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100. Bush had to do that because of his own failures
He had below 50% approval ratings in an election year and Presidents with ratings that low do not get re-elected. He had a crappy economy and a failing war on his hands.

Bush convinced enough people that Kerry would be worse than him and that's how he won. Kerry failed to attack Bush for dodging the draft and being a chickenhawk and that's why he lost.
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  -About that so-called "horrible" Kerry campaign ProSense  Nov-22-06 02:24 PM   #0 
  - he lost  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:25 PM   #1 
  - Only two words you need n/t  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:26 PM   #2 
  - He did answer - media wouldn't air his counterattacks on swifts.  blm   Nov-22-06 02:29 PM   #5 
  - he chose not to answer until it was too late  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:32 PM   #11 
  - here's documented...and I think you forget about the outing of NJ governor that  blm   Nov-22-06 02:37 PM   #21 
  - faxing letters  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:40 PM   #24 
     - It wasn't faxing letters!  ProSense   Nov-22-06 02:42 PM   #31 
     - no paid media  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:45 PM   #37 
        - Are you actually reading the information? There was paid media! n/t  ProSense   Nov-22-06 02:46 PM   #44 
           - paid media  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:49 PM   # 
              - There were TV commercials! n/t  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:08 PM   # 
     - Kerry scheduled a speech at the Firefighters where he ATTACKED swifts and Bush for an hour  blm   Nov-22-06 02:44 PM   #36 
        - no paid media  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:46 PM   #42 
           - Read the research - there WERE ads aired - and Cleland even went to Crawford and  blm   Nov-22-06 02:49 PM   #49 
              - there was no paid media until way past a week of the ads hitting  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:51 PM   #53 
                 - In 1992 media climate - 2004 corpmedia is almost all RW and the left machine  blm   Nov-22-06 03:15 PM   #81 
                    - the country is divided to the point right now  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 04:09 PM   #101 
                       - The DNC had the same tired spokespeople only schooled in defending Clinton for 12yrrs  blm   Nov-22-06 07:23 PM   #130 
                          - Clinton  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 07:35 PM   #131 
                             - If the DNC had not hung on to Clinton-era targetted state strategy, the election process  blm   Nov-22-06 08:05 PM   #135 
                                - sorry  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 08:12 PM   #136 
                                   - Shrum had NO MACHINE to tap into the way RW message machine performed. How  blm   Nov-22-06 08:18 PM   #137 
                                      - Clinton won the pr battle during impeachment  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 08:20 PM   #138 
                                         - And then his numbers tanked after majority of people BELIEVED BushInc's lie that  blm   Nov-22-06 08:23 PM   #140 
                                            - his numbers stayed pretty steady  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 08:28 PM   #141 
                                            - The DNC didn't COUNTER the RNC - why you believe that the DNc's 4yrs of groundwork  blm   Nov-22-06 08:40 PM   #142 
                                            - no I don't  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 08:45 PM   #143 
                                            - Shrum wasn't perfect - but the votes were lost at the state and county levels where there  blm   Nov-22-06 08:55 PM   #145 
                                            - the votes were lost at that level  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 09:03 PM   #148 
                                            - The DNC had no party infrastructure IN THOSE STATES to support the campaign!  blm   Nov-22-06 09:09 PM   #149 
                                            - this is a copout  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 09:15 PM   #151 
                                            - That infrastructure was further collapsed since 2000 - ask the workers in Ohio  blm   Nov-22-06 09:19 PM   #154 
                                            - that may be the case  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 09:32 PM   #158 
                                            - Turnout wasn't the problem - securing the process and counting the votes earned WAS.  blm   Nov-24-06 10:49 AM   #170 
                                            - why did Shrum lose all those other races  DaveinMD   Nov-24-06 07:31 PM   #174 
  - You are very gullible to be taken in so badly by the MSM noise machine.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-22-06 02:45 PM   #38 
  - But it was Kerry's choice to take or not take than advice, right?  elocs   Nov-22-06 04:16 PM   #106 
     - I agree  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 08:50 PM   #144 
  - Nope, he didn't run ads saying that Bush was a draft dodging chickenhawk  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 03:57 PM   # 
