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64. This blog posting is confusing to me.
Here's the first part of the thesis: The GOP is shrinking into a regional party. The original story is here:

Here's the first three paragraphs:
The Republicans are in danger of being confined to the South

THREE years ago Zell Miller, then a Democratic senator for Georgia, published an anguished book entitled A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat. Today, though, the people who are in that very danger are the Republicans rather than the Democrats.

The Republicans are now engaged in a fierce debate about the meaning of last month's mid-term defeat. Was there anything more to their loss of both chambers of Congress than the six-year itch and an unpopular war? Do they need to press ahead with the conservative agenda or should they revise it? The debate is lively. But it is missing an important aspect: the Zell Miller dimension. Is the Republican Party in danger of shrinking to its southern base? And is it shrinking at exactly the same time that the Democrats are becoming a more national party?

The extent of the southernisation of the Republican Party is astonishing. The party was all but wiped out in its historic base, the north-east. There is now only one Republican in the 22-strong New England House delegation. New Hampshire kicked out its two Republican congressmen (and gave Democrats a majority in both state houses for the first time since 1874). Massachusetts ended 16 years of Republican occupation of the governor's mansion. Rhode Island decapitated Lincoln Chafee despite his moderate record. New York installed Democrats in every statewide office for the first time since 1938.

Now, that's an interesting article, one with some meat behind it.

However, I'm pretty much failing to connect that piece of the blog posting with the second part of the thesis, which is that, to summarize, a lot of the Republican power brokers are from Texas, and that the Texas Republican Party platform is looney. The one does not follow from the other.

Here's the thing: ANY state party platform is going to be naturally extreme; they are written by the crusaders, the true believers. The Texas *DEMOCRATIC* party platform, if I recall correctly, contains an anti-death penalty plank and a medical marijuana plank. So it's interesting, yes, but I'd bet you ten dollars that ANY Republican state party platform will have some weirdo extreme elements in it, if you care to find it.

Now, the other part of the article, that a lot of Republican power brokers are from Texas: Is this news to anyone? And, um, this is a frakking BIG state, with a lot of money floating around, so, um, DUH?

