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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:23 AM
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65. I don't think we should be another lock-step party.
And I get a little pissy when people use the right-wing talking point that the "democrats don't stand for anything". We stand for a lot.


Republicans became who they are by trampling our rights in many ways from stealing election.

People fought and died for those rights for generations. There isn't one of our rights that they don't want to take away from us. I see nothing to emulate.
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  -All you doom and gloomers need to wake the fuck up. Vash the Stampede  Jan-31-06 06:42 AM   #0 
  - Thank you, Vash  KitchenWitch   Jan-31-06 06:43 AM   #1 
  - Thanks KW!  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 06:57 AM   #12 
  - Yadda, yadda, yadda.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-31-06 06:46 AM   #2 
  - Your "better represented" constituency  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 06:56 AM   #10 
     - My donating dollars are in the minority too.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-31-06 06:57 AM   #13 
     - well, that's your right.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 07:00 AM   #15 
        - Oh, yes. Supporting Democrats is turning out to be a laugh a minute.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-31-06 07:05 AM   #18 
           - The same Obama that's been called a traitor here hundreds of times?  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:03 AM   #40 
     - You know...that's what people said when the Republicans under  rpannier   Jan-31-06 07:43 AM   #33 
  - "because they are re-elected comfortably"  DaveTheWave   Jan-31-06 06:50 AM   #3 
  - What they know is that their districts/states are pre-disposed to voting  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 06:53 AM   #6 
     - I live in a red state in a town that's even more red and....  DaveTheWave   Jan-31-06 07:09 AM   #20 
        - Corrine Brown is in a heavily African-American district.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:04 AM   #41 
           - Sure, the way her district is drawn up...  DaveTheWave   Jan-31-06 08:52 AM   #77 
  - tell that to MLK Jr.  G_j   Jan-31-06 06:50 AM   #4 
  - If MLK had to win an ELECTION, he'd have lost repeatedly and in a big way.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 06:55 AM   #7 
     - yes right  G_j   Jan-31-06 06:58 AM   #14 
        - Very substantive response.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 07:01 AM   #16 
           - wow  G_j   Jan-31-06 07:13 AM   #23 
              - You insulted yourself, pal.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:05 AM   #42 
              - pal ?  G_j   Jan-31-06 08:13 AM   #53 
              - Ignore him  rpannier   Jan-31-06 08:08 AM   #47 
                 - Gandhi wasn't running for office.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:14 AM   #55 
                 - Uhhh. You need to take a closer look at the way the electorate views both  rpannier   Jan-31-06 08:25 AM   #68 
                 - compelling points  G_j   Jan-31-06 08:39 AM   #72 
  - My 2 cents from Florida: Senator Bob Graham never  Mend   Jan-31-06 06:52 AM   #5 
  - Bob Graham first got elected when Florida was blue.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 06:55 AM   #8 
  - Bill Nelson is an incumbent....and this state was never very blue.  Mend   Jan-31-06 07:09 AM   #21 
     - Right on target.. n/t  converted_democrat   Jan-31-06 07:12 AM   #22 
     - I know a number of people that were high ranking members of Chiles' staff.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:16 AM   #58 
  - Amen and halleleujah  peace frog   Jan-31-06 07:06 AM   #19 
  - Nelson is a DINO  RememberWellstone   Jan-31-06 12:18 PM   #148 
  - I'm not that big on John Kerry either, but I certainly can't fault  0007   Jan-31-06 06:55 AM   #9 
  - I agree, but that is not the point at all.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 06:57 AM   #11 
     - And you're trying to clue us in that John Kerry was  0007   Jan-31-06 07:59 AM   #38 
        - We could? What part of the scenario I laid out do you take issue with?  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:03 AM   #39 
           - Sorry if you can't figure that one out! See ya' - Bye  0007   Jan-31-06 09:03 AM   #80 
