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74. We all have a choice: the right side of history or the wrong side. Win or lose.
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 10:19 PM by pat_k
Nothing "magic" about it. It's called standing and fighting to defend the principles and institutions we established in the Constitution -- something that Members of Congress are sworn to do.

The Congressional oath to uphold the Constitution is not an oath to win -- it is an oath to fight -- to "support and defend."

The power to impeach is the weapon we gave them to fulfill that oath when the threat comes from within the halls of power.

If they do not accuse -- publicly and formally by introducing articles of impeachment -- they are handing the WH an unassailable argument. (Tony Snow: "If the actions of this President and Vice President violated the Constitution in any way, Members of Congress, who are sworn to defend the Constitution, would be pursing impeachment. Not only are they NOT pursuing impeachment (not one member has introduced articles)they have taken it off the table. Those charges coming from the nuts on the left are nuts.")

Their oath is an individual oath; their duty an individual duty. Each and every member has a choice. Keep impeachment "off limits" and give the War Criminals in the WH cover or stand up, accuse them of their crimes, and call on their colleagues to take up the fight.

At such critical junctures, we all have a choice: the right side of history or the wrong side. Win or lose.

History is a harsh judge. When we look back at the times that evil has won, the "winners" disgust us and we hold the ones who stood on the sidelines because they believed "We can't win this one so we'd better shut up" in contempt.

As Barbara Jordan reminds us, when the Constitution was completed on the seventeenth of September in 1787, she was not included in that "We, the people."

How could that happen when so many who participated in the creation of that document claimed to oppose slavery on principle? It happened because they choose to betray their principles and give up the fight -- and so they became complicit in the morally indefensible "compromise" that allowed our fellow human beings to be enslaved in the United States. Undoubtedly many believed they "couldn't win" if they drew a line in the sand and so did not draw the line.

We may never stop paying the price for that horrific compromise.

In more recent history, we have called on our so-called "leaders" to stand and fight for the principles they claim to be committed to. Over and over we have watched in horror and dismay as they fail us. There are so many heartbreaking examples, like. . .
  • Failing to take up the articles of impeachment against Reagan that Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez introduced in March 1987 because the Democratic leadership had convinced themselves that conciliation would pave the way to victory in 1988;

  • Submitting to the treasonous Bush v. Gore edict, instead of denouncing it and putting the decision to throw out the unlawful Florida electors in the hands of Congress, where it belonged;

  • Failing to fight tooth and nail against Bush's Authorization to Military Force.

    ". . .the abdication by Congress of its constitutional power to declare war is a dangerous step toward a government in which one man holds in his hands the power to use the world's most powerful military force in whatever manner he chooses, whenever and wherever he perceives a threat against national security. and refused to abdicate their power to drawn a line in the sand and fought tooth and nail against Bush's Authorization to Use Military Force."
    --Senator Byrd

  • Failing to join Rep. Tubbs Jones and Sen. Boxer in rejecting the unlawful Ohio electors on January 6th, 2005.

  • Sending Alito, a key promoter of the fascist fantasy of unlimited ("unitary") authoritarian power, to the Supreme Court by voting to close debate because they feared being called "obstructionists," and then having the nerve to claim "opposition" by voting against him on the floor;

  • Failing to fight tooth and nail against the War Criminals Protection Act of 2006;

Of all the rationalizations for inaction they invoke, some form of "Can't win; so don't fight" is perhaps the most insidious. Failing to fight because "it's futile" is a self-defeating prophesy. The things worth fighting for can never happen if nobody takes up the fight.

We can't know the road not taken, but we can see where their failures have taken us. Over and over, we have seen consequences far more dire than the worst they feared would result if they had acted. The price we are paying is higher than we could have imagined when they failed us in 2000 or when they failed us in 2002 or when they failed us in 2005. If they fail to impeach, even if it is the charge of the light brigade, the price could be unimaginable.

