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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 01:24 PM
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16. I hate to say it, but the OP seems like a classic straw-man argument
If you were responding to something someone had said here on DU, it would be one thing, but telling us about something you overheard someone say in a restaurant, and then presenting an argument against it seems to beg for someone to publicly disagree with it. For example, "Let's not do the same thing ourselves. Let's show some humanity." seems to scold us for something that someone else said somewhere else.

That being said, I present you with an echo of how I remember Reagan's reign:

Old Mother Reagan

Old Mother Reagan
And her crew
Took away
From me and you
I hope she goes far away
She better go far away
Y'know it ain't right
When it's all wrong
This is the Old Mother Reagan
Protest song
Old Mother Reagan
She's so dumb
She's so dangerous
How come...
Old Mother Reagan went to heaven
But at the pearly gates
She was stopped!
-- Violent Femmes, Old Mother Reagan, 1986
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  -"Alzheimer's was too good for Reagan as far as I'm concerned" liberalhistorian  Dec-06-06 01:09 PM   #0 
  - I agree with you, have a heart and some class.  OhioBlues   Dec-06-06 01:11 PM   #1 
  - I agree as well  insane_cratic_gal   Dec-06-06 01:13 PM   #2 
  - My father died of Alzheimer's  BOSSHOG   Dec-06-06 01:13 PM   #3 
  - No one deserves AIDS either  LisaM   Dec-06-06 01:14 PM   #4 
  - Look, I certainly agree with you about  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:21 PM   # 
  - That's why I'm torn.....  LisaM   Dec-06-06 01:31 PM   #22 
  - hell, he didn't simply refuse to fund research. He and a lot of RWers  ComerPerro   Dec-06-06 01:58 PM   #39 
  - I refuse to believe that many lib/progressives would feel this way  hlthe2b   Dec-06-06 01:15 PM   #5 
  - Exactly, thank you.  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:39 PM   #25 
  - I have great sympathy for his family during those awful years...  QuestionAll...   Dec-06-06 01:15 PM   #6 
  - thats awful. I had a similar experience at a board i moderate at, it went something  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-06-06 01:15 PM   #7 
  - Yikes, that's awful!  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:34 PM   #23 
     - he had no reaction and then never came back, he was actually a pretty long  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-06-06 02:01 PM   #41 
  - I have to disagree, because for most of the course of that disease  Warpy   Dec-06-06 01:16 PM   #8 
  - I'm sorry, but that isn't true that he had no clue.  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:28 PM   #19 
  - I think its funny as hell, and I am not ashamed to say it  ComerPerro   Dec-06-06 01:59 PM   #40 
  - I totally agree.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-06-06 01:16 PM   #9 
  - That wicked, evil, lying, selfish, disgusting old man turned  acmavm   Dec-06-06 01:17 PM   #10 
  - !!  Blue State Native   Dec-06-06 01:18 PM   #11 
  - Went through Alzheimers with my Grandpa and I'm with you on this one  jgraz   Dec-06-06 01:21 PM   #14 
  - God almighty, if you've been through it with  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:31 PM   #21 
     - God almighty, if you've been through the Reagan administration,  jgraz   Dec-06-06 02:07 PM   #46 
  - Well, then, I actually feel sorry for you if you carry that  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:42 PM   #27 
  - Don't waste your pity or expect me to give you that pat on the  acmavm   Dec-06-06 01:52 PM   #32 
     - And just what in the hell makes you think  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 02:01 PM   #42 
        - In other words, if you've truly experienced it you couldn't possibly feel differently than I do  jgraz   Dec-06-06 02:10 PM   #51 
  - THAT is exactly why I had no pity for Reagan...  mitchum   Dec-06-06 02:13 PM   #57 
  - He's dead, it's over  Nick Fallon   Dec-06-06 03:12 PM   #87 
  - IMO Reagan was a naive puppet, anyway, IMO.  Odin2005   Dec-06-06 01:19 PM   #12 
  - I also agree with you; but ...  Benhurst   Dec-06-06 01:19 PM   #13 
  - That's definitely a very good point,  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:46 PM   #28 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-06-06 01:21 PM   #15 
  - I hate to say it, but the OP seems like a classic straw-man argument  htuttle   Dec-06-06 01:24 PM   #16 
  - AGREED! TOTALLY!  novalib   Dec-06-06 02:22 PM   #69 
  - I doubt Nancy was cleaning bedpans.  cspanlovr   Dec-06-06 01:24 PM   #17 
  - And just how do you know that?  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:37 PM   #24 
     - She's a filthy rich Reagan.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-06-06 01:41 PM   #26 
        - Oh, so that means that she didn't feel  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:54 PM   #33 
           - Oh, she certainly suffered.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-06-06 01:56 PM   #36 
           - Nancy Reagan "Suffered"???!!!!!  novalib   Dec-06-06 02:10 PM   #50 
  - I agree with you  LeftishBrit   Dec-06-06 01:27 PM   #18 