  - You also missed on key point...  br7598   Jan-31-06 07:05 AM   #17 
  - exactly....the repukes came back into power by being strong  Mend   Jan-31-06 07:14 AM   #24 
  - They own the voting machines!  Cobalt Violet   Jan-31-06 07:24 AM   #27 
     - Uh..no  rpannier   Jan-31-06 07:46 AM   #35 
        - 94 was not 2000, 2002,2004,  Cobalt Violet   Jan-31-06 08:11 AM   #49 
           - And I understand that, but when you said "Came to power.."  rpannier   Jan-31-06 08:15 AM   #56 
           - The point is that the republican ascendency began in earnest in 1994  lastliberalintexas   Jan-31-06 08:16 AM   #57 
              - I don't think we should be another lock-step party.  Cobalt Violet   Jan-31-06 08:23 AM   #65 
  - WRONG !!!!!!!!!  Cobalt Violet   Jan-31-06 07:23 AM   #26 
  - You keep telling yourself that  rpannier   Jan-31-06 07:56 AM   #37 
  - How many more elections do they need to steal for you to believe it?  Cobalt Violet   Jan-31-06 08:13 AM   #52 
  - Democrats will continue to lose if they keep blaming Diebold, like you do  mtnsnake   Jan-31-06 09:06 AM   #82 
     - Okay how about 8 hr. lines to vote for the poor.  Cobalt Violet   Jan-31-06 01:49 PM   #158 
        - That's a valid point for sure  mtnsnake   Jan-31-06 06:22 PM   #161 
  - Well said, br  gilpo   Jan-31-06 07:35 AM   #32 
  - Very good analysis- it's like the IWR vote all over  lastliberalintexas   Jan-31-06 07:50 AM   #36 
  - Republicans spent 40 years out of power.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:12 AM   #51 
     - Republicans didn't take just any majority  Heaven and Earth   Jan-31-06 10:03 AM   #103 
        - I have the majority at all cost outlook.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 10:18 AM   #117 
  - Kudo's Vash. . .  wndycty   Jan-31-06 07:17 AM   #25 
  - and so you think "wake the fuck up"  G_j   Jan-31-06 07:30 AM   #28 
     - You'll stop receiving such lectures  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:06 AM   #44 
  - In your analysis, you totally omit the question of principle.  joemurphy   Jan-31-06 07:31 AM   #29 
  - I address the question of principle quite clearly.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:08 AM   #46 
     - And perhaps you failed to read mine.  joemurphy   Jan-31-06 08:29 AM   #70 
        - I'm the know-it-all?  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:35 AM   #71 
  - Spare me your patronizing "you don't seem to understand" crap  enough already   Jan-31-06 07:31 AM   #30 
  - Really? A "true" Democrat can win anywhere?  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:08 AM   #48 
  - THANK YOU  antfarm   Jan-31-06 07:33 AM   #31 
  - Regaining the majority is meaningless if we lose the Court  lastliberalintexas   Jan-31-06 07:43 AM   #34 
  - We lost the Court in 2004.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:07 AM   #45 
     - Yes, we do, we just won't use it  lastliberalintexas   Jan-31-06 08:11 AM   #50 
        - Republicans have backed themselves into a corner.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:13 AM   #54 
           - Do you actually believe that?  lastliberalintexas   Jan-31-06 08:20 AM   #61 
  - Very well said thanks.  William769   Jan-31-06 08:05 AM   #43 
  - Smile. Be Happy with the Not as Bad Party.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-31-06 08:17 AM   #59 
  - 40% don't bother to vote because they think American Idol is high culture.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:19 AM   #60 
     - Yet you seem to think that the ones who vote for VichyDems DO have a clue?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-31-06 08:22 AM   #63 
  - K&R nt  Blue State Native   Jan-31-06 08:21 AM   #62 
  - K&R?  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:47 AM   #75 
     - Kick and Recommend, Vash. It is a good thing.  Pirate Smile   Jan-31-06 09:29 AM   #85 
        - Thanks!  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 09:36 AM   #89 
  - Agree with 100% of this. Brave of you to post this. nt.  Strong Atheist   Jan-31-06 08:22 AM   #64 
  - Thank you.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:45 AM   #74 
     - True. Hey! I see we are neighbors!  Strong Atheist   Jan-31-06 08:55 AM   #78 
  - I am awake and that's the problem.  mmonk   Jan-31-06 08:24 AM   #66 
  - You're right - most don't understand what Alito means.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:44 AM   #73 
     - I cried for this following the 2004 election. I knew this was coming.  Pirate Smile   Jan-31-06 09:32 AM   #88 