  - There's a thing we call "buying media time"  JNelson6563   Nov-22-06 04:45 PM   #110 
  - But his concession speech was a mismash of  truedelphi   Nov-22-06 05:48 PM   #119 
  - The point of the OP was that it was a very close loss  beachmom   Nov-22-06 02:30 PM   #9 
  - close doesn't count  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:31 PM   #10 
  - It does, however, in stealing them. nt  NCevilDUer   Nov-22-06 02:34 PM   #15 
     - if he ran a good campaign  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:35 PM   #18 
        - I am certain that Dean's DNC would have had vote results that MATCHED exit polls  blm   Nov-22-06 02:46 PM   #41 
  - he lost  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:34 PM   #16 
  - It was stolen.  babylonsister   Nov-22-06 02:41 PM   #26 
     - Wouldn't have been if Kerry had been 5-10 points ahead of Bush  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 04:01 PM   #98 
  - the OP makes it sound like all incumbent Presidents have been re-elected  hfojvt   Nov-22-06 03:09 PM   #74 
  - Narrowest margin ever: To a chimp  JNelson6563   Nov-22-06 04:47 PM   #111 
  - Where were you at? He did answer back.  wisteria   Nov-22-06 02:38 PM   #22 
  - Shrum  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:42 PM   #28 
  - Kerry hasn't learned a thing..  Tellurian   Nov-22-06 02:42 PM   #29 
  - Have other candidates learned something that Kerry hasn't?  politicasista   Nov-22-06 02:52 PM   #55 
  - Oh. I guess, you haven't been paying attention..  Tellurian   Nov-22-06 06:16 PM   #124 
     - Have they spoken about election fraud or election reform  politicasista   Nov-22-06 11:36 PM   #161 
  - So says the repeated inside Washington Bullsh*t, that for some reason  wisteria   Nov-22-06 02:59 PM   #64 
  - *  AtomicKitten   Nov-22-06 03:49 PM   #93 
     - You agree with anyone  politicasista   Nov-22-06 03:55 PM   #95 
        - *  AtomicKitten   Nov-22-06 04:02 PM   #99 
           - No, I don't assume that  politicasista   Nov-22-06 04:16 PM   #107 
              - *  AtomicKitten   Nov-22-06 04:21 PM   #108 
                 - I try not to get involved in these Kerry threads,  seasonedblue   Nov-22-06 04:48 PM   #112 
                    - thank you, mam  AtomicKitten   Nov-22-06 04:55 PM   #113 
                    - Why do you persist in attacking AK?  Tellurian   Nov-22-06 06:34 PM   #127 
                       - I was defending AK  seasonedblue   Nov-22-06 07:38 PM   #132 
                       - Ah, hats off to you then, seasonedblue..  Tellurian   Nov-22-06 07:46 PM   #133 
                          - ROFLMAO  seasonedblue   Nov-22-06 07:49 PM   #134 
                          - And yet they attract you and your "repetitive nonsense." n/t  ProSense   Nov-22-06 08:58 PM   #146 
                             - Oh, oh, you went off script.. ProSense  Tellurian   Nov-22-06 10:02 PM   #160 
                       - It's prejudice plain and simple.  _dynamicdems   Nov-23-06 02:22 AM   #167 
  - In Ohio thanks to Blackwell  LSK   Nov-22-06 02:51 PM   #52 
  - he lost the popular vote  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 06:05 PM   #121 
  - No, Bush/Cheney/Rove stole it.  garthranzz   Nov-22-06 03:36 PM   #89 
  - why didn't they steal this one  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 06:05 PM   #122 
  - True, he lost. And there were good moments and bad ones  LittleClarkie   Nov-22-06 03:39 PM   #90 
  - okay  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 06:06 PM   #123 
     - 10 years ago he won one. But I bring up Carville because I didn't appreciate him  LittleClarkie   Nov-22-06 06:20 PM   #125 
        - that's fine  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 06:52 PM   #129 
  - Kerry won by a considerable margin, about 3% probably.  Stevepol   Nov-22-06 09:20 PM   #155 
  - Winning all three debates decisively is not horrible - and if the campaign was  blm   Nov-22-06 02:27 PM   #3 
  - he lost  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:29 PM   #4 
  - The weakass DNC let the strongarm RNC steal it. Kerry beat Bush in every matchup.  blm   Nov-22-06 02:30 PM   #8 
  - they did the same things they all always do  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:33 PM   #12 
  - Kerry said what EVERY LAWMAKER does - they vote for then against EVERY bill  blm   Nov-22-06 02:43 PM   #32 
  - it sounded stupid  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:48 PM   #47 
     - So you advocate treating people as STUPID as Rove does - postKatrina people aren't buying  blm   Nov-22-06 02:52 PM   #54 
        - I advocate  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:53 PM   #57 
  - Seemed like he had an abundance...  neoblues   Nov-22-06 02:58 PM   #62 
     - Bush never did his own attacking - the RNC handled it almost exclusively.  blm   Nov-22-06 03:10 PM   #77 
  - he lost  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:33 PM   #14 
     - You've made your point. Explain how any of these other candidates  beachmom   Nov-22-06 02:40 PM   #25 
        - Not my problem  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:43 PM   #33 
        - simple  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 02:43 PM   #34 
  - It was stolen.  babylonsister   Nov-22-06 02:41 PM   #27 
     - And he *knew* that, yet still conceded. With $3,000,000 left in his warchest  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:45 PM   #40 
        - Okay, which is it he lost or it was stolen, or  ProSense   Nov-22-06 02:48 PM   #48 
