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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:03 AM
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35. Hey!
lookie here folks we have an expert on polls and polling and voters!

Forget all you ever heard about polls and about all that money spent on polls, and what the *other* poll experts have said about polls, because we now know that none of the pollls are capable of telling us anything - they have no value!

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  -Evidence of 2006 Election Fraud Time for change  Dec-04-06 11:54 PM   #0 
  - Thanks for posting  Peace is Possible   Dec-05-06 01:24 AM   #1 
  - I simply do not trust the system  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-05-06 01:26 AM   #2 
  - we must fix the election system  leftofthedial   Dec-05-06 01:30 AM   #3 
  - Very correct, LOTD.  Larry Allen   Dec-05-06 09:27 AM   #29 
  - Yes, the financing system too  Time for change   Dec-05-06 07:48 PM   #68 
  - There's so much to do.  Dr_eldritch   Dec-05-06 01:50 AM   #4 
  - This is a permalink for me.  Gwerlain   Dec-05-06 01:55 AM   #5 
  - Wow, the # 4 observation...  rumpel   Dec-05-06 02:50 AM   #6 
  - No, I haven't received an update on that  Time for change   Dec-05-06 11:08 AM   #40 
     - Time for Change -- that is an important observation on #4.  Zan_of_Texas   Dec-05-06 12:48 PM   #46 
        - I have no more information on it at this time  Time for change   Dec-05-06 03:59 PM   #60 
           - "We shouldn't be using any unverifiable machines, period."  Zan_of_Texas   Dec-05-06 07:10 PM   #67 
              - Yes, I agree with all of that  Time for change   Dec-05-06 11:30 PM   #83 
  - Nicely done! Thanks. Was there any further inquiry into machine #4...  livvy   Dec-05-06 05:07 AM   #7 
  - Thanks -- No, I have no more information on that than what is in the OP  Time for change   Dec-05-06 05:39 PM   #65 
  - I took the fairness of the election process for granted until 2000  corkhead   Dec-05-06 05:14 AM   #8 
  - I think voter fraud has been around since the beginning  ktlyon   Dec-05-06 01:11 PM   #48 
  - Many, many 1 in 10,000 probabilities are needed to accept plausibility of 9-11 and pre-emptive war  indepat   Dec-05-06 06:26 AM   #9 
  - No more excuses! Let's hold election supervisors and pollsters accountable.  Sancho   Dec-05-06 06:28 AM   #10 
  - Thank you -- Fortunately, there are many organizations working on  Time for change   Dec-05-06 10:04 PM   #76 
  - Clumsy Poll Analysis is Evidence of Squat.  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-05-06 07:05 AM   #11 
  - As I said  Time for change   Dec-05-06 07:45 AM   #12 
  - Apparently, you "strongly disagree" with something...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-05-06 08:08 AM   #13 
     - Can you be more specific about that?  Time for change   Dec-05-06 08:36 AM   #16 
        - The same two analysis in my first reply.  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-05-06 08:47 AM   #19 
           - Yes, but what is your reason for referring to them as "clumsy"?  Time for change   Dec-05-06 08:56 AM   #22 
              - Throughly discussed:  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-05-06 09:05 AM   #24 
                 - I thought you were referring to my analysis, and now I'm not sure  Time for change   Dec-05-06 09:50 AM   #32 
                    - In short, my esteem for your...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-09-06 12:02 AM   #111 
  - we'll have to come back to the generic polls  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-06 08:34 AM   #15 
  - Thank you OTOH -- One point of contention  Time for change   Dec-05-06 09:11 AM   #25 
     - those could both be true  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-06 02:07 PM   #51 
     - OK, I was wondering why these hadn't kicked out  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-06 07:59 PM   #69 
        - Margin of error  Time for change   Dec-05-06 08:49 PM   #73 
           - extend that square root  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-06-06 05:31 AM   #87 
              - Thanks OTOH -- I will go back and have a re-look at these races  Time for change   Dec-06-06 07:41 AM   #89 
  - You can fool some of the people  BeFree   Dec-05-06 08:49 AM   #20 
  - You do realize that ...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-05-06 08:59 AM   #23 
     - Of course  BeFree   Dec-05-06 09:19 AM   #26 
        - You do realize that both...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-05-06 09:38 AM   #30 
           - All one needs to know  BeFree   Dec-05-06 09:49 AM   #31 
           - so let's impound some machines and run some tests and look at  ktlyon   Dec-05-06 01:28 PM   #50 
              - The people should have total access to the machines  Time for change   Dec-05-06 06:39 PM   #66 
                 - F... them I want to know  ktlyon   Dec-07-06 10:33 AM   #107 
                    - Yes, we can, but I'm pretty sure they have the capability of writing programs  Time for change   Dec-07-06 12:54 PM   #108 
  - Ditto  Febble   Dec-05-06 09:21 AM   #27 
     - I love it  BeFree   Dec-05-06 09:58 AM   #33 
