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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. Well, now we know.
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 12:33 AM by TheMadMonk
You do not allow your kids out of your sight EVER. What a ridiculous statement/claim to make. For this to be even remotely true: Either you teach in a very small school set in the middle of a barren paddock; or you refuse to take responsibility for any child not in your assigned class(room). And even then it's a virtual impossibility.

I've undertaken childcare training and even at a ratio of 8 kids to one adult it is impossible to catch everything, every moment of the day. One child cries out, you turn to look and immediately Billy clonks Betty on the head with a wooden truck behind you.

Of course prevention, when and where possible, is the ideal to strive for. I've already agreed with you on that. However, sometimes things do go pear shaped, no matter how heroic the effort one puts into preventative measures and the only option available is to intervene before things get even worse.

And we now have your bald statement that under such circumstances, you would willfully abrogate your immediate and obvious responsibility in order to seek out another onto which to unload that responsibility.

In the specific circumstances of the OP and the hypothetical scenario I outlined, you by your own words (there is no other possible interpretation) would allow one child to: in all likelihood seriously injure; probably maim; or even possibly kill another, because you won't/don't resort to violence. But of course that would never happen because YOU are such a perfect educator that such a scenario could never arise on YOUR watch.

And when a cop finally did arrive on the scene, would you attempt to restrain them if (s)he pulled a taser and attempted to use it? Well no, of course not. YOU don't do violence. I can only surmise from your words in previous posts that you'd reach for the phone and demand that cop's immediate sacking and punishment for failing to inhabit your fantasy world.
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  -6th Grader Tazered in School AJ9000  Dec-02-06 12:05 AM   #0 
  - The school police officer carries a GUN???  unschooler   Dec-02-06 12:56 AM   #1 
  - I believe all cops carry guns  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 12:14 PM   #17 
  - Just a minute here, you! You're not using proper Orwell-speak. It's not "school police  kath   Dec-02-06 12:26 PM   #24 
  - Well, after Columbine.......  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Dec-02-06 03:37 PM   #40 
     - Call me an ingenue, but when I was 11, there were no guns in my school.  unschooler   Dec-03-06 07:27 PM   #69 
  - Bet anyone a dollar . . .  Richard D   Dec-02-06 01:14 AM   #2 
  - Mate. Give the reports, ethnicity is irrelevant.  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 02:22 AM   #4 
  - I'm with you  Vexatious Ape   Dec-02-06 02:47 AM   #5 
  - I confess  Richard D   Dec-02-06 09:32 AM   #9 
     - The key question to ask is, did the cop NEED to taser him to subdue him...  calipendence   Dec-02-06 12:36 PM   #26 
  - You're basically calling the officer a racist...  India3   Dec-02-06 09:43 AM   #10 
  - You're right.  Richard D   Dec-02-06 11:47 AM   #14 
  - This has nothing to do  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 12:15 PM   #18 
     - and Richard D made amends...don't insult him after the fact.  MrCoffee   Dec-02-06 12:18 PM   #20 
        - Yes I just now saw that  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 12:20 PM   #21 
  - If the reports are accurate...  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 01:26 AM   #3 
  - If I was in a smilar situation  dwickham   Dec-02-06 02:59 AM   #6 
  - Tasering a Child in ANY situation should be felony assault  NOLADEM   Dec-02-06 07:28 AM   #7 
  - Did you read the articles linked in the OP?  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 08:19 AM   #8 
  - Shooting is the ONLY excuse?  mondo joe   Dec-02-06 09:45 AM   #11 
  - And so if the 85 pound girl was in a coma right now...  India3   Dec-02-06 09:55 AM   #12 
  - screw that. if some 200 pound "kid" is beating my daughter's face in, shoot the bastard.  MrCoffee   Dec-02-06 11:51 AM   #15 
  - I gotta agree. I think the taser was used properly here.  dicksteele   Dec-02-06 01:35 PM   #30 
  - I agree  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 12:17 PM   #19 
  - Would you feel any differently if you were the parent of the small girl that the boy attacked?  quantessd   Dec-02-06 01:42 PM   #31 
  - If I were this girl's parent  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 04:38 PM   #50 
  - You act like the "child" demanded extra tater tots......  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Dec-02-06 03:48 PM   #41 
