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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #49
53. "hold on until tomorrow"
Edited on Sun Nov-26-06 01:05 AM by TomInTib
is acceptin/ a loss.

"Tomorrow" is a mira/e.

"Urban" is t*eirs, not ours. We are t*e offender. You cannot conquer a man in *is own backyard.

We are fucked, fucked, fucked.

I do not know one sin/le learned person w*o t*inks ot*erwise.
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  -Just How Bad is Iraq? Green Zone Assault Imminent? leftchick  Nov-25-06 06:43 PM   #0 
  - Thanks Bushco  malaise   Nov-25-06 06:48 PM   #1 
  - I think it is inevitable that there will be  spindrifter   Nov-25-06 06:52 PM   #2 
  - It's nothing like Viet Nam,, yeah right  bahrbearian   Nov-25-06 06:52 PM   #3 
  - time to cue the helicopters...  kineneb   Nov-25-06 08:00 PM   #13 
  - Huh. Every so often I run into Righties who insist we're not hearing  Phredicles   Nov-25-06 06:54 PM   #4 
  - About three months ago  truedelphi   Nov-26-06 04:09 PM   #78 
  - A couple days ago I had a reich winger tell me that  alfredo   Nov-26-06 05:35 PM   #84 
  - Some disagree heavily with Cole about this...  Kagemusha   Nov-25-06 07:01 PM   #5 
  - It's the small battles, at this point. Which is not a good place to be. n/t  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-25-06 07:23 PM   #7 
  - Could you provide any citations?  acmejack   Nov-25-06 07:29 PM   #9 
  - Gillard's probably the most articulate so  Kagemusha   Nov-25-06 07:34 PM   #11 
     - Thanks for the link.  acmejack   Nov-25-06 09:25 PM   #20 
     - A good point about the trained, unemployed army.  aquart   Nov-26-06 10:33 PM   #90 
  - The Sunni's had the edge in military training, but the Shia are  alfredo   Nov-26-06 05:44 PM   #85 
  - Decline and Fall - America in Retreat  Jcrowley   Nov-25-06 07:21 PM   #6 
  - wow!  leftchick   Nov-25-06 07:25 PM   #8 
  - they blew the shit out of that ammo dump in southern baghdad.  madrchsod   Nov-25-06 07:29 PM   #10 
  - gotta stay the course  SlavesandBulldozers   Nov-25-06 07:54 PM   #12 
  - Actually I believe the incident of most significance is Chaingang  hang a left   Nov-27-06 01:00 AM   #92 
  - Like I have been saying for the past month, pull everything back to Baghdad and dig in  MGD   Nov-25-06 08:09 PM   #14 
  - no we don't  leftchick   Nov-25-06 08:15 PM   #15 
  - This isn't Vietnam. There are similarities but the differences are many.  MGD   Nov-25-06 08:23 PM   #16 
     - "We can secure and defend Baghdad."??  leftchick   Nov-25-06 08:27 PM   #17 
     - Absolutely.  MGD   Nov-25-06 09:34 PM   #23 
        - The civil war is in Baghdad  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-25-06 10:27 PM   #30 
           - The civil war is spread out all over the country  MGD   Nov-25-06 10:45 PM   #36 
              - The civil war is not spread throughout the country  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-25-06 10:54 PM   #38 
                 - Iraqis are fighting and dieing all over Iraq.  MGD   Nov-25-06 11:58 PM   #48 
                 - You fail to make important distinctions  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-26-06 08:46 AM   #63 
                 - Hi, a_m, I've got your map right here, which supports your well  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-26-06 08:30 AM   #62 
     - What is the the "strategic value" of Iraq in your view?  scarletwoman   Nov-25-06 08:27 PM   #18 
     - It's obvious  MGD   Nov-25-06 09:27 PM   #21 
     - Al Qaeda is a myth. Certain jihadists have adopted the label because it has a certain cach.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-06 09:56 PM   #25 
     - Al-Queda is not a myth. They have existed for at least 20 years.  MGD   Nov-25-06 10:28 PM   #31 
     - Swallowed the hook, line and sinker here.  Porcupine   Nov-26-06 02:37 AM   #57 
     - al-Q in Iraq is a myth  leftchick   Nov-26-06 06:48 AM   #59 
     - Actually, sadly, since this terrible de-stabilization has taken  truedelphi   Nov-26-06 04:14 PM   #79 
        - Why ATHEIST neocon?  arewenotdemo   Nov-26-06 06:05 PM   #87 
     - Oil wealth can't help a terrorist  jmowreader   Nov-26-06 05:15 PM   #82 
     - I was under the impression that the oil spoils were divied out long  hang a left   Nov-27-06 01:05 AM   #94 
     - It is between Iran and and Saudi Arabia. It might have been  alfredo   Nov-26-06 05:50 PM   #86 
     - We cannot defend it  TomInTib   Nov-25-06 09:29 PM   #22 
     - I guess surrender is your recipe for military success?  MGD   Nov-25-06 09:38 PM   #24 
        - There is NO "military success" to be had in Iraq.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-06 10:00 PM   #26 
        - Forgive me if I don't immediately reverse my position based on your hopeless negativism  MGD   Nov-25-06 10:33 PM   #33 
           - "partisan rhetoric"?!?! What the hell are you talking about?  scarletwoman   Nov-25-06 10:46 PM   #37 
           - "The only question is how many more Americans are going to die to save face for bushco."  MGD   Nov-25-06 11:18 PM   #42 
              - It's not "partisan" to speak out against a corrupt, mendacious administration  scarletwoman   Nov-25-06 11:34 PM   #43 
                 - It is when you do it such that an effective national defense is undermined  MGD   Nov-25-06 11:39 PM   #44 