     - You know what I am asking  Febble   Dec-05-06 11:25 AM   #43 
     - It is a matter of degree  Time for change   Dec-05-06 09:58 AM   #34 
        - Not so much degree  Febble   Dec-05-06 10:37 AM   #36 
           - I don't believe that 2004 is a good year for comparison purposes  Time for change   Dec-05-06 11:01 AM   #39 
              - OK  Febble   Dec-05-06 11:19 AM   #41 
                 - I look at it like this Febble  Time for change   Dec-05-06 02:19 PM   #52 
                    - Well, that's coherent!  Febble   Dec-05-06 03:03 PM   #58 
                       - Yes, I did a chi square on the machine differences  Time for change   Dec-05-06 05:11 PM   #63 
                          - Well the fact that  Febble   Dec-05-06 05:37 PM   #64 
                             - Yes, I believe you're correct about the importance of the seals  Time for change   Dec-05-06 10:34 PM   #77 
  - Thank you for your service at the polls  LiberalEsto   Dec-05-06 08:14 AM   #14 
  - Yes, I was very happy to see that too  Time for change   Dec-05-06 11:11 PM   #80 
     - This year, yes  LiberalEsto   Dec-06-06 12:23 PM   #96 
  - I'll kick that. - n/t  porphyrian   Dec-05-06 08:38 AM   #17 
  - 4% discrepancy. Just enough to win an election and not raise  Texas Explorer   Dec-05-06 08:41 AM   #18 
  - Just about the same amount as in 2004  Norquist Nemesis   Dec-05-06 08:52 AM   #21 
     - It was 5.5% in 2004  Time for change   Dec-05-06 09:37 PM   #75 
  - Oh for Crying out loud....I have to take you to task on the first two items.  Perky   Dec-05-06 09:25 AM   #28 
  - Hey!  BeFree   Dec-05-06 10:03 AM   #35 
  - Polling aside  PATRICK   Dec-05-06 10:53 AM   #38 
  - heh  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-06 02:21 PM   #54 
     - Moi? Cherry pick?  BeFree   Dec-05-06 09:11 PM   #74 
        - no, it doesn't  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-06-06 05:34 AM   #88 
           - Easy fella  BeFree   Dec-06-06 08:26 AM   #91 
              - the question is, do you?  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-06-06 09:05 AM   #93 
  - Better than you have waded through the books on polling and statistics and are  Raster   Dec-05-06 10:50 AM   #37 
  - I did not say there was no fraud...sheesh  Perky   Dec-05-06 01:22 PM   #49 
  - hmmm...  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-06 02:27 PM   #55 
  - Kick n/t  AzDar   Dec-05-06 11:22 AM   #42 
  - What a well-written overview of this topic.  bleever   Dec-05-06 11:55 AM   #44 
  - tammy was robbed  mopinko   Dec-05-06 12:34 PM   #45 
  - The Democratic Voting system lives on!  Mrspeeker   Dec-05-06 12:50 PM   #47 
  - keep kicked  brettdale   Dec-05-06 02:20 PM   #53 
  - Knock it off with the generic ballots.  Kelly Rupert   Dec-05-06 02:27 PM   #56 
  - Where do you get that from?  Time for change   Dec-05-06 02:54 PM   #57 
     - personally, I think Pew was probably not far off  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-06 03:27 PM   #59 
        - oh, by the way  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-06 04:36 PM   #61 
           - If I understand correctly what you're saying  Time for change   Dec-05-06 04:59 PM   #62 
              - actually, there are two lines of argument  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-06 08:17 PM   #70 
              - Ya know, on the 4th thru the 7th of Nov  truedelphi   Dec-07-06 11:01 PM   #110 
  - great post! k & r !  NotGivingUp   Dec-05-06 08:41 PM   #71 
  - K&R Hand Counted Paper Ballots NOW!  In Truth We Trust   Dec-05-06 08:41 PM   #72 
  - I forgot  BeFree   Dec-05-06 10:37 PM   #78 
  - Thank you Be Free  Time for change   Dec-05-06 10:55 PM   #79 
  - Can't argue with that  BeFree   Dec-05-06 11:22 PM   #81 
     - Yes, it is a terrible shame  Time for change   Dec-05-06 11:40 PM   #84 
        - Probably some bias?  BeFree   Dec-06-06 06:06 PM   #98 
           - Not true  Febble   Dec-07-06 03:04 AM   #100 
           - that's hardly all he has for 2004  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-07-06 05:50 AM   #101 
           - 3 things  Time for change   Dec-07-06 01:28 PM   #109 
  - Actually, BeFree  Febble   Dec-06-06 02:01 AM   #86 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 08:56 AM   #92 
        - No, the odds  Febble   Dec-06-06 09:06 AM   #94 
        - Failed to notice  Febble   Dec-06-06 10:48 AM   #95 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 05:54 PM   #97 
              - No, he didn't hire me to "cover"  Febble   Dec-07-06 02:55 AM   #99 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-07-06 08:37 AM   #102 
                    - going after the mods now?  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-07-06 09:07 AM   #103 
                    - For the last time:  Febble   Dec-07-06 09:25 AM   #104 
                       - No  BeFree   Dec-07-06 09:49 AM   #105 
                          - No, you are alleging  Febble   Dec-07-06 10:04 AM   #106 
  - Kick for a lucid post about a dense subject.  bleever   Dec-05-06 11:29 PM   #82 
  - Keep up the great coverage... n/t  truedelphi   Dec-06-06 12:58 AM   #85 
  - We definitely have work to do.  lonestarnot   Dec-06-06 08:09 AM   #90 
 

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