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Reply #39: Turning accusations of "partisan coup" against them is simple. . . [View All]

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39. Turning accusations of "partisan coup" against them is simple. . .
The Dems just need to make sure the public knows that it is up to Bush and Cheney to "spare the nation" from the disruption of impeachment by doing the following:
  1. Cheney resigns, Bush nominates new VP.

    The VP must be confirmed by both the House and Senate. Since we elected these folks, if they object to a nominee, that objection reflects our will.

  2. Bush resigns, new VP is sworn in as President.

  3. New President nominates a VP.

    Once again, the VP he/she nominates must be confirmed by both the House and Senate, and therefore meets with our approval (through the people who represent us).

The Democratic members of the Congress fighting for impeachment need to sincerely express their fervent hope that Bush and Cheney do this. They need to be clear that they want things to play out this way because they do not want the nation to have ANY Question about whether or not their motivation is partisan.

Of course, if Bush and Cheney choose to be forcibly removed through impeachment, then the succession We the People have established in the 25th amendment will govern, and the Democratic Speaker will take the office of the Presidency. Since this succession is in accordance with the laws we established, it is also a reflection of our will.

Pointing out the choices that are available to the criminals in the WH could be a very effective way to speed up the whole process. It shifts the accusations that "they are subjecting the nation to a long painful process" to Bush and Cheney.

Republicans are likely to be VERY motivated to pressure Bush and Cheney to take the resignation "exit strategy."

Republicans may not be willing to defend the indefensible for long. When Bush nullified McCain's anti-torture amendment (which passed with over 90 votes) he slapped them in the face. They would be hard pressed to defend Bush for abusing signing statements nullify the overwhelming will of the people in order to keep torture "on the table." Warner, Graham, McCain, and Collins (may have been others I'm not recalling) came out against the "War Criminals Protection Act." The "compromise" they got was not much of one, it just shifted the responsibility for actually approving torture to Bush (as opposed to approving it themselves and becoming War Criminals). Specter dismissed the WH defense of the criminal surveillance program as absurd. There are some other "rational" Republicans (Snowe, Hagel, and Lugar).

Repubs will certainly try the "Un-Patriotic to attack the President in War time" bit (the only "attack" on impeachment we have heard out of them) but that doesn't go far if Repubs aren't willing to defend against the indefensible charges (which they aren't even doing now).

Bush and Cheney are an albatross that many Republicans would be happy to get rid of.

An as long as Democratic leaders accuse in strong and clear language (no more hiding truth in euphemism) "debates" about the charges will be the nightly fare on every news-entertainment show. Debates about:
  • Whether or not Bush and Cheney's claim to have a "get out of jail free" card (unitary authoritarian executive) are absurd;

  • Whether or not Bush and Cheney confess to high crimes every time they invoke the "unitary" fig leaf;

  • Whether or not Bush and Co abused power to terrorize the nation into a criminal war of aggression. (No amount of "stretching" can support the notion that Iraq had the capability to drop a nuclear bomb anywhere within the United States -- not in 45 minutes; not in a year; not in 5 years.);

  • Whether or not forcing through the War Criminals Protection Act demonstrates consciousness of guilt.

  • Whether or not they should be turned over to the Hague, given that SCOTUS declared them to be War Criminals in Hamdam.
When the Democratic leadership gets serious about impeachment, Repubs may have Bush and Cheney out within a week.