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  -"If the impeachment provision in the Constitution. . ." --Barbara Jordan pat_k  Nov-27-06 03:14 PM   #0 
  - proudly kicking and recommending-- we must get these criminals...  mike_c   Nov-27-06 03:19 PM   #1 
  - More power to you if you can convince 16 Republican Senators cause that's what it will take.  Bernardo de La Paz   Nov-28-06 11:28 AM   #47 
     - Probably 17...  GOTV   Nov-28-06 12:15 PM   #49 
  - Thank you  magellan   Nov-27-06 03:20 PM   #2 
  - Barbara Jordan  kineneb   Nov-27-06 03:21 PM   #3 
  - Of the "Top 100" her '76 DNC Keynote ranks 5th (this one is 13th)  pat_k   Nov-27-06 04:09 PM   #11 
  - K & R wow what a cool site. Thanks for posting nt.  glitch   Nov-27-06 06:20 PM   #21 
  - She is one of my ALL-TIME heroes! Amazing, incredible, awesome human being!  TahitiNut   Nov-28-06 01:31 AM   #33 
  - K&R  flamin lib   Nov-27-06 03:22 PM   #4 
  - Kick & Nominated  pberq   Nov-27-06 03:26 PM   #5 
  - words of power and wisdom  grizmaster   Nov-27-06 03:26 PM   #6 
  - Rep, Jordan speaks truth to power.  Disturbed   Nov-28-06 04:38 AM   #40 
  - Now there was a magnificent woman.  calimary   Nov-27-06 03:27 PM   #7 
  - Spine-tingling. . .  pat_k   Nov-27-06 04:13 PM   #12 
  - Recommended  bonito   Nov-27-06 03:30 PM   #8 
  - Senator's journal is amazing.  Gregorian   Nov-27-06 03:31 PM   #9 
  - Can listen to an mp2 on . .  pat_k   Nov-27-06 04:15 PM   #13 
     - Great website!  Gregorian   Nov-27-06 04:52 PM   #17 
  - Bush is the reason why the founders invented impeachment  rman   Nov-27-06 03:32 PM   #10 
  - I've done a lot of thinking about the whole impeachment issue and  BlackVelvet04   Nov-27-06 04:24 PM   #14 
  - Right to the point! Well said! nt  puebloknot   Nov-27-06 04:32 PM   #16 
  - Leaving the world of calculation for one of infinite possibility  pat_k   Nov-27-06 07:43 PM   #26 
  - How will Impeachment without conviction protect anything?  GOTV   Nov-28-06 01:22 PM   #57 
     - We all have a choice: the right side of history or the wrong side. Win or lose.  pat_k   Nov-28-06 10:16 PM   #74 
     - "Standing and fighting for principles" is not the same as impeachment  GOTV   Nov-29-06 09:40 AM   #83 
        - The principle of consent does not constitute "principle"?  pat_k   Nov-29-06 10:30 AM   #86 
           - Impeachment is a weapon, I agree - and Bush is presently out of range  GOTV   Nov-29-06 11:52 AM   #92 
              - The duty of the House is to accuse --- to impeach. Well within range.  pat_k   Nov-29-06 01:57 PM   #96 
                 - I think everyone knows that the House probably can "impeach"...  calipendence   Nov-29-06 05:07 PM   #103 
                    - The case for impeachment is simple, clear, convincing, and complete.  pat_k   Nov-29-06 11:46 PM   #107 
                       - That article doesn't apply to me. I'm NOT advocating inaction on impeachment...  calipendence   Nov-30-06 10:03 AM   #108 
                          - You are are opposing impeachment on the clear, compelling, and complete case we have.  pat_k   Nov-30-06 07:56 PM   #113 
                             - Please don't call me anti-impeachment...  calipendence   Nov-30-06 09:06 PM   #115 
                                - I do not challenge your desire for impeachment, only the rationalizations you invoke  pat_k   Dec-01-06 02:09 PM   #117 
                                   - I think we need to separate what we want and what should and could happen...  calipendence   Dec-01-06 04:36 PM   #118 
                                      - Who said anything about "stop everything else that you might be investigating"?  pat_k   Dec-01-06 08:26 PM   #119 
     - Any Impeachment that is not bi-partisan will be met with a large  312MIB   Dec-01-06 09:19 PM   #120 
  - K&R to Powers of 10!  puebloknot   Nov-27-06 04:30 PM   #15 
  - Jaywalking is enough to impeach, when you control the House....  GOTV   Nov-28-06 01:34 PM   #58 
     - You think...  puebloknot   Nov-28-06 05:04 PM   #66 
        - Yes, I do think that in fact.  GOTV   Nov-29-06 09:45 AM   #84 
  - Barbara Jordan=Cynthia McKinney  Independent_Liberal   Nov-27-06 05:04 PM   #18 