  - Do you know ANY of the facts here?  Show_Me _The_Truth   Dec-02-06 05:02 PM   #52 
  - After reading the three stories (Youtube isn't working for me), this just makes me sad.  Kerrytravelers   Dec-02-06 10:04 AM   #13 
  - Are you thinking what I am thinking?  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 12:24 PM   #23 
     - I was thinking very much the same thing.  Kerrytravelers   Dec-02-06 01:24 PM   #29 
        - We were just discussing this the other day at school  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 02:01 PM   #33 
  - Thanks for the updates  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 12:13 PM   #16 
  - According to the AJC, he did "just snap"  MrCoffee   Dec-02-06 12:23 PM   #22 
     - The conflict started at lunch  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 12:34 PM   #25 
        - it started as an argument at lunch...from what i've read  MrCoffee   Dec-02-06 12:38 PM   #27 
        - Sure they will claim there was no indication he would get violent!  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 12:43 PM   #28 
           - There are always warning signs that someone is about to blow.  Kerrytravelers   Dec-02-06 01:49 PM   #32 
              - Especially in an 11 year old  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 02:03 PM   #34 
        - Hindsight is 20/20. And you are not aware of all the circumstances.  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 03:00 PM   #36 
           - Do you know what race(s) these children are?  quantessd   Dec-02-06 03:07 PM   #37 
           - Please read what I wrote.  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 04:03 PM   #44 
              - I realize it's pure speculation.  quantessd   Dec-02-06 04:09 PM   #45 
                 - Then the first offense was not mine.  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 04:42 PM   #51 
                    - Okay. You're right, someone else mentioned it first.  quantessd   Dec-02-06 05:36 PM   #57 
           - I already told you what I would have done  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 03:27 PM   #39 
              - I've worked in public schools before.  quantessd   Dec-02-06 03:53 PM   #42 
              - And we KNOW who these kids are  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 04:36 PM   #49 
                 - That's true as well.  quantessd   Dec-02-06 05:32 PM   #56 
              - You told me what you would have done *BEFORE* the fact.  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 04:18 PM   #46 
                 - I would not let it get to that point  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 04:34 PM   #48 
                    - People are human. Soemtimes despite all the best intentions...  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 05:09 PM   #53 
                       - I don't resort to violence to solve problems  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 05:14 PM   #54 
                          - That offends me not at all.  TheMadMonk   Dec-02-06 06:17 PM   #58 
                             - I would call the cops  proud2Blib   Dec-02-06 06:59 PM   #59 
                                - Well, now we know.  TheMadMonk   Dec-03-06 12:30 AM   #60 
                                   - No I don't ever stop watching them  proud2Blib   Dec-03-06 11:38 AM   #64 
                                      - And now we're actually getting somewhere. Thankyou.  TheMadMonk   Dec-03-06 03:36 PM   #65 
  - Poorly socialized children behaving like wild animals  quantessd   Dec-02-06 02:12 PM   #35 
  - That was Mr. kt's first response when I told him about the story.  Kerrytravelers   Dec-02-06 03:21 PM   #38 
     - Agreed, but I disagree with the term "What is HAPPENING to our kids".  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Dec-02-06 04:01 PM   #43 
        - We completely agree with that. These things certainly happened before,  Kerrytravelers   Dec-02-06 04:21 PM   #47 
        - Did you read the article about elephants who've lost their family structure  cryingshame   Dec-02-06 05:27 PM   #55 
        - I agree that this kind of thing was underreported in the past,  bezdomny   Dec-03-06 03:44 AM   #63 
  - can we have a mancatchers/tranq guns for tazers exchange program already...  NuttyFluffers   Dec-03-06 12:36 AM   #61 
  - Tranq guns. Que?  TheMadMonk   Dec-03-06 07:20 PM   #68 
  - I've read through some of the comments here, and I'd like to respond:  AJ9000   Dec-03-06 02:40 AM   #62 
  - It is not the tool that is at fault.  TheMadMonk   Dec-03-06 07:04 PM   #67 
  - Was the kid black/brown? Then OF COURSE the "officer" must be given the benefit of the doubt.  BlooInBloo   Dec-03-06 03:51 PM   #66 
 

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