  - The Monday morning quarterbacks are out in full force...  rucky   Jan-31-06 08:25 AM   #67 
  - Working hard and working smart are totally different.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 08:49 AM   #76 
  - Thank you, Vash  no name no slogan   Jan-31-06 08:26 AM   #69 
  - Do you remember the result of the cloture vote on Roberts? Do you remember  Czolgosz   Jan-31-06 08:56 AM   #79 
  - You misunderstand, I was not disparaging Kerry.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 09:06 AM   #81 
  - Thank you for spelling it OUT.  0007   Jan-31-06 09:12 AM   #83 
  - Excellent post! Thank you! n/t  ProSense   Jan-31-06 09:58 AM   #98 
  - Everything you say is so true, Vash,  mtnsnake   Jan-31-06 09:21 AM   #84 
  - Horseshit.  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 09:29 AM   #86 
  - What are you talking about?  br7598   Jan-31-06 09:40 AM   #90 
     - What you are talking about it supporting a progressive in the  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 09:42 AM   #91 
  - I've heard these kinds of lectures a lot over the last 3 elections we lost  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 09:32 AM   #87 
  - I think you might misunderstand Vash's post.  janx   Jan-31-06 09:43 AM   #92 
     - 41 Votes to sustain a filibuster, 45 Democrats......  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 09:45 AM   #93 
     - These excuses were contrived over a week ago- no make that 6 years ago.  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 09:51 AM   #95 
     - There's no need to be unpleasant.  janx   Jan-31-06 09:56 AM   #97 
     - Then no Alito, that's what....  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 10:02 AM   #102 
     - What I don't understand is expecting the 45 to have a hive mind.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 10:01 AM   #101 
     - Yeah, Robert Byrd, Mr. Constitution man  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 10:05 AM   #104 
     - Mr. Constitution Man has a tight re-election campaign this year.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:05 AM   #131 
        - Mr. Constitution man is 300 fucking years old,  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 11:07 AM   #132 
           - The taxpayers of West Virginia will make the decision as to  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:17 AM   #133 
              - Yeah, right....  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 11:21 AM   #135 
                 - Perhaps you haven't read your Constitution lately.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:26 AM   #138 
                    - I'll apologize for the comment...  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 11:33 AM   #142 
                       - I apologize too.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:41 AM   #145 
                          - I understand.  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 11:44 AM   #146 
     - B.S. Any DEM who claims to "trust" Alito is either lying or stupid.  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 10:10 AM   #109 
     - The Republicans would have used the "nuclear option"  rockymountaindem   Jan-31-06 10:09 AM   #106 
        - Oh you're for the "let them Nuke us so they don't Nuke us"  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 10:13 AM   #112 
        - No, all I'm saying is filabuster or not  rockymountaindem   Jan-31-06 11:40 AM   #144 
        - I predict they will use it for our next "measured" filibuster.  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 10:14 AM   #114 
     - Did I say somthing that was incorrect?  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 09:50 AM   #94 
     - A filibuster wouldn't have accomplished that.  janx   Jan-31-06 10:01 AM   #100 
        - We have how many Democrats in the senate?  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 10:07 AM   #105 
           - Need 41 votes, Have 45 Dems,  samhsarah   Jan-31-06 10:09 AM   #107 
           - I know, looks like excuses dont negate 2nd grade math.  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 10:11 AM   #110 
           - "continue debate"  janx   Jan-31-06 10:14 AM   #113 
              - They could have voted "no" instead of "yes."  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 10:17 AM   #115 
                 - No instead of yes on cloture? Is that what you're talking about?  janx   Jan-31-06 10:49 AM   #122 