  - McKinney is a hero. Note she's appearing 12/4 in DC at an  petgoat   Nov-27-06 05:42 PM   #20 
  - No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.  Vinca   Nov-28-06 06:49 AM   #42 
  - selfdelete  rman   Nov-29-06 09:35 AM   #82 
  - Send this to all your senators, and a special copy to Feingold.  mom cat   Nov-27-06 05:38 PM   #19 
  - My only desire to wait to accuse is to get a COMPLETE investigation!  calipendence   Nov-27-06 06:36 PM   #22 
  - There's nothing to "investigate"  Senator   Nov-27-06 07:38 PM   #24 
     - I want a two thirds vote in the Senate to put both of them out of office!  calipendence   Nov-27-06 08:35 PM   #27 
     - {must investigate} = {don't have a case} = {nullify powerful case we HAVE}  pat_k   Nov-28-06 01:14 AM   #31 
     - If we can continue to investigate to add to our case, by all means file articles of impeachment!  calipendence   Nov-28-06 08:44 AM   #44 
     - {Powerful case} - {67 Senators who agree} = {it doesn't matter}  GOTV   Nov-28-06 01:02 PM   #55 
        - {Failure to accuse} = {Exoneration} = {"Accessory After the Fact" War Criminal}  pat_k   Nov-28-06 03:27 PM   #60 
           - {impeachment} - {conviction} = {exoneration} also  GOTV   Nov-29-06 10:18 AM   #85 
              - So, you think police should not pursue and arrest unless they are certain. . .  pat_k   Nov-29-06 11:04 AM   #88 
                 - Police, like everyone, should not use methods expected to fail - yes.  GOTV   Nov-29-06 12:02 PM   #93 
                    - When police successfully apprehend, their duty is done. If the House successfully impeaches. . .  pat_k   Nov-29-06 01:35 PM   #94 
     - And while waiting until you're "ready now"...  Senator   Nov-28-06 04:08 AM   #39 
        - I don't want to wait either...  calipendence   Nov-28-06 08:39 AM   #43 
           - You are waiting for Godot (and perhaps Waterloo)  Senator   Nov-28-06 09:17 AM   #45 
           - Not even 67% of the country is for Imp, how will you get 67 Senators?  GOTV   Nov-28-06 12:53 PM   #52 
           - The Senators will "get" themselves...  Senator   Nov-29-06 05:05 AM   #80 
              - Impeachment defends nothing, only conviction does any good.  GOTV   Nov-29-06 11:35 AM   #89 
                 - Yes, you've said -- "only conviction" for you  Senator   Nov-29-06 03:19 PM   #98 
                    - Likewise none of you are planning properly for impeachment  GOTV   Nov-29-06 04:08 PM   #99 
                    - Then please do post the "Proper Plan"  Senator   Nov-29-06 06:18 PM   #104 
                       - Ok, I'm not privvy to all info that congress critters have, but here's a start...  calipendence   Nov-29-06 09:37 PM   #106 
                          - I see  Senator   Nov-30-06 01:49 PM   #109 
                             - Congress having power is EXACTLY my point!...  calipendence   Nov-30-06 02:23 PM   #110 
                                - Again, this is looking for "proof"...  Senator   Nov-30-06 10:50 PM   #116 
                    - Yes, I don't think there's many here that don't want to fight the battle. I do!  calipendence   Nov-29-06 05:00 PM   #102 
                       - See my post #104 above  Senator   Nov-29-06 08:35 PM   #105 
           - ...slap in the face...  puebloknot   Nov-28-06 05:24 PM   #67 
           - You know your shit calipendence...  Independent_Liberal   Nov-28-06 02:50 PM   #59 
     - It doesn't matter if Bush drinks the blood of babies on TV ...  GOTV   Nov-28-06 12:46 PM   #51 
        - The following Republicans are up for re-election in 2008...  calipendence   Nov-28-06 04:04 PM   #62 
        - Roberts will probably go down in the Plame/Niger/Yellowcake/WMD/Intelligence Leak cover-up.  Independent_Liberal   Nov-28-06 07:37 PM   #71 
        - Exactly, and how do their constituents feel about impeachment?  GOTV   Nov-29-06 09:29 AM   #81 
        - It's time for impeachment as soon...  puebloknot   Nov-28-06 05:03 PM   #65 
           - For me I completely agree SOME attempt at impeachment needs to happen!  calipendence   Nov-28-06 05:29 PM   #68 
              - Justice delayed is justice denied!  puebloknot   Nov-29-06 01:23 AM   #77 
