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Sat Nov-25-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #15 |
| 16. This isn't Vietnam. There are similarities but the differences are many. |
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For example, Vietnam had no real strategic value and Iraq does. We can secure and defend Baghdad.
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| -Just How Bad is Iraq? Green Zone Assault Imminent? |
leftchick |
Nov-25-06 06:43 PM |
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Thanks Bushco |
malaise |
Nov-25-06 06:48 PM |
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I think it is inevitable that there will be |
spindrifter |
Nov-25-06 06:52 PM |
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It's nothing like Viet Nam,, yeah right |
bahrbearian |
Nov-25-06 06:52 PM |
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time to cue the helicopters... |
kineneb |
Nov-25-06 08:00 PM |
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Huh. Every so often I run into Righties who insist we're not hearing |
Phredicles |
Nov-25-06 06:54 PM |
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About three months ago |
truedelphi |
Nov-26-06 04:09 PM |
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A couple days ago I had a reich winger tell me that |
alfredo |
Nov-26-06 05:35 PM |
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Some disagree heavily with Cole about this... |
Kagemusha |
Nov-25-06 07:01 PM |
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It's the small battles, at this point. Which is not a good place to be. n/t |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Nov-25-06 07:23 PM |
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Could you provide any citations? |
acmejack |
Nov-25-06 07:29 PM |
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Gillard's probably the most articulate so |
Kagemusha |
Nov-25-06 07:34 PM |
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Thanks for the link. |
acmejack |
Nov-25-06 09:25 PM |
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A good point about the trained, unemployed army. |
aquart |
Nov-26-06 10:33 PM |
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The Sunni's had the edge in military training, but the Shia are |
alfredo |
Nov-26-06 05:44 PM |
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Decline and Fall - America in Retreat |
Jcrowley |
Nov-25-06 07:21 PM |
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wow! |
leftchick |
Nov-25-06 07:25 PM |
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they blew the shit out of that ammo dump in southern baghdad. |
madrchsod |
Nov-25-06 07:29 PM |
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gotta stay the course |
SlavesandBulldozers |
Nov-25-06 07:54 PM |
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Actually I believe the incident of most significance is Chaingang |
hang a left |
Nov-27-06 01:00 AM |
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Like I have been saying for the past month, pull everything back to Baghdad and dig in |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 08:09 PM |
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no we don't |
leftchick |
Nov-25-06 08:15 PM |
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This isn't Vietnam. There are similarities but the differences are many. |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 08:23 PM |
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"We can secure and defend Baghdad."?? |
leftchick |
Nov-25-06 08:27 PM |
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Absolutely. |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 09:34 PM |
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The civil war is in Baghdad |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-25-06 10:27 PM |
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The civil war is spread out all over the country |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 10:45 PM |
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The civil war is not spread throughout the country |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-25-06 10:54 PM |
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Iraqis are fighting and dieing all over Iraq. |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 11:58 PM |
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You fail to make important distinctions |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-26-06 08:46 AM |
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Hi, a_m, I've got your map right here, which supports your well |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Nov-26-06 08:30 AM |
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What is the the "strategic value" of Iraq in your view? |
scarletwoman |
Nov-25-06 08:27 PM |
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It's obvious |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 09:27 PM |
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Al Qaeda is a myth. Certain jihadists have adopted the label because it has a certain caché. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-25-06 09:56 PM |
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Al-Queda is not a myth. They have existed for at least 20 years. |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 10:28 PM |
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Swallowed the hook, line and sinker here. |
Porcupine |
Nov-26-06 02:37 AM |
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al-Q in Iraq is a myth |
leftchick |
Nov-26-06 06:48 AM |
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Actually, sadly, since this terrible de-stabilization has taken |
truedelphi |
Nov-26-06 04:14 PM |
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Why ATHEIST neocon? |
arewenotdemo |
Nov-26-06 06:05 PM |
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Oil wealth can't help a terrorist |
jmowreader |
Nov-26-06 05:15 PM |
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I was under the impression that the oil spoils were divied out long |
hang a left |
Nov-27-06 01:05 AM |
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It is between Iran and and Saudi Arabia. It might have been |
alfredo |
Nov-26-06 05:50 PM |
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We cannot defend it |
TomInTib |
Nov-25-06 09:29 PM |
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I guess surrender is your recipe for military success? |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 09:38 PM |
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There is NO "military success" to be had in Iraq. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-25-06 10:00 PM |
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Forgive me if I don't immediately reverse my position based on your hopeless negativism |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 10:33 PM |
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"partisan rhetoric"?!?! What the hell are you talking about? |
scarletwoman |
Nov-25-06 10:46 PM |
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"The only question is how many more Americans are going to die to save face for bushco." |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 11:18 PM |