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  Problem with IMPEACHMENT: PELOSI is NOT a solution to our National Crisis Sensitivity  Nov-23-06 05:01 PM   #0 
   oh Bite me. Like Pelosi could be WORSE than Bush/Cheney? Get a grip  peacebird   Nov-23-06 05:10 PM   #1 
   I was impressed with Dryfus's argument for impeachment on Real Time -- but then started to think . .  Sensitivity   Nov-23-06 05:12 PM   #2 
   Here here.  Beam Me Up   Nov-23-06 05:22 PM   #4 
   Nancy Pelosi would make a great president.  Fridays Child   Nov-23-06 05:19 PM   #3 
   Then she had better get some Foreign Policy visibility fast. She is not known outside U.S. and not  Sensitivity   Nov-23-06 06:11 PM   #10 
   As if George W. Bush had any foreign policy experience prior to 2001.  philosophie_en_rose   Nov-23-06 06:16 PM   #12 
      Doncha kno? Doebiya knows his geopht...geogrha..  BelgianMadCow   Nov-24-06 03:43 AM   #33 
   What's this sudden requirement for a "perfect" President...  neoblues   Nov-23-06 08:04 PM   #20 
   let's be real.  unblock   Nov-23-06 05:23 PM   #5 
   Ding! Ding! Ding! Reality check: Pelosi will not become President.  elocs   Nov-23-06 05:24 PM   #6 
   A Year Ago NOBODY Would Put Money on Flipping the House or Senate  Demeter   Nov-23-06 07:10 PM   #16 
      Like I said, I stick with the pros like Pelosi rather than the armchair political quarterbacks. n/t  elocs   Nov-23-06 10:05 PM   #24 
   If Bush isnt impeached they will just do it all over again sometime in the future  niceypoo   Nov-23-06 05:42 PM   #7 
   It must not be much of a national crisis  MGD   Nov-23-06 05:56 PM   #8 
   "Pelosi for President"  Freeusfromthechurch   Nov-23-06 05:57 PM   #9 
   Ham Sandwich (D-Subway) is a better president than George W. Bush.  philosophie_en_rose   Nov-23-06 06:15 PM   #11 
   Oh, FUCK protocol... Maybe we need a little shaking up to get anything  pooja   Nov-23-06 06:33 PM   #13 
   That's what I'm talking about pooja!!!!  Freeusfromthechurch   Nov-23-06 06:46 PM   #14 
   Irrelevant and cowardly. - n/t  porphyrian   Nov-23-06 06:51 PM   #15 
   Hear, hear!  Zhade   Nov-23-06 08:37 PM   #21 
      Dammit. I'll have to try to be more of an asshole...  porphyrian   Nov-23-06 11:38 PM   #26 
   Pelosi is a coward!  Dangerman   Nov-23-06 07:33 PM   #17 
   The only way for Pelosi to become president...  jmowreader   Nov-23-06 07:33 PM   #18 
   We all know what Justice would be...  neoblues   Nov-23-06 07:58 PM   #19 
   Hate to bust that bubble  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-23-06 08:48 PM   #22 
   Total rubbish. Bereft of any coherent, logical argument. EOM  Nozebro   Nov-23-06 09:17 PM   #23 
   OK. I would love IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS. But what isuccesion saves the nation  Sensitivity   Nov-23-06 10:46 PM   #25 
   Pelosi would immediately have infinitely more respect from world  Zorra   Nov-24-06 12:16 AM   #27 
   And they are ready to rally behind Pelosi. Get real. That is not how it works!  Sensitivity   Nov-24-06 12:42 AM   #28 
      I simply said that she would get infinitely more respect from world  Zorra   Nov-24-06 01:01 AM   #29 
   I am truly worried about Nancy. . .  brensgrrl   Nov-24-06 01:29 AM   #30 
   Looking for the "Idiot" award?  ConsAreLiars   Nov-24-06 01:39 AM   #31 
   The point is to FOCUS on ENDING THE FIASCO rather than doing things thant DON'T change the real prob  Sensitivity   Nov-24-06 07:29 AM   #35 
   TOTAL BS. Welcome to my scantily populated ignore list, no-profiler  BelgianMadCow   Nov-24-06 03:41 AM   #32 
   Sorry, but that's just SILLY.  dicksteele   Nov-24-06 04:10 AM   #34 
   Being serioius about dealing with the real world crisis is not silly. Leadership wanted not games.  Sensitivity   Nov-24-06 08:00 AM   #36 
      No, but your notion that she could be WORSE than B*sh is very silly indeed.  dicksteele   Nov-24-06 12:01 PM   #37 
   <deleted>  thedeanpeople   Nov-24-06 03:55 PM   #38 
   Turning accusations of "partisan coup" against them is simple. . .  pat_k   Nov-24-06 03:59 PM   #39 
 

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