I just don't quite get how the original pieces of the blog posting hang together to give any kind of new insight. :shrug:
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  -GOP is a "National Party No More." Kevin Drum says it's a Texas party. BurtWorm  Dec-01-06 04:27 PM   #0 
  - Why don't we just give them back to Mexico.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-01-06 04:31 PM   #1 
  - It is one of only two states that has a colorable claim to suceed.  depakid   Dec-01-06 04:35 PM   #2 
     - Apologies Not Accepted  Paladin   Dec-01-06 06:29 PM   #19 
        - Amen ...  cool user name   Dec-01-06 08:26 PM   #27 
        - Texas punk...  girl gone mad   Dec-01-06 11:15 PM   #39 
           - Hey, don't blame me! There were plenty of us Californians who  calimary   Dec-02-06 01:54 AM   #44 
           - Didn't know it started with The Butthole Surfers ...  cool user name   Dec-02-06 04:21 PM   #59 
           - American Hardcore  SoCalifer   Dec-04-06 12:39 AM   #65 
        - Well then- take care of  depakid   Dec-01-06 10:43 PM   #38 
        - It's Spelled "Lo Siento" (Spanish For "I'm Sorry")  Paladin   Dec-02-06 09:19 AM   #47 
        - ooo I made a typo  depakid   Dec-02-06 09:33 AM   #50 
        - Well, Hell. There Goes My Out-Of-State Xmas Gift List  Paladin   Dec-02-06 11:07 AM   #54 
        - BAM! Sweet reply.  cool user name   Dec-02-06 04:25 PM   #61 
        - Fuck off and quit generalizing, you turd.  cool user name   Dec-02-06 04:24 PM   #60 
           - Precisely the attitude one expects  depakid   Dec-03-06 09:00 PM   #62 
        - I think the Dixie Chicks said it best  Hippo_Tron   Dec-04-06 12:58 AM   #67 
  - I don't qet it  Ellis Wyatt   Dec-01-06 04:36 PM   #3 
  - I don't "get" it, either.  BurtWorm   Dec-01-06 04:37 PM   #4 
  - Common use  Ellis Wyatt   Dec-01-06 04:48 PM   #7 
  - I'm sorry, but I've never heard that "rule" or 'rule,' as the case may be.  BurtWorm   Dec-01-06 04:54 PM   #13 
     - I'm just chiming in to agree with Ellis Wyatt. If I see quotes, I don't want to have to research  w4rma   Dec-01-06 11:28 PM   #41 
     - My own pet peeve is OT posts on OT posts about grammatical quibbles.  elocs   Dec-02-06 09:42 AM   #52 
  - LOL.  Gelliebeans   Dec-01-06 09:36 PM   #35 
  - Good luck in trying to reform those here and the millions of others online. n/t  elocs   Dec-02-06 09:38 AM   #51 
  - As a native Texan  FitzmasAgain   Dec-01-06 04:45 PM   #5 
  - ah, but it's so easy to beat up on us in here...  MrCoffee   Dec-01-06 04:48 PM   #6 
  - Bullshit.  BurtWorm   Dec-01-06 04:50 PM   #10 
  - This isn't against all of Texas or all Texans.  BurtWorm   Dec-01-06 04:49 PM   #8 
  - "Why don't we give them back to Mexico" isn't against all Texas/Texans?  MrCoffee   Dec-01-06 04:50 PM   #9 
  - That's a post within the thread.  BurtWorm   Dec-01-06 04:51 PM   #11 
  - which reminds me of a joke  evilgenius602   Dec-01-06 06:16 PM   #18 
  - That's fine but another poster wanted us to "suceed" [sic] ...  cool user name   Dec-01-06 08:30 PM   #28 
  - Well  FitzmasAgain   Dec-02-06 04:19 PM   #58 
  - Try being from Massachusetts.....  Little Star   Dec-01-06 04:54 PM   #12 
  - or that fucking salsa commercial that constantly ridicules New Yorkers  TankLV   Dec-01-06 05:54 PM   #16 
     - But it is good salsa  tammywammy   Dec-01-06 07:10 PM   #24 
  - We need you to come home, Fitzmas!  Texas Explorer   Dec-02-06 11:12 AM   #56 
  - Did anyone "Click the link" and read Texas GOP Platform?  madmusic   Dec-01-06 05:52 PM   #14 
  - And Recommend!  madmusic   Dec-01-06 05:53 PM   #15 
  - I think that the GOP will continue to be regionalized  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-01-06 06:01 PM   #17 
  - I tried warning people back when bush was stepping up  Lone_Star_Dem   Dec-01-06 06:34 PM   #20 
  - OK, Texas Dems - now is the time to kick some ass!!  northofdenali   Dec-01-06 06:44 PM   #21 
  - Remember ...  cool user name   Dec-01-06 08:34 PM   #30 
     - Dead last, cool user name -  northofdenali   Dec-01-06 08:45 PM   #32 
     - Great places though I haven't been in San Antonio in 15 years.  cool user name   Dec-01-06 08:54 PM   #34 
     - Just so you know  symbolman   Dec-04-06 01:30 AM   #68 
  - i saw 4 bush/cheney and one "W04" stickers tonight  w8liftinglady   Dec-01-06 06:54 PM   #22 
  - Hi, w8 ! Some folks were asking about you ... hadn't seen you post for awhile.  eppur_se_muova   Dec-01-06 09:54 PM   #36 
  - oh brother another bash Texas thread  judaspriestess   Dec-01-06 07:04 PM   #23 
  - And the only reason Texas is a GOP stronghold is illegal redistricting  cryingshame   Dec-01-06 07:23 PM   #25 
  - It's not all that a stronghold for the GOP like it used to be...  gr8dane_daddy   Dec-02-06 02:29 AM   #45 
     - Dems lack of success statewide seems largely due to finances  Hippo_Tron   Dec-04-06 01:57 AM   #71 
  - It all started there in Texas....from Theocracy Watch and DFA's  madfloridian   Dec-01-06 08:19 PM   #26 
  - Yes, this sucks and it does come from Texas,  tbyg52   Dec-02-06 11:10 AM   #55 
  - I've been saying from wa-a-a-a-y back that we must make NO assumptions  Peace Patriot   Dec-01-06 08:31 PM   #29 
  - Thank you!  cool user name   Dec-01-06 08:36 PM   #31 
  - It's very frustrating to see so many people almost willfully missing the point  BurtWorm   Dec-02-06 09:33 AM   #49 
  - Well, it's a start.  Sapphocrat   Dec-01-06 08:47 PM   #33 
  - I wonder if we could make some sort of trade with Saudi Arabia concering Texas  leesa   Dec-01-06 10:30 PM   #37 
  - I don't even consider Texas to be "the South." To me, it's the Southwest.  Straight Shooter   Dec-01-06 11:23 PM   #40 
  - the others you're looking for are  Leftist78   Dec-02-06 01:16 AM   #42 
  - How could I forget those?  Straight Shooter   Dec-02-06 11:43 AM   #57 
  - East Texas is very much "southern."  DesertedRose   Dec-03-06 09:56 PM   #63 
  - It's interesting...  Leftist78   Dec-02-06 01:52 AM   #43 
  - Thanks So Much For Posting This Information  Paladin   Dec-02-06 09:29 AM   #48 
  - No problem...  Leftist78   Dec-02-06 09:54 AM   #53 
  - The Democratic "solid south" typically went to Dem prez candidates by 70-90%  Hippo_Tron   Dec-04-06 01:52 AM   #70 
  - .  PDittie   Dec-02-06 07:31 AM   #46 
  - This blog posting is confusing to me.  crispini   Dec-03-06 10:30 PM   #64 
  - The *ssholes WAY overplayed their hand during the Shiavo  PassingFair   Dec-04-06 12:53 AM   #66 
  - Your analysis is wrong, because the south isn't solid GOP as it used to be solid Dem  Hippo_Tron   Dec-04-06 01:50 AM   #69 

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