Dec-07-06 05:53 PM   #27 
  - I've always favoured something along very similar lines...  QuestionAll   Dec-07-06 06:57 PM   #37 
  - I like the idea, but  dkofos   Dec-08-06 02:52 PM   #41 
  - Not quite true  BL611   Dec-08-06 02:56 PM   #42 
  - the country should reward national service rather than mandate it  orangepeel68   Dec-08-06 02:56 PM   #43 
  - No.  baby_mouse   Dec-08-06 03:02 PM   #44 
  - Do you have any evidence to back that up?  BL611   Dec-08-06 03:08 PM   #45 
  - Only my grandfather's experience, as he told it to me.  baby_mouse   Dec-09-06 09:59 AM   #92 
  - Forced national service fosters blind obedience to authority?  neverforget   Dec-08-06 03:28 PM   #52 
  - Agreed -- to a point  Firespirit   Dec-08-06 03:33 PM   #53 
  - I dropped out of high school and went to college at age 16.  Firespirit   Dec-08-06 03:15 PM   #48 
  - Umm I'm 25  BL611   Dec-08-06 03:33 PM   #54 
     - So you don't think holding a job and paying taxes  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 03:39 PM   #57 
     - Nope and you're an evil rightwing capitalist for thinking so  Hippo_Tron   Dec-08-06 05:03 PM   #77 
        - Apparently so...n/t  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 05:14 PM   #80 
     - No -- I received a crappy education  Firespirit   Dec-08-06 03:43 PM   #58 
        - I'm not pushing anyone into the military  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:09 PM   #61 
  - I'm for it...  youthere   Dec-08-06 03:25 PM   #50 
  - I thought it was a shitty idea last week, too.  impeachdubya   Dec-08-06 03:43 PM   #59 
  - You are allowing the rest of society to suck the life energy out of the young  wuushew   Dec-08-06 04:26 PM   #65 
  - I'm not quite sure  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:31 PM   #67 
     - If your compulsory service started tomorrow...  wuushew   Dec-08-06 04:37 PM   #69 
        - I didn't say it was a perfectly  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:40 PM   #70 
           - The best ideas of progressives are those which "level" the playing field  wuushew   Dec-08-06 04:46 PM   #71 
              - Sure, but again nothings perfect  BL611   Dec-08-06 04:50 PM   #73 
                 - and who died and made your and your beliefs God?  BlackVelvet04   Dec-09-06 05:25 PM   #145 
  - I'm with ya, BL611, my generation made a BIG mistake in fighting  bobbolink   Dec-08-06 05:33 PM   #86 
  - Easy to say now that it no longer affects you directly...  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 05:45 PM   #88 
  - I'm so very sick of the attacks here on DU.  bobbolink   Dec-08-06 05:49 PM   #89 
     - Oh, the fact that I think you're wrong  Mythsaje   Dec-08-06 05:53 PM   #90 
     - Yes, it's a personal attack. To deny it is either stupidity or intellectual dishonesty, imho.  TahitiNut   Dec-09-06 10:55 AM   #93 
     - Poor baby  JVS   Dec-09-06 01:08 PM   #98 
  - I wouldn't be too down  BL611   Dec-09-06 01:10 PM   #99 
     - a big reason those of us in support don't stick around is the snark  bobbolink   Dec-09-06 05:48 PM   #153 
     - I have to agree with you , BL611  StephenB48   Dec-10-06 03:05 PM   #193 
  - I don't have a huge problem with it, but  mycritters2   Dec-08-06 05:35 PM   #87 
  - BL611 -- very well thought out. It will take a  BushDespiser12   Dec-08-06 06:05 PM   #91 
  - Not until there's democratic oversight of war.  Orsino   Dec-09-06 11:39 AM   #94 
  - fuck that bullshit  JVS   Dec-09-06 01:07 PM   #97 
  - Thanks  BL611   Dec-09-06 01:13 PM   #101 
     - we've been over this a hundred times.  tomp   Dec-09-06 01:18 PM   #105 
     - Excuse me  BL611   Dec-09-06 01:28 PM   #109 
     - Your words are an insult to blind people everywhere  JVS   Dec-09-06 03:34 PM   #122 
     - I don't want to contribute to your shitty thread or idea, I'm here to poo-pooh your plan  JVS   Dec-09-06 03:33 PM   #121 
        - Why it may ask you to do something for others  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 05:32 PM   #148 
           - I find it suspicious that a man at the top of the socioeconomic ladder...  JVS   Dec-10-06 11:50 AM   #168 
              - You do know he  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:21 PM   #188 
                 - Ich bin ein overpriviledged, Harvard Educated, playboy...  JVS   Dec-12-06 07:31 AM   #266 
  - gee, how to tell you what i think about your post...  tomp   Dec-09-06 01:13 PM   #100 
  - Lets see...  BL611   Dec-09-06 01:15 PM   #102 
     - see above reply to your reply to JVS...  tomp   Dec-09-06 01:22 PM   #106 
        - See my reply above  BL611   Dec-09-06 01:29 PM   #110 
  - Sounds good to me  XemaSab   Dec-09-06 01:17 PM   #103 
  - Fully agree wiht you  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 01:17 PM   #104 
  - Some observations after going through the thread  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 01:41 PM   #111 