                    - I thought that was the topic. n/t  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 12:23 PM   #151 
                       - Well, it's part of it.  janx   Jan-31-06 12:29 PM   #153 
                          - The "DEMs have no spine" perception IS about the 2006 elections  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 02:16 PM   #159 
     - Regardless of whether it would have blocked the nomination ...  Straight Shooter   Jan-31-06 10:00 AM   #99 
     - I agree with everything you say here.,  janx   Jan-31-06 10:10 AM   #108 
     - In reality, without trying there was no chance  karynnj   Jan-31-06 10:52 AM   #125 
  - Two responses to that:  Heaven and Earth   Jan-31-06 09:55 AM   #96 
  - I don't think this ideological purity is a good thing at all.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 10:13 AM   #111 
     - It really is horrible.  janx   Jan-31-06 10:18 AM   #116 
     - ....looking at this thread, I don't think anything was learned.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 10:18 AM   #118 
        - The capitulators & excuse makers are the ones who need to learn somthing.  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 10:40 AM   #119 
        - Bush and public perception?  janx   Jan-31-06 10:48 AM   #121 
           - The Iraq war yes votes and the Alito yes votes...  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 10:51 AM   #123 
              - I can see your point there, but I don't think that analogy  janx   Jan-31-06 10:57 AM   #126 
                 - The issue is how many voted to continue debate on an important appointment  Dr Fate   Jan-31-06 11:01 AM   #127 
        - This isn't a teacher/student relationship.  Heaven and Earth   Jan-31-06 10:51 AM   #124 
           - We all learn together as we go.  janx   Jan-31-06 11:02 AM   #128 
           - Believe it or not...  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:04 AM   #130 
     - We worked together to find the best solution  Heaven and Earth   Jan-31-06 10:45 AM   #120 
        - Your last paragraph is exactly what I've been saying for a long time  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:03 AM   #129 
  - Oh just go away!  springhill   Jan-31-06 11:19 AM   #134 
  - There's an ignore feature.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:22 AM   #136 
  - Playing the people is what politicians do...  fiziwig   Jan-31-06 11:24 AM   #137 
  - But DU apparently doesn't understand it's been played.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:27 AM   #140 
     - YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS WRONG to begin with, so it hurts your argument.  blm   Jan-31-06 12:21 PM   #149 
  - Well put Human Typhoon  pinklefoot   Jan-31-06 11:26 AM   #139 
  - Continuing grassroots efforts  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 11:29 AM   #141 
  - Than you don't know shit about John Kerry  FreedomAngel82   Jan-31-06 11:35 AM   #143 
  - That's a funny assertion.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 12:44 PM   #155 
  - partial agreement  Snivi Yllom   Jan-31-06 12:15 PM   #147 
  - I really shouldn't have to.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 12:46 PM   #156 
  - Well put, Mr. Stampede  NotThatNolan   Jan-31-06 12:22 PM   #150 
  - Shows of principle are NOT  DemonGoddess   Jan-31-06 12:27 PM   #152 
  - Shows of principle without POWER are hollow.  Vash the Stampede   Jan-31-06 12:47 PM   #157 
  - yes, the Republican party is pushing  newspeak   Jan-31-06 12:38 PM   #154 
  - I agree.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 02:23 PM   #160 
  - BEST POST RE: ALITO OF THE PAST MONTH!  Clarkie1   Jan-31-06 07:00 PM   #162 
  - thanks Clarkie  Vash the Stampede   Feb-01-06 06:38 AM   #163 
  - Ignore, double post  ComerPerro   Feb-01-06 06:40 AM   #164 
  - I am a doom-and-gloomer who knew all along that Alito would be confirmed  ComerPerro   Feb-01-06 06:40 AM   #165 
  - Well, that's not really the type of doom and gloomer I'm talking about.  Vash the Stampede   Feb-01-06 07:57 AM   #166 
     - Yeah, but its not an optimistic outlook to have  ComerPerro   Feb-01-06 07:59 AM   #167 
        - Oh, I think we can  Vash the Stampede   Feb-01-06 08:08 AM   #168 
           - I hope you're right. But we are gonna need a lot of things to change  ComerPerro   Feb-01-06 08:18 AM   #169 
  - A newcomers viewpoint  Dancindays   Feb-01-06 09:55 AM   #170 
 

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