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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #77
85. whoah there now...
the Mex Supreme Court only did a 1% recount of the precincts that went primarily to Calderon. Whereas Obrador had many pieces of evidence to suggest Election fraud in SPECIFIC precincts and areas... none of which were investigated. This evidence was ignored and the Court refused to go any further in the recount. (of which by the way Obrador gained 10 to 14% of that 1% recount tally, despite those precincts being chosen because of the fact that they were districts that were expected to lean towards Calderon)

According to Obradors camp and other Mexican critics of Calderon, Obrador would have won the election by at least 8% if the votes were counted accurately. You call that "low-level" fraud?

This election cycle had absolutely NOTHING to do with the "rule of law", if you had been paying attention since it started you would know that. And as far as judicial process is concerned do you really think the Mexican judges are playing fair? That they don't have interests that would warrant keeping the Status Quo in place? Maybe you really are a pragmatist, but for your sake i hope you're not as gullible as you sound, because that's a rough combination.

Sorry, not trying to offend, just angry over the situation and some of the comments on this thread.


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  -Mexican pretender Calderon can't be sworn in in public because sfexpat2000  Dec-01-06 10:42 AM   #0 
  - Let the voters decide! Thanks sfexpat for posting this.  mod mom   Dec-01-06 10:45 AM   #1 
  - NO STOLEN ELECTIONS!  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 10:50 AM   #2 
  - The Mexican oligarchy trembles at the shadow of their own people!  John Q. Citizen   Dec-01-06 10:52 AM   #3 
  - John Gibler: Human Rights Observer Held Incommunicado in Oaxaca  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 10:54 AM   #4 
  - It's done  WesDem   Dec-01-06 10:54 AM   #5 
  - But will the tyrant be able to govern?  Benhurst   Dec-01-06 10:58 AM   #8 
  - The elites can't really count on BushCo any more, can they?  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 11:00 AM   #10 
  - That has nothing to do with my response to the OP  WesDem   Dec-01-06 11:03 AM   #11 
     - My OP is not inaccurate. They were unable to hold a public  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 11:13 AM   #17 
        - Not true, simply not true  WesDem   Dec-01-06 11:30 AM   #26 
        - either cnn or msnbc reported he was sworn in at MIDNIGHT  orleans   Dec-01-06 01:10 PM   #50 
        - He wasn't  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 03:01 PM   #68 
        - Yea, the enjoyment that Mexico has a government that is in shambles.........  nolabels   Dec-01-06 02:21 PM   #64 
           - Hmm eroding support  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 03:02 PM   #69 
              - I cannot substantiate my view about the erosion of support..............  nolabels   Dec-01-06 03:43 PM   #74 
        - Was he inaguared in the chamber of deputies  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 11:42 AM   #30 
        - The presidency passed at The Pines at one minute to midnight  Wiley50   Dec-01-06 11:53 AM   #37 
           - For those of us who read Spanish  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 11:57 AM   #38 
  - Show me the pretense, WesDem. Then, go show it to the  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 10:58 AM   #9 
  - As I've pointed out, sfexpat2000  WesDem   Dec-01-06 11:05 AM   #14 
     - Nothing to do with hurting me. My family has seen too many  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 11:09 AM   #16 
        - He was inaugurated in the Chamber of Deputies  WesDem   Dec-01-06 11:17 AM   #20 
           - You get a grip. My OP is accurate. How many members  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 11:23 AM   #21 
              - Your OP is WRONG  WesDem   Dec-01-06 11:27 AM   #25 
              - No members of the electorate  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 11:44 AM   #32 
  - I sense happiness in your post. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-01-06 11:44 AM   #31 
  - I just give you the truth  WesDem   Dec-01-06 12:08 PM   #40 
     - There's no truth in your suggestion that the OP was pretending  rman   Dec-01-06 12:16 PM   #42 
        - You have a point  WesDem   Dec-01-06 12:26 PM   #45 
           - The transcript of the Democracy Now! report is available at their  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-06 11:33 AM   #95 