  - Yeah, except that our accomplishments as creatures  Mythsaje   Dec-09-06 03:08 PM   #119 
  - Once again  BL611   Dec-09-06 03:44 PM   #128 
  - Because where the line sits  Mythsaje   Dec-09-06 03:58 PM   #131 
     - Your right to your opinion is your prerogative  BL611   Dec-09-06 04:20 PM   #134 
        - People honor their obligations to our society  Mythsaje   Dec-09-06 08:41 PM   #156 
           - Funny kids of previous  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:53 AM   #164 
           - When was the last generation that "went?"  Mythsaje   Dec-10-06 02:22 AM   #167 
              - No. The carrot is old hat, we need the stick  JVS   Dec-10-06 12:29 PM   #173 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-10-06 12:56 PM   #177 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-10-06 12:59 PM   #178 
                       - Given my father lived through the horrors of a true  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:10 PM   #182 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-10-06 01:14 PM   #185 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-10-06 01:19 PM   #187 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-10-06 09:20 PM   #197 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-06 12:40 PM   #203 
                                   - And yet it doesn't affect me and I oppose it...  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 07:03 PM   #234 
                                      - I'm sorry you don't get it either  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 08:38 PM   #238 
                                         - Probably not...  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 08:39 PM   #241 
                                   - Actually a collectivist authoritarian could as easily be  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 06:52 PM   #233 
           - "We don't have to justify our disagreement to you  BL611   Dec-11-06 11:06 AM   #201 
              - If being wealthy causes people to be wasteful jerks why not just address that?  wuushew   Dec-11-06 12:50 PM   #207 
              - What part of mandatory are you having a problem  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 02:41 PM   #212 
              - Of course you don't...  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 04:27 PM   #214 
  - I have news for you that you may not like  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 05:26 PM   #146 
     - Quite the assumptions you make here...  Mythsaje   Dec-09-06 08:50 PM   #158 
        - Good for you  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:51 AM   #162 
           - I'm a semi-social animal  Mythsaje   Dec-10-06 02:14 AM   #165 
           - Ok so you explain this to me  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:17 PM   #186 
              - Seriously?  Mythsaje   Dec-10-06 03:05 PM   #192 
                 - You obviously have been talking  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 01:45 PM   #208 
                    - The economic draft is another issue  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 04:26 PM   #213 
                       - So what do you want to do  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 04:35 PM   #220 
                          - You want to translate your first line? It looks like gibberish...  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 04:39 PM   #222 
                             - I did  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 04:52 PM   #225 
                                - Are you fucking kidding me?  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 06:11 PM   #228 
                                   - No I don't twist it  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 08:48 PM   #246 
                                      - Even if it is, it's offering choices to people the system doesn't  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 08:59 PM   #248 
                                         - I have  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 09:05 PM   #250 
                                            - So what?  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 09:08 PM   #252 
                                               - So you hsve issues with society  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 09:13 PM   #253 
                                               - What part of ASKING do you not understand?  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 09:16 PM   #254 
                                               - What part of economic draft are you missing?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 09:18 PM   #255 
                                               - Any way you slice it,  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 09:40 PM   #256 
