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GreenZoneLT Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 11:43 PM
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7. "Training" vs. culture
That's actually a very good question. The major emphasis right now, even before the ISG report, is increasing the trainers embedded with Iraqi troops. The hope is that we can indoctrinate the new Iraqi Army with professionalism and national patriotism that overcomes their tribal and sectarian loyalties.

Of course, as Hillary noted, hope is not a plan. I haven't seen anything detailed enough about the training to make me think they'll be able to create an army that is able to step in the middle of sectarian fighting without taking sides. Oh, well, might as well be optimistic; assuming the worst won't help.

The police -- fugeddaboudit. As Gen. McCaffrey said recently, they are a disaster. The Iraqi Army's probably going to wind up fighting THEM.

There's no danger of us having to fight the new Iraqi army as a body. One, they're barely armed; they have rifles and machine guns and that's about it. The major worry I have is that after we leave, the Iraqi army will splinter along sectarian lines, and the old Baathist professional army members will shift over to the Sunni insurgency. The Shiites have the numbers and the arms from Iran, but the Sunnis have the best fighters, including nearly all of the Baathist officer corps.

The worst, and quite likely scenario is U.S. withdrawal followed by a Balkan-style meltdown, with Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia all picking a team to arm, and Turkey muscling in on Iraqi Kurdistan. Thanks, neocons! Way to transform the Middle East!


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  -So, what happens if we actually train the Iraqi army? BeyondThePale  Dec-06-06 11:18 PM   #0 
  - what army are you talking about?  still_one   Dec-06-06 11:24 PM   #1 
  - ok, the individuals to whom we are giving weapons and training  BeyondThePale   Dec-07-06 06:24 AM   #14 
  - It is rather counter-intuitive, isn't it?  Old and In the Way   Dec-06-06 11:25 PM   #2 
  - Opition three - maybe the Iraqi force will provide enough security  ANHG   Dec-06-06 11:34 PM   #3 
  - Bwahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!  dicksteele   Dec-06-06 11:39 PM   #4 
     - Not Possible?  ANHG   Dec-06-06 11:42 PM   #5 
        - Not likely.  Ron_Green   Dec-06-06 11:43 PM   #6 
           - Agreed! But possible!  ANHG   Dec-06-06 11:47 PM   #9 
              - It just doesn't seem possible to me...  BeyondThePale   Dec-07-06 06:22 AM   #13 
  - "Training" vs. culture  GreenZoneLT   Dec-06-06 11:43 PM   #7 
  - After all this time there is 0 zero zip nada less than 1 .....  Botany   Dec-06-06 11:44 PM   #8 
  - We Are Training Those Who Will Shoot Us  justinaforjustice   Dec-07-06 02:33 AM   #11 
  - The Iraqi Army has no weapons.  twilight_sailing   Dec-07-06 02:31 AM   #10 
  - Of course it's ridiculous  malaise   Dec-07-06 03:45 AM   #12 
  - We have been "training" the Iraq army for almost 4 years now n/t  NNN0LHI   Dec-07-06 06:25 AM   #15 
 

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