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Fri Dec-01-06 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #33 |
| 36. When speaking about disease progression, |
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in other words, how HIV progresses over time in a person who is untreated, there are certain stages that the disease goes through.
The first is transmission. Seems basic, but you can be exposed to HIV many times before transmission occurs. But once transmission occurs, about 4-5 days after, an increase in viral load happens, as well as a drop in the CD4/T-cells. Flu-like symptoms occur in some, but most people will not have this experience.
Eventually, once the immune system figures out a response to the HIV infections, antibodies are produced and the viral load drops dramatically and the CD4/T-cell go back up. This is called "seroconversion". Once seroconversion occurs, a person with HIV moves into an "asymptomatic" period, where they don't show any symptoms of an HIV infection. We don't know how long the "asymptomatic" period lasts and but we do know it's going to differ from person to person.
After the asymptomatic period comes the "symptomatic" stage. This is when those flu-like symptoms return, but this time they may be more persistent and don't go away. What also is going on in someone who is HIV+ and not on treatment, is that on average, they are losing 50-80 CD4/T-cells per years. CD4 cells are the generals of our immune system. They tell everyone else what to do. So losing CD4 cells is not a good thing. You increasingly become susceptible to diseases called "Opportunistic Infections".
Once the symptomatic phase comes to an end, an AIDS diagnosis is given. I've described what an AIDS diagnosis is in another thread. If you want me to go over this, I can. After an AIDS diagnosis, is Advanced AIDS (CD4 cells below 50) and then death. But remember, this is all disease progression in people who are not on treatment.
To quickly address you other question, HAART can be very toxic. But again, it differs from person to person. We all have our own, unique immune systems, as well as metabolisms, so the HIV meds are going to act differently on a case to case basis. With that said, every med has a side effect. Some meds hurt the liver, some cause lypodystrophy (fatty deposits on the back of the neck, a "buffalo hump" for ex.) Diarrhea, nightmares(more common with Sustiva), even a false positive for a marijuana test (which sucks if you are in a drug treatment program) are side effects.
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| -Let's have a conversation about HIV/AIDS. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 11:52 AM |
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I'll ask a question. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-01-06 11:59 AM |
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That's a great question. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 12:05 PM |
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Ten years, eh? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-01-06 12:12 PM |
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Let me add one thing: |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 12:23 PM |
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Can you site your source for this one? Thanks |
Maraya1969 |
Dec-02-06 06:29 PM |
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I don't have a link to the training manual that we use. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 06:37 PM |
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Is Magic Johnson currently in good health? -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-01-06 12:01 PM |
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As far as I know, yes. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 12:10 PM |
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In the interests of kicking the thread, I have |
Q3JR4 |
Dec-01-06 12:02 PM |
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Great questions. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 12:21 PM |
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TY for the answers. |
Q3JR4 |
Dec-01-06 06:27 PM |
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Great thread |
Der Blaue Engel |
Dec-01-06 01:17 PM |
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Thank you for your contribution. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 01:27 PM |
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debunked? wow, I thought I followed AIDS news but I never heard that |
AZDemDist6 |
Dec-01-06 08:37 PM |
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Here's my source. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 08:58 PM |
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fascinating! one more myth laid to rest. Thanks! n/t |
AZDemDist6 |
Dec-01-06 09:05 PM |
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Luckily, I and hopefully many others |
tavalon |
Dec-01-06 11:21 PM |
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You're O neg? |
tavalon |
Dec-01-06 11:18 PM |
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WONDERFUL thread. Please explain about getting "an AIDS test" and "catching AIDS" |
Bluebear |
Dec-01-06 01:33 PM |
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OK |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 01:42 PM |
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For the sake of clarity |
frustrated_lefty |
Dec-03-06 01:42 AM |
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An ELISA very rarely comes back as a false positive. |
JackBeck |
Dec-03-06 01:54 AM |
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Agreed. |
frustrated_lefty |
Dec-03-06 03:40 AM |
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My wish is that more people would understand the difference |
JackBeck |
Dec-03-06 11:21 PM |
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Who wants to take my quiz? |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 02:34 PM |
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Alright. Here's the answer. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 04:47 PM |
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You are really good at this! |
tavalon |
Dec-01-06 11:25 PM |
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Yup, it's my job. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 11:39 PM |
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Differences between men and women @ time of AIDS diagnosis |
uppityperson |
Dec-02-06 12:51 AM |
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As we do more research, it looks as though there is a difference |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 01:04 AM |
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Thanks. As it has hopped into wider categories of people, things need to change. |
uppityperson |
Dec-02-06 01:13 AM |
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You're right where we are. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 01:18 AM |
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thank you for the information and the reminder to NOT say... (&?) |
uppityperson |
Dec-02-06 01:13 PM |
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Is the transmission rate going down? |
Annces |
Dec-01-06 04:50 PM |
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Unfortunately, transmission is not going down. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 04:57 PM |
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thanks n/t |
Annces |
Dec-01-06 05:58 PM |
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Any time. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 06:12 PM |
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Excellent Jack! |
Texasgal |
Dec-01-06 06:20 PM |
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We do a four-day training, among other things. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 07:09 PM |
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So, it is your work |
tavalon |
Dec-01-06 11:26 PM |
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Thank you. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 12:42 AM |
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Here's a random one: |
kiahzero |
Dec-01-06 06:24 PM |
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That's a great question, but I don't know. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 07:13 PM |
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On second thought: |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 07:18 PM |
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Outstanding topic! |
tpsbmam |
Dec-01-06 06:52 PM |