                                               - And a NATIONAL SERVICE that is mandatory can  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 09:43 PM   #257 
                                               - I think we're at the point we need to agree to disagree...  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 11:03 PM   #259 
                                               - No it is not gong to change it  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 11:10 PM   #260 
                                               - Right now the wealthy and the corporations  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 11:24 PM   #261 
                                               - I believe the reason they are in charge  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 11:27 PM   #262 
                                               - Unfortunately we live in a representative republic  Mythsaje   Dec-12-06 12:00 AM   #264 
                                               - Jefferson put it best  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-12-06 12:07 AM   #265 
           - We're also an individual kind of animal that likes to tell people who want to take...  JVS   Dec-10-06 12:31 PM   #174 
              - You still have to answer  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:22 PM   #189 
                 - 2 years of killing people. Helping people obviously takes longer to break even  JVS   Dec-13-06 09:44 AM   #271 
  - Your categories are wrong. The real ones are  JVS   Dec-09-06 03:37 PM   #124 
  - Yep you are right  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 05:30 PM   #147 
     - Six years is a big disruption in someones life. If you join the army and get killed it's also a...  JVS   Dec-10-06 12:22 PM   #172 
        - The army would be an option  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:26 PM   #191 
           - I think that's part of the problem here too...  Mythsaje   Dec-10-06 03:18 PM   #195 
              - I know exactly what 18 years are  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 12:43 PM   #204 
                 - Nice attitude.  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 04:30 PM   #215 
                    - Well you'd rather continue in platitudes  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 04:33 PM   #217 
                       - Your contempt for the young shines pretty bright...  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 04:35 PM   #219 
                          - You're wrong  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 04:36 PM   #221 
                             - And you assume that any kid you don't know is the kind of kid  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 04:40 PM   #223 
                                - I have contempt for those who hate service  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 04:54 PM   #226 
  - OMG Nadin  StephenB48   Dec-10-06 03:15 PM   #194 
  - You welcome  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 02:23 PM   #210 
  - This is one of the most disgusting posts I've ever read here.  Lilith Velkor   Dec-10-06 10:28 PM   #199 
     - They dismiss that argument out of hand...  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 04:31 PM   #216 
        - And we're childish and immoral for objecting  Lilith Velkor   Dec-11-06 08:38 PM   #239 
           - I see you've played this game before...n/t  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 08:47 PM   #245 
  - Also, retired people should be called back into service somehow  nini   Dec-09-06 01:51 PM   #112 
  - I doubt it'd be constitutional.  tofunut   Dec-09-06 01:52 PM   #113 
  - The draft has been challenged in courts  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 01:55 PM   #114 
     - True that.  tofunut   Dec-09-06 02:20 PM   #115 
        - I just adressed the consitutionality issue  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 03:02 PM   #118 
           - I think we're talking past each other a little here.  tofunut   Dec-09-06 03:11 PM   #120 
              - Section 8 of the Constitution  BL611   Dec-09-06 04:07 PM   #133 
                 - The CCC and other depresion era  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 05:33 PM   #149 
                    - Precedents as voluntary programs  wuushew   Dec-09-06 09:19 PM   #160 
                       - They were STILL taken to the coursts  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:52 AM   #163 
                          - I can't believe that you can at one time argue for giving the government huge control...  JVS   Dec-10-06 12:36 PM   #175 
                             - You did not get the joke over habeas corpus  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:04 PM   #179 
                                - It's not all about me so quit assuming that it is. I'm too old for...  JVS   Dec-10-06 01:07 PM   #180 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-10-06 01:07 PM   #181 