              - I'll give it a shot, sfexpat, on Calderon's "secret" ceremony  WesDem   Dec-03-06 10:31 AM   #123 
  - Wes Dem. That's my girl! Yee Haa!  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Dec-01-06 02:31 PM   #66 
  - So is Obrador  gorbal   Dec-02-06 11:27 PM   #121 
  - CounterPunch: Acclaimed Muralist Among Oaxaca's Disappeared  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 10:56 AM   #6 
  - Viva Mexico, Oaxaca y Obrador! K&R! What a story! It is far from  mom cat   Dec-01-06 10:57 AM   #7 
  - k & r: if Dems fight next time, maybe GOP will have to do something this pathetic too  yurbud   Dec-01-06 11:04 AM   #13 
  - Kick for an end to stolen elections. - n/t  porphyrian   Dec-01-06 11:03 AM   #12 
  - For sure! Calderon will be all over that!  Judi Lynn   Dec-01-06 12:05 PM   #39 
  - The SF Chronicle, aka my local fish wrap, is calling teachers, nurses  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 11:06 AM   #15 
  - Economic reforms --- read: draconian neo=liberal oppression of  mom cat   Dec-01-06 11:26 AM   #24 
  - Drug cartels=CIA=Wall Street  FogerRox   Dec-01-06 11:38 AM   #29 
  - of course, not a word on RW terrorism organized from up high  rman   Dec-01-06 01:03 PM   #47 
  - reminds me so much of jan 2001  mopinko   Dec-01-06 11:15 AM   #18 
  - exactly. (and well put i might add) n/t  orleans   Dec-01-06 01:18 PM   #56 
  - Recommended  Solly Mack   Dec-01-06 11:17 AM   #19 
  - HW Bush attended the reception for Calderon?  shance   Dec-01-06 11:23 AM   #22 
  - I've got to go walk the monster puppy. Please keep kicked  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-06 11:25 AM   #23 
  - Will do!  meganmonkey   Dec-01-06 11:33 AM   #27 
  - Uh, what I saw this A.M. was in PUBLIC: Quorum of congress, the  UTUSN   Dec-01-06 11:36 AM   #28 
  - What I saw was DEMOCRACY - loud, ugly, democracy n/t  UTUSN   Dec-01-06 09:05 PM   #80 
  - I'm appalled that so many here state as a fact the election was stolen  slackmaster   Dec-01-06 11:47 AM   #33 
  - Well reality is not something the locals  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 11:48 AM   #34 
  - Don't you know?  liberalpragmatist   Dec-01-06 12:16 PM   #43 
  - that's not the reason  rman   Dec-01-06 01:08 PM   #49 
  - sounds like someone needs a refresher course in the 2000 and 2004  orleans   Dec-01-06 01:24 PM   #57 
  - 2000 was stolen  liberalpragmatist   Dec-01-06 05:03 PM   #77 
     - we know it was stolen  diane in sf   Dec-01-06 10:15 PM   #82 
     - whoah there now...  druidity33   Dec-02-06 06:53 AM   #85 
        - I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree  liberalpragmatist   Dec-02-06 02:10 PM   #101 
  - No. You don't see people saying Colombia, Germany or Australia were stolen.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-01-06 02:03 PM   #61 
  - Here's the evidence  rman   Dec-01-06 01:06 PM   #48 
  - Easily explained by Mexico's geography and demographics  slackmaster   Dec-01-06 01:14 PM   #53 
  - It assumes that distribution of party loyalty of 100 to 1  rman   Dec-01-06 01:26 PM   #59 
  - Sounds just like the repukes excuses for the election anomalies  greyhound1966   Dec-01-06 02:06 PM   #62 
     - Sounds like 1/3 of Mexico's population has a share of sore losers  slackmaster   Dec-01-06 02:18 PM   #63 
        - Ignoring, for the moment your apparent inability to count and understand fractions,  greyhound1966   Dec-01-06 02:31 PM   #67 
           - The votes were recounted  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 03:07 PM   #70 
              - Same old, same old. I think it is quite clear what class you represent.  greyhound1966   Dec-01-06 03:43 PM   #73 
                 - What same old  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-02-06 01:19 PM   #98 
  - They must have learned something from PRI  bicentennial_baby   Dec-01-06 02:22 PM   #65 
  - Then I suggest you study  malaise   Dec-02-06 02:12 PM   #102 
     - My opinion is different than yours, therefore you ASSUME I haven't studied it  slackmaster   Dec-03-06 10:54 AM   #124 
  - K&R.  Vidar   Dec-01-06 11:48 AM   #35 
  - Kicking it up! nt  chill_wind   Dec-01-06 11:51 AM   #36 
  - Soemtimes they get lost in the shuffle  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 12:15 PM   #41 
  - Why do you keep posting Calderon's address?  Bridget Burke   Dec-01-06 01:16 PM   #55 
     - None of the candidates were the best  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 03:08 PM   #71 
  - Good post!  mogster   Dec-01-06 12:20 PM   #44 
  - Link to today's detailed Democracy Now! segment on this and Oaxaca  emlev   Dec-01-06 12:35 PM   #46 
  - DN seems to be of the school of though  rman   Dec-01-06 01:12 PM   #51 