                 - Well , no Justice today - so it's denied then?, or will you wait another day?  GOTV   Nov-29-06 11:47 AM   #91 
                    - Ignoring your sarcasm for a moment...  puebloknot   Nov-30-06 04:03 PM   #111 
  - Bravo!  TheGoldenRule   Nov-27-06 06:52 PM   #23 
  - Indeed. There are a lot of cowards here.  Zhade   Nov-28-06 04:04 AM   #38 
  - So simple even Bush could sell it....  GOTV   Nov-28-06 12:57 PM   #53 
  - Yep.  bobthedrummer   Dec-07-06 07:29 PM   #123 
  - goddamned right put these criminals in prison  emald   Nov-27-06 07:43 PM   #25 
  - A little something for the "Impeach Cheney first" crowd (I'm in this group too)...  Independent_Liberal   Nov-27-06 10:08 PM   #28 
  - Bush and Cheney are a package -- you can't charge one w/o the other. . .  pat_k   Nov-28-06 11:41 AM   #48 
  - She was one of the greats  ninkasi   Nov-27-06 11:50 PM   #29 
  - I can hear her voice! What an inspiration she was/is. The point she makes here is why it seems that  omega minimo   Nov-28-06 12:24 AM   #30 
  - . . .a geometric progression of awareness and action . .  pat_k   Nov-28-06 02:26 AM   #35 
     - Nice work pat_k. Here's one for the "strategerists" and spoiled cynics  omega minimo   Nov-28-06 12:18 PM   #50 
     - Thank you -- you're "Impeace" post is powerful. . .  pat_k   Nov-28-06 07:34 PM   #70 
        - too "challenging"  omega minimo   Nov-29-06 10:51 AM   #87 
     - A great many of those on "our side"...  puebloknot   Nov-30-06 04:15 PM   #112 
  - Barbara Jordan rocked! She was a great Lady!  BikeWriter   Nov-28-06 01:22 AM   #32 
  - Barbara Jordan was a remarkable woman  XOKCowboy   Nov-28-06 01:31 AM   #34 
  - Were she here now I'd vote for her for President in a minute!  BikeWriter   Nov-28-06 02:35 AM   #36 
  - K & R  malaise   Nov-28-06 03:12 AM   #37 
  - She was one of a kind & I miss seeing & hearing her speak  Alamom   Nov-28-06 05:28 AM   #41 
  - Somebody quick! Pull the the plug on Bush's paper shreder!  followthemoney   Nov-28-06 11:08 AM   #46 
  - Our representatives will do what we tell them to do. If that's impeachment, they will impeach.  porphyrian   Nov-28-06 12:58 PM   #54 
  - That's right. So the path to removal from office begins with the people...  GOTV   Nov-28-06 01:12 PM   #56 
     - The burden is on them. They took an oath.  pat_k   Nov-28-06 04:03 PM   #61 
        - I believe that's true as well. - n/t  porphyrian   Nov-28-06 06:40 PM   #69 
        - Oaths are irrelevant to what will actually happen...  GOTV   Nov-29-06 11:42 AM   #90 
           - No. We should remember WHY we take oaths.  pat_k   Nov-29-06 02:18 PM   #97 
              - What one SHOULD do and what one WILL do are different - and only 1 of those are relevant  GOTV   Nov-29-06 04:14 PM   #100 
                 - No. The duty we have charged them with is what we demand. What they ARE doing is betraying, , ,  pat_k   Nov-29-06 04:30 PM   #101 
  - You conveniently missed her tag line in this speech.  longship   Nov-28-06 04:19 PM   #63 
  - Excluded because it doesn't apply now, as I point out in the the section that follows the excerpts.  pat_k   Nov-28-06 04:31 PM   #64 
     - Doesn't apply?  longship   Nov-29-06 12:09 AM   #75 
        - You're assertions are orthogonal to the points that I, and others, have made. . .  pat_k   Nov-29-06 12:30 AM   #76 
           - No disputes there at all.  longship   Nov-29-06 01:32 AM   #78 
              - If they don't trust the public with the truth and accuse Bush and Cheney . . .  pat_k   Nov-29-06 02:15 AM   #79 
  - Somewhere's along the way Bush must be impeached, amerika would suck if not!!  Imagevision   Nov-28-06 07:39 PM   #72 
  - K wish I could R! n/t  AntiFascist   Nov-28-06 07:56 PM   #73 
  - Almost missed this  Jcrowley   Nov-29-06 01:37 PM   #95 
  - She was an amazing speaker--there will never be another one like her  Perragrande   Nov-30-06 08:57 PM   #114 
  - Perhaps the time is ripe to revive the effort? With DUers as a resource for seed money. . .  pat_k   Dec-06-06 02:52 PM   #122 
  - KICK.  bobthedrummer   Dec-06-06 09:51 AM   #121 

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