                                   - That is the way you have shown yourelf  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:11 PM   #183 
                                      - It's not my generation.  JVS   Dec-10-06 01:12 PM   #184 
                                         - Fair enough  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-10-06 01:23 PM   #190 
                                            - Accuations of being selfish are not valid questions.  JVS   Dec-10-06 09:15 PM   #196 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-06 12:46 PM   #205 
                                                  - You might try not calling people selfish children...  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 04:34 PM   #218 
                                                  - Met plenty of selfish children  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 04:57 PM   #227 
                                                  - Oh, there's plenty of people my age  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 06:14 PM   #229 
                                                  - I'm your age  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 08:39 PM   #240 
                                                  - What?  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 09:01 PM   #249 
                                                  - You are missing it  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 09:07 PM   #251 
                                                  - But it's less fun  JVS   Dec-12-06 08:59 PM   #268 
                                                  - What part of the rich and powerful can always find a way out are you missing?  JVS   Dec-12-06 08:58 PM   #267 
  - A great idea  JVS   Dec-09-06 03:34 PM   #123 
  - This only works in countries which are not as hopelessly corrupt as the US.  Vidar   Dec-09-06 03:38 PM   #125 
  - Countries are as corrupt as its citizens  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-09-06 05:41 PM   #152 
  - There was a book about this  Lasthorseman   Dec-09-06 04:47 PM   #140 
  - 'Player Piano' by Kurt Vonnegut  TahitiNut   Dec-09-06 04:55 PM   #141 
     - Kind of like  Lasthorseman   Dec-09-06 05:06 PM   #142 
        - Yes our culture certainly has too much leisure  JVS   Dec-10-06 11:51 AM   #169 
  - The problem with the libertarian argument is  nam78_two   Dec-09-06 05:18 PM   #144 
  - The self centered are in every generation  treestar   Dec-13-06 10:01 AM   #273 
  - hell no, this is bullshit and its begging to be abused  ComerPerro   Dec-09-06 06:00 PM   #154 
  - so how old are you anyway?  ComerPerro   Dec-09-06 06:02 PM   #155 
  - Irrelevant. How old are YOU? (Just as irrelevant.)  TahitiNut   Dec-09-06 08:54 PM   #159 
  - As I have mentioned earlier  BL611   Dec-11-06 11:11 AM   #202 
  - Make it voluntary w/ the bennies and I think it's a great idea. n/t  Zorra   Dec-10-06 10:06 PM   #198 
  - Not a good idea in my humble opinion  Reterr   Dec-11-06 12:47 PM   #206 
  - If you cared to read  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 01:47 PM   #209 
     - I bet you anything, especially now, that if this were implimented  ComerPerro   Dec-11-06 06:21 PM   #231 
        - Oh, c'mon...we should just trust them.  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 07:05 PM   #235 
        - It depends how it is written  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 08:40 PM   #242 
  - No. Period.  Zhade   Dec-11-06 02:36 PM   #211 
  - as a returned Peace Corps volunteer  momophile   Dec-11-06 04:40 PM   #224 
  - You are going to find out that most DUers are against  question everything   Dec-11-06 06:19 PM   #230 
  - Most DUers are against more authoritarian nonsense  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 06:51 PM   #232 
  - How selfish of us to enjoy the benefits of a police state with no safety net...  Lilith Velkor   Dec-11-06 08:23 PM   #237 
  - Unpatriotic douchebags, these "I want to decide my life for myself" punks!  JVS   Dec-12-06 09:02 PM   #269 
  - Kennedy was a product of a generation that got it  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 08:42 PM   #243 
     - Kennedy and his brother got sent to war to help the PR of their family...  JVS   Dec-12-06 09:04 PM   #270 
  - national service  SeaBob   Dec-11-06 07:10 PM   #236 
  - Another fan of Heimlein  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-11-06 08:43 PM   #244 
     - Dude, I'M a fan of Heinlein  Mythsaje   Dec-11-06 08:49 PM   #247 
  - Only draft war supporters  antiimperialist   Dec-11-06 09:43 PM   #258 
  - For people over 55 perhaps...  hughee99   Dec-11-06 11:58 PM   #263 
  - No, because a free country just can't have that sort of thing  treestar   Dec-13-06 09:52 AM   #272 
 

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