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Thank you for sharing your experiences. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 07:41 PM |
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Oh I believe it.... |
tpsbmam |
Dec-02-06 06:11 AM |
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I'll help by kicking this. - n/t |
porphyrian |
Dec-01-06 07:42 PM |
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Thanks. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 07:59 PM |
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I'd say it's just because the people here are likely more knowledgable on the subject... |
porphyrian |
Dec-01-06 08:05 PM |
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I hope so. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 08:18 PM |
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Thank you Jack! I will turn 50 in two weeks. I lost 80% of my friends and peers |
Raster |
Dec-01-06 08:02 PM |
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"It's just moved back into the closet." That is...so depressing. |
BlueIris |
Dec-01-06 08:19 PM |
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What still moves it back into the fucking closet? Lack of self-worth and |
Raster |
Dec-01-06 10:18 PM |
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Oh. |
BlueIris |
Dec-01-06 11:17 PM |
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I heard a theory on NPR today that sounded like a likely possibility |
tavalon |
Dec-01-06 11:34 PM |
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Also a good explanation. nt |
BlueIris |
Dec-01-06 11:45 PM |
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Thank You, Raster. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 08:26 PM |
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Hey Jack. |
GymGeekAus |
Dec-01-06 08:22 PM |
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When speaking about disease progression, |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 08:46 PM |
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Out of curiosity, what do you think is the most widely-believed myth |
BlueIris |
Dec-01-06 09:06 PM |
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The most widely believed myth is that the government made HIV |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 09:25 PM |
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Jesus Christ. |
BlueIris |
Dec-01-06 09:31 PM |
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Whenever we talk about transmission of HIV |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 09:50 PM |
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Excellent. I was familiar with much of the info in this response, |
BlueIris |
Dec-01-06 09:56 PM |
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Government inaction, however, |
GymGeekAus |
Dec-01-06 10:03 PM |
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You know, I was just going to post that. |
BlueIris |
Dec-01-06 10:06 PM |
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I have never forgiven Reagan and his VP |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 10:43 PM |
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Are you familiar with the Committee of Ten Thousand? |
dddem |
Dec-02-06 06:16 AM |
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I recently got an email from Larry Kramer at work. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 09:58 AM |
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I can understand the passion around conspiracy theories with HIV/AIDS. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 10:41 PM |
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Some factoids |
frustrated_lefty |
Dec-03-06 02:09 AM |
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Could you please elaborate? |
JackBeck |
Dec-03-06 02:26 AM |
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Sure, I can try at least |
frustrated_lefty |
Dec-03-06 03:31 AM |
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You're correct in observing that HIV could have been transmitted |
JackBeck |
Dec-03-06 10:57 PM |
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One thing you'll be happy to hear |
tavalon |
Dec-01-06 11:45 PM |
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I wish I could answer your excellent questions, but I don't come from a prevention background. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 11:52 PM |
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That's ok |
tavalon |
Dec-02-06 12:11 AM |
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Do the research and continue your sex seminars. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 12:37 AM |
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After my first response I just thought of something: |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 11:56 PM |
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heard same thing 'bout female/male condoms. |
NuttyFluffers |
Dec-02-06 11:36 PM |
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Your information about both male and female condoms is very valuable. |
JackBeck |
Dec-03-06 01:00 AM |
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I want to kick this |
ismnotwasm |
Dec-01-06 10:48 PM |
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I get kidney questions all the time. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 11:00 PM |
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Interesting. nt |
BlueIris |
Dec-01-06 11:04 PM |
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HIV-Associated Nephopathy (HIVAN) |
REP |
Dec-02-06 12:11 AM |
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Just wanted to say hey :) |
sjbech |
Dec-01-06 11:42 PM |
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I wish we had a better environment in this country that would embrace needle exchange programs. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 11:47 PM |
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Me, too... |
sjbech |
Dec-01-06 11:55 PM |
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I always have to feel those words out when I do a workshop at a new organization. |
JackBeck |
Dec-01-06 11:58 PM |
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Kick. |
Harvey Korman |
Dec-02-06 12:02 AM |
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Much appreciated. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 02:26 AM |
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Jack, please journal this thread. |
northofdenali |
Dec-02-06 01:22 AM |
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Thank you so much. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 01:35 AM |
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Another kick for the night owls |
tavalon |
Dec-02-06 04:33 AM |
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Several years ago (mid to late 80s) my Dad believed it could be transmitted |
Mythsaje |
Dec-02-06 05:23 PM |
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Mosquitoes tend to only bite one person at a time. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 05:31 PM |
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Awesome explanation... |
Mythsaje |
Dec-02-06 05:33 PM |
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I always wondered the same thing. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 06:28 PM |
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An update for your knowledge base, and some advice |
wiley |
Dec-02-06 05:29 PM |
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Thank you for the information. |
JackBeck |
Dec-02-06 06:13 PM |
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Thanks for what you do, again. We can get the money we all need if |
wiley |
Dec-02-06 10:29 PM |
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Can you believe they want to distribute Ryan White money |
JackBeck |
Dec-03-06 12:37 AM |
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It's sick politics. If states would allocate more, or any, money to Medicaid |
wiley |
Dec-03-06 01:26 AM |
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I cannot support mandatory testing. |
Bluebear |
Dec-03-06 01:03 AM |
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I agree. But it's already mandated by the CDC. There is an opt-out clause, |
wiley |
Dec-03-06 01:46 AM |
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Latest advances towards a "cure." |
frustrated_lefty |
Dec-03-06 03:50 AM |
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My money is more on an attachment inhibitor. |
JackBeck |
Dec-03-06 11:08 PM |
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MK-0518, the integrase inhibitor, will get the OK before any drug |
wiley |
Dec-04-06 12:52 AM |
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