  - quite a difference between 'wishing ill' on someone and  QuestionAll...   Dec-06-06 01:48 PM   #30 
     - I confess, I did it. I caused it. You can thank me later  ComerPerro   Dec-06-06 02:10 PM   # 
        - you put in the wrong order!  QuestionAll...   Dec-06-06 02:19 PM   #67 
           - i never claimed to be GOOD at voodoo, just that I did this...  ComerPerro   Dec-06-06 02:34 PM   #74 
           - Now, I agree with THAT (especially for Bush and Cheney)!!!!  LeftishBrit   Dec-06-06 02:52 PM   #83 
              - I'll pass on my sympathy for Ronny list onto my next generations...  QuestionAll...   Dec-06-06 03:07 PM   #84 
  - Or, as one poster on another board put it,  TOJ   Dec-06-06 01:30 PM   #20 
  - I heard the historian for the Reagan Library say several years ago  Benhurst   Dec-06-06 01:55 PM   #34 
  - The backlash is coming.  lpbk2713   Dec-06-06 01:47 PM   #29 
  - Umm, excuse me, but what  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 01:57 PM   #37 
     - I'll explain for your benefit.  lpbk2713   Dec-06-06 02:08 PM   #47 
  - fuck ronald reagan  JVS   Dec-06-06 01:50 PM   #31 
  - Reagan the person I am sorry for. Reagan the politician? No  uppityperson   Dec-06-06 01:56 PM   #35 
  - you know what? Fuck him. He was inhuman, and did some really evil shit  ComerPerro   Dec-06-06 01:57 PM   #38 
  - Cough. Hurricane Katrina changed everything....  baby_mouse   Dec-06-06 02:03 PM   #43 
  - Sorry, no tears for that  Lurking_Argyle   Dec-06-06 02:05 PM   #44 
  - also seconded. the man is not seperate from the politician.  lionesspriyanka   Dec-06-06 02:43 PM   #82 
  - Reagan DESERVED What He Got!!!!!!!  novalib   Dec-06-06 02:06 PM   #45 
  - Remember kids...  Dangerman   Dec-06-06 02:11 PM   #53 
  - He INVADED GRANADA!!  novalib   Dec-06-06 02:14 PM   #58 
     - That nice little city in Spain? The bastard!  jgraz   Dec-06-06 02:16 PM   #62 
        - He WANTED TO (I think)  novalib   Dec-06-06 02:18 PM   #66 
  - seconded.  lionesspriyanka   Dec-06-06 02:12 PM   #54 
  - And yet you'd probably be  liberalhistorian   Dec-06-06 02:12 PM   #55 
     - When freepers say the same kind of thing about whom?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-06-06 02:13 PM   #56 
     - perhaps people mix politician part with human part  uppityperson   Dec-06-06 02:15 PM   #60 
     - I Seriously Doubt That Freepers  novalib   Dec-06-06 02:16 PM   #61 
     - Anger and hatred has a tendency  insane_cratic_gal   Dec-06-06 02:17 PM   #64 
     - who would freepers say this of? and did this person cause untold misery?  lionesspriyanka   Dec-06-06 02:21 PM   #68 
  - did your stepdad ignore the AIDS crisis? alzheimers was too good for reagan while for most people  lionesspriyanka   Dec-06-06 02:10 PM   #48 
  - Jesus, I was so bugged by the OP that I left that off!  jgraz   Dec-06-06 02:14 PM   #59 
     - me too..only time i want to believe in when men like him die...  lionesspriyanka   Dec-06-06 02:16 PM   #63 
  - Here's a switch.  Behind the Aegis   Dec-06-06 02:10 PM   #49 
  - Man didn't put him in prison, fate did. I disagree that he was better than W  jobycom   Dec-06-06 02:11 PM   #52 
  - I may sometimes think it, but I don't say it publicly,  geniph   Dec-06-06 02:18 PM   #65 
  - Do you also feel bad for Pinochet and his heart troubles?  jgraz   Dec-06-06 02:22 PM   #70 
  - Oh -- and Hitler committed suicide! Depression is such a terrible disease  jgraz   Dec-06-06 02:25 PM   #71 
  - You beat me to it.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-06-06 02:28 PM   #72 
  - lol, good points  ComerPerro   Dec-06-06 02:35 PM   #75 
  - I do and I have close ties to Chile. I disdain everything he did  Cleita   Dec-06-06 02:36 PM   #76 
     - Plenty of "Physically Broken Old Men"  novalib   Dec-06-06 02:39 PM   #78 
     - hey, I'm sure most of us respect your position  jgraz   Dec-06-06 02:39 PM   #79 
  - I agree. If I feel a politician should be made accountable, it should be  Cleita   Dec-06-06 02:33 PM   #73 
  - Why Not BOTH????  novalib   Dec-06-06 02:37 PM   #77 
  - in Reagan's case because of the AIDS crisis a terrible disease was apropos.  lionesspriyanka   Dec-06-06 02:40 PM   #80 
  - I didn't like Reagan as president, but was sad for he and his family regarding alzheimers  noonwitch   Dec-06-06 02:42 PM   #81 
  - Alzheimer's is less a curse on the sufferer  pabsungenis   Dec-06-06 03:07 PM   #85 
  - My Grandfather, a rather large man at 6'5" and 275 pounds  dogday   Dec-06-06 03:11 PM   #86 
  - Thanks for your post, liberalhistorian  SeattleGirl   Dec-06-06 03:30 PM   #88 
  - People who express moral outrage are not "disgusting"  jgraz   Dec-06-06 03:49 PM   #91 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 03:37 PM   #89 
  - sexual orientationist much?  uppityperson   Dec-06-06 03:40 PM   #90 
  - Your stepdad has early Alzheimer's because Reagan stopped RESEARCH  IdaBriggs   Dec-06-06 03:54 PM   #92 
  - Excellent, excellent point  jgraz   Dec-06-06 03:59 PM   #94 
  - My mom died this summer of complications related to Alz...  warrens   Dec-06-06 03:54 PM   #93 
  - Great post.  ronnykmarshall   Dec-06-06 04:01 PM   #95 
  - people who listen in on other people's convos are seldom happy abt what they hear  pitohui   Dec-06-06 04:02 PM   #96 
  - Locking.  pinto   Dec-06-06 04:03 PM   #97 

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