                    - Iraq was NEVER about our "national defense".  scarletwoman   Nov-25-06 11:50 PM   #46 
                       - There's an enemy and he wishes to fight us. That makes it a matter of national defense  MGD   Nov-26-06 12:17 AM   #50 
                          - Oh bullshit! Complete and utter bullshit! There were NO "enemies" in Iraq!  scarletwoman   Nov-26-06 12:29 AM   #52 
                             - "Were" is the operative word. Now there "are" enemies in Iraq  MGD   Nov-26-06 01:13 AM   #55 
                                - Hunkering down in Baghdad is worst possible strategy of all  HamdenRice   Nov-26-06 06:50 AM   #60 
                                - Thanks, HR, I couldn't believe the suggestion that this horrific catastrophe is somehow salvagable,  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-26-06 08:27 AM   #61 
                                - The point of any defensive operations is to recapture the initiative and to shift to the offensive  MGD   Nov-26-06 10:20 AM   #65 
                                   - All strategic goals have failed. Tactical options are nil.  HamdenRice   Nov-26-06 10:48 AM   #66 
                                      - I'm neither agreeing with that or disagreeing with that  MGD   Nov-26-06 11:04 AM   #67 
                                      - That's as jingoistic a pronouncement as I've ever seen on DU.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-26-06 11:22 AM   #68 
                                      - That's the illogic of stalemate  HamdenRice   Nov-26-06 11:34 AM   #69 
                                      - I didn't say we need to stay becuase blood has been shed.  MGD   Nov-26-06 11:59 AM   #70 
                                      - That's a terrible reason to die  HamdenRice   Nov-27-06 07:16 AM   #95 
                                - Once we leave, the foreign fighters will leave as well -- the Iragis will force them out.  scarletwoman   Nov-26-06 04:01 PM   #77 
           - Forgive me if I roll my eyes at this point.  Jazzgirl   Nov-25-06 11:56 PM   #47 
        - You must be fucking joking with this, now  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-25-06 10:31 PM   #32 
        - See my reply directly below.  TomInTib   Nov-25-06 11:03 PM   #39 
        - No, man, I am just a realist  TomInTib   Nov-25-06 10:40 PM   #35 
        - Ho Chi Minh wasn't embroiled in a bitter civil war while fighting the French.  MGD   Nov-25-06 11:15 PM   #40 
           - You are seein/ it all wron/  TomInTib   Nov-25-06 11:44 PM   #45 
           - No "offense" (no pun intended) but you're seeing it wrong  MGD   Nov-26-06 12:11 AM   #49 
              - "hold on until tomorrow"  TomInTib   Nov-26-06 12:31 AM   #53 
                 - "is acceptin/ a loss."  MGD   Nov-26-06 01:08 AM   #54 
                    - cutting and running  TomInTib   Nov-26-06 01:22 AM   #56 
           - Let me throw another wrench into MGD's works...  jmowreader   Nov-26-06 01:50 PM   #75 
              - excellent analysis jmowreader  leftchick   Nov-26-06 04:17 PM   #80 
                 - I was being nice to the young man  jmowreader   Nov-26-06 04:57 PM   #81 
        - It Was Just a Matter of Time for You to Use the "French"  stepnw1f   Nov-26-06 12:48 PM   #74 
     - Defend Baghdad? Why?  rman   Nov-26-06 09:51 AM   #64 
     - Re: Defending Baghdad  MilesColtrane   Nov-26-06 12:11 PM   #71 
     - if we are fighting for "strategic value" why waste resources on Baghdad?  AZDemDist6   Nov-26-06 12:23 PM   #72 
  - Two bits says the lion's share of our military pulls back and hunkers down with the Kurds...  BrotherBuzz   Nov-25-06 10:09 PM   #27 
  - That IS the neocon plan.  tabasco   Nov-26-06 12:42 PM   #73 
  - Do you read Pat Lang also? Really impressive site.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-06 09:01 PM   #19 
  - Bush's dream war was fu*king lame to begin with, wishful oil dreams!!  Imagevision   Nov-25-06 10:15 PM   #28 
  - Frankly  Chomp   Nov-25-06 10:19 PM   #29 
  - The US still has air power. That matters  Kagemusha   Nov-25-06 10:34 PM   #34 
     - The US also has better transportation, armor weapons, training, etc  951-Riverside   Nov-25-06 11:17 PM   #41 
     - Because the guerillas don't present targets like the Republican Guard  Kagemusha   Nov-26-06 12:19 AM   #51 
     - Yeah, that worked great at Khe Sahn. Try again.  Porcupine   Nov-26-06 02:48 AM   #58 
     - I'm saying air power is a spoiler. You can't govern through it.  Kagemusha   Nov-26-06 02:55 PM   #76 
        - You are definitely a scholar of battlefield tactics. It's unfortunate that the  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-26-06 06:25 PM   #88 
           - Thanks. But even students of this stuff are learning new things  Kagemusha   Nov-26-06 08:44 PM   #89 
     - "helicopter gunships" Those make nice juicy targets don't they?  oblivious   Nov-27-06 01:04 AM   #93 
  - I have been waiting for a true attack  cwydro   Nov-26-06 05:23 PM   #83 
     - I'm in the Green Zone, and I'm not worried about THAT  GreenZoneLT   Nov-27-06 12:25 AM   #91 
        - kick for GreenZoneLT, welcome to DU!  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-27-06 07:16 AM   #96 
        - Welcome to DU. Things like that ammo dump explosion at Camp Falcon must be worrisome though.  oblivious   Nov-27-06 02:28 PM   #97 

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