  - NY Times: Calderon Is Sworn In as Mexicos President  Judi Lynn   Dec-01-06 01:13 PM   #52 
  - At least it's over with now  slackmaster   Dec-01-06 01:15 PM   #54 
  - Thanks for all the attention to this.  BluePatriot   Dec-01-06 01:25 PM   #58 
  - Oh, but everything's OK now!  Bridget Burke   Dec-01-06 01:31 PM   #60 
  - Hmm iregularities were found ON BOTH SIDES  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-01-06 03:12 PM   #72 
     - Unless their press is more honest than ours, I would .....  livvy   Dec-01-06 04:39 PM   #76 
        - Their press used not to be better  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-02-06 01:20 PM   #99 
  - some pics from Mexico  cal04   Dec-01-06 04:14 PM   #75 
  - Thanks for the pix! That's an awesome sized crowd! Calderon represents  Peace Patriot   Dec-01-06 07:52 PM   #78 
     - Well said!  countryjake   Dec-02-06 06:45 AM   #84 
     - Yes  Jcrowley   Dec-02-06 09:29 PM   #110 
  - Calderon will end his term either as a vegetable or a new Maximiliano I  MisterP   Dec-01-06 08:02 PM   #79 
  - Have I told you LATELY that I love you?? n/t  UTUSN   Dec-01-06 09:10 PM   #81 
  - Freepalicious.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-01-06 10:26 PM   #83 
  - Too bad the only thing Frat-Boy had to endure were some eggs hitting the Presidential limo.  Roland99   Dec-02-06 07:07 AM   #86 
  - Wooodamnwhoo! PEOPLE!  lonestarnot   Dec-02-06 10:03 AM   #87 
  - Calderon was Sworn in Legally and in Public  josewelder   Dec-02-06 10:41 AM   #88 
  - Excellent, reality-based, experiential post & welcome to DU!!1  UTUSN   Dec-02-06 11:01 AM   #91 
  - Welcome to DU and thank you  spoony   Dec-02-06 11:05 AM   #93 
  - Thank you for a first hand account  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-02-06 01:32 PM   #100 
  - Was he sworn in on the Koran or the Bible or something else?  undeterred   Dec-02-06 10:44 AM   #89 
  - Sworn in  josewelder   Dec-02-06 10:55 AM   #90 
     - Welcome to DU!  undeterred   Dec-02-06 11:09 AM   #94 
     - Thanks for that observation. Church goers have certainly been deceived.  lonestarnot   Dec-02-06 11:37 AM   #96 
  - K & R for this important post n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Dec-02-06 11:04 AM   #92 
  - Focusing on the o.p. ... at least 8 misstatements regarding the inauguration  UTUSN   Dec-02-06 11:46 AM   #97 
     - Hmmm...are these not Mexican people?  countryjake   Dec-02-06 08:26 PM   #103 
     - The Zocalo is a big place, all right (I've been there, have you?), but the #s  UTUSN   Dec-02-06 09:11 PM   #105 
     - Old Photo  josewelder   Dec-02-06 09:23 PM   #108 
        - Not an old photo, at all. These protesters don't look very tired to me....  countryjake   Dec-02-06 10:24 PM   #113 
     - Go read the transcript at Democracy Now which is publicly  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-06 09:05 PM   #104 
        - You were wrong Admnit it  josewelder   Dec-02-06 09:17 PM   #106 
        - Well, no. Have YOU read that transcript or watched the video?  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-06 09:22 PM   #107 
           - You are wrong admit it.  josewelder   Dec-02-06 09:43 PM   #111 
              - Welcome to DU. I hope you enjoy your stay here.  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-06 10:26 PM   #114 
        - Exactly when did I name-call you? You posted the information under  UTUSN   Dec-02-06 09:26 PM   #109 
           - Got any links to any of this?  doublethink   Dec-02-06 09:53 PM   #112 
           - The reporter's name is Gibler. He's been on the ground in  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-06 10:43 PM   #115 
           - Uncle Raul. Yeah right  josewelder   Dec-02-06 10:53 PM   #116 
              - So, who do YOU have in Oaxaca? Anyone?  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-06 11:02 PM   #117 
                 - No Uncles  josewelder   Dec-02-06 11:17 PM   #119 
           - I've Got a Link And a Photo From La Jornada in Spanish and English (sort of)  Wiley50   Dec-02-06 11:07 PM   #118 
              - Wow  josewelder   Dec-02-06 11:25 PM   #120 
                 - I Read La Jornada and Noticias Every Morning  Wiley50   Dec-02-06 11:40 PM   #122 
                    - It's completely unique, Wiley50. I've NEVER HEARD of a President  Judi Lynn   Dec-04-06 02:36 AM   #126 
  - You mean..?  noconz   Dec-03-06 10:58 AM   #125 
  - Note to josewelder: There is no trouble in Mexico except that caused by  Peace Patriot   Dec-05-06 10:47 AM   #127 
     - recommend reading this post by Peace more kick!  countryjake   Dec-05-06 11:54 PM   #128 

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