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It's not "partisan" to speak out against a corrupt, mendacious administration |
scarletwoman |
Nov-25-06 11:34 PM |
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It is when you do it such that an effective national defense is undermined |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 11:39 PM |
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Iraq was NEVER about our "national defense". |
scarletwoman |
Nov-25-06 11:50 PM |
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There's an enemy and he wishes to fight us. That makes it a matter of national defense |
MGD |
Nov-26-06 12:17 AM |
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Oh bullshit! Complete and utter bullshit! There were NO "enemies" in Iraq! |
scarletwoman |
Nov-26-06 12:29 AM |
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"Were" is the operative word. Now there "are" enemies in Iraq |
MGD |
Nov-26-06 01:13 AM |
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Hunkering down in Baghdad is worst possible strategy of all |
HamdenRice |
Nov-26-06 06:50 AM |
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Thanks, HR, I couldn't believe the suggestion that this horrific catastrophe is somehow salvagable, |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Nov-26-06 08:27 AM |
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The point of any defensive operations is to recapture the initiative and to shift to the offensive |
MGD |
Nov-26-06 10:20 AM |
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All strategic goals have failed. Tactical options are nil. |
HamdenRice |
Nov-26-06 10:48 AM |
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I'm neither agreeing with that or disagreeing with that |
MGD |
Nov-26-06 11:04 AM |
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That's as jingoistic a pronouncement as I've ever seen on DU. |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Nov-26-06 11:22 AM |
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That's the illogic of stalemate |
HamdenRice |
Nov-26-06 11:34 AM |
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I didn't say we need to stay becuase blood has been shed. |
MGD |
Nov-26-06 11:59 AM |
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That's a terrible reason to die |
HamdenRice |
Nov-27-06 07:16 AM |
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Once we leave, the foreign fighters will leave as well -- the Iragis will force them out. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-26-06 04:01 PM |
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Forgive me if I roll my eyes at this point. |
Jazzgirl |
Nov-25-06 11:56 PM |
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You must be fucking joking with this, now |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-25-06 10:31 PM |
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See my reply directly below. |
TomInTib |
Nov-25-06 11:03 PM |
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No, man, I am just a realist |
TomInTib |
Nov-25-06 10:40 PM |
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Ho Chi Minh wasn't embroiled in a bitter civil war while fighting the French. |
MGD |
Nov-25-06 11:15 PM |
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You are seein/ it all wron/ |
TomInTib |
Nov-25-06 11:44 PM |
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No "offense" (no pun intended) but you're seeing it wrong |
MGD |
Nov-26-06 12:11 AM |
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"hold on until tomorrow" |
TomInTib |
Nov-26-06 12:31 AM |
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"is acceptin/ a loss." |
MGD |
Nov-26-06 01:08 AM |
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cutting and running |
TomInTib |
Nov-26-06 01:22 AM |
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Let me throw another wrench into MGD's works... |
jmowreader |
Nov-26-06 01:50 PM |
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excellent analysis jmowreader |
leftchick |
Nov-26-06 04:17 PM |
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I was being nice to the young man |
jmowreader |
Nov-26-06 04:57 PM |
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It Was Just a Matter of Time for You to Use the "French" |
stepnw1f |
Nov-26-06 12:48 PM |
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Defend Baghdad? Why? |
rman |
Nov-26-06 09:51 AM |
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Re: Defending Baghdad |
MilesColtrane |
Nov-26-06 12:11 PM |
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if we are fighting for "strategic value" why waste resources on Baghdad? |
AZDemDist6 |
Nov-26-06 12:23 PM |
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Two bits says the lion's share of our military pulls back and hunkers down with the Kurds... |
BrotherBuzz |
Nov-25-06 10:09 PM |
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That IS the neocon plan. |
tabasco |
Nov-26-06 12:42 PM |
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Do you read Pat Lang also? Really impressive site. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-25-06 09:01 PM |
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Bush's dream war was fu*king lame to begin with, wishful oil dreams!! |
Imagevision |
Nov-25-06 10:15 PM |
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Frankly |
Chomp |
Nov-25-06 10:19 PM |
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The US still has air power. That matters |
Kagemusha |
Nov-25-06 10:34 PM |
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The US also has better transportation, armor weapons, training, etc |
951-Riverside |
Nov-25-06 11:17 PM |
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Because the guerillas don't present targets like the Republican Guard |
Kagemusha |
Nov-26-06 12:19 AM |
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Yeah, that worked great at Khe Sahn. Try again. |
Porcupine |
Nov-26-06 02:48 AM |
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I'm saying air power is a spoiler. You can't govern through it. |
Kagemusha |
Nov-26-06 02:55 PM |
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You are definitely a scholar of battlefield tactics. It's unfortunate that the |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Nov-26-06 06:25 PM |
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Thanks. But even students of this stuff are learning new things |
Kagemusha |
Nov-26-06 08:44 PM |
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"helicopter gunships" Those make nice juicy targets don't they? |
oblivious |
Nov-27-06 01:04 AM |
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I have been waiting for a true attack |
cwydro |
Nov-26-06 05:23 PM |
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I'm in the Green Zone, and I'm not worried about THAT |
GreenZoneLT |
Nov-27-06 12:25 AM |
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kick for GreenZoneLT, welcome to DU! |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Nov-27-06 07:16 AM |
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Welcome to DU. Things like that ammo dump explosion at Camp Falcon must be worrisome though. |
oblivious |
Nov-27-06 02:28 PM |
#97 |
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