           - OK...one more time -- the point is RESULTS  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:53 PM   #56 
              - Senator Kerry did the right thing by conceding.  _dynamicdems   Nov-23-06 02:18 AM   #166 
  - Bush had to do that because of his own failures  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 04:04 PM   #100 
  - 1) it shouldn't have been close enough to steal; 2) he didn't contest; 3) why rehash this again?  greeneyedboy   Nov-22-06 02:29 PM   #6 
  - Cause people think that the media will go easy on anyone  politicasista   Nov-22-06 02:35 PM   #17 
  - You have forgotten the atmosphere of 2004  beachmom   Nov-22-06 02:37 PM   #20 
  - Kerry let Bush define him as a flip-flopper and failed to respond effectively.  David Dunham   Nov-22-06 02:30 PM   #7 
  - Clinton let GOP impeach him and failed to respond effectively....because  blm   Nov-22-06 02:39 PM   #23 
  - All elections tag those campaigning with something or other.  wisteria   Nov-22-06 02:45 PM   #39 
  - This is a bad thread  rockymountaindem   Nov-22-06 02:33 PM   #13 
  - Only to the people who will have to keep repeating  ProSense   Nov-22-06 02:36 PM   #19 
  - "The campaign record speaks for itself!"  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:42 PM   #30 
     - LOL!  ProSense   Nov-22-06 02:43 PM   #35 
     - Not frantic, just astounded at the steepness of your learning curve.  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:47 PM   #46 
     - So, it doesn't mean he was bad, it means he lost to a war time President  wisteria   Nov-22-06 02:50 PM   #51 
        - Oh please stop with the "war time" bullshit  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:57 PM   #60 
           - Frantic! n/t  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:03 PM   #68 
              - Clueless! n/t  jgraz   Nov-22-06 03:08 PM   #73 
                 - Have it your way! n/t  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:09 PM   #75 
                    - I will! n/t  jgraz   Nov-22-06 03:11 PM   #78 
  - You should ask for this to be locked  rockymountaindem   Nov-22-06 02:58 PM   #61 
     - With all due respect,  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:07 PM   #70 
  - I was rooting for Kerry - but he just didn't fight back  derby378   Nov-22-06 02:46 PM   #43 
  - Those pics make it mighter hard to believe Kerry lost.  Old and In the Way   Nov-22-06 02:47 PM   #45 
  - if any of that were based on reality then it could be considered but GIGO as they say  bullimiami   Nov-22-06 02:49 PM   #50 
  - Not really what happened!  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:00 PM   #66 
     - conceding the very next day when it was obvious they stole it sucked in my book.  bullimiami   Nov-22-06 09:41 PM   #159 
  - Kerry ran a horrible campaign. He lost to the stupidest man  bowens43   Nov-22-06 02:55 PM   #58 
  - Who do you consider a real candidate besides McCain? n/t  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:02 PM   #67 
  - Oh, says who? You! Please, Kerry could debate McCain under a  wisteria   Nov-22-06 03:05 PM   #69 
  - Those pictures and numbers are amazing. he may of lost, but  wisteria   Nov-22-06 02:56 PM   #59 
  - They are amazing. One huge "NOT BUSH" rally  jgraz   Nov-22-06 02:59 PM   #63 
  - I don't believe for a minute that he "lost"  dailykoff   Nov-22-06 03:00 PM   #65 
  - It was more like a forfeit  jgraz   Nov-22-06 03:07 PM   #71 
     - What on earth are you talking about?  dailykoff   Nov-22-06 03:12 PM   #79 
        - It's called "honor"  jgraz   Nov-22-06 03:13 PM   #80 
           - And he did the honorable thing  dailykoff   Nov-22-06 03:17 PM   #82 
              - Waiting on "Mr. and Mrs. Missouri" to approve his battles is Kerry's problem  jgraz   Nov-22-06 03:22 PM   #83 
                 - "never seemed quite willing to go to the mat for what he believed."  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:28 PM   #84 
                 - Of course s/he doesn't.  dailykoff   Nov-22-06 03:30 PM   #86 
                 - Really?  jgraz   Nov-22-06 03:41 PM   #91 
                    - Right, and I'm sure you had your purple band-aid on.  dailykoff   Nov-22-06 03:45 PM   #92 
                    - That's crap and you know it  jgraz   Nov-22-06 04:28 PM   #109 
                    - More facts:  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:52 PM   #94 
                 - I didn't until 2004  jgraz   Nov-22-06 03:34 PM   #88 
                 - Welcome to politics.  dailykoff   Nov-22-06 03:28 PM   #85 
  - the people arguing are not arguing on fact, or intelligence, or  seabeyond   Nov-22-06 03:08 PM   #72 
  - Kerry is an honorable man  DaveinMD   Nov-22-06 04:11 PM   #103 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-22-06 03:09 PM   #76 
  - Forgot one  LittleClarkie   Nov-22-06 03:31 PM   #87 
  - ONLY BECAUSE OF GORE AND HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST  pansypoo53219   Nov-22-06 03:57 PM   #96 
  - "georgie threw those debates on purpose"  ProSense   Nov-22-06 03:59 PM   #97 
  - His campaign was poorly run.  girl gone mad   Nov-22-06 04:10 PM   #102 
  - Check the editing room of the corporate media n/t  politicasista   Nov-22-06 04:12 PM   #104 
  - KERRY WON! NOT "NARROW VICTORY FOR W" but a steal.  The Count   Nov-22-06 04:13 PM   #105 
  - Kerry at 7% in latest CNN poll  jgraz   Nov-22-06 05:21 PM   #114 
  - Point?  ProSense   Nov-22-06 05:26 PM   #115 
     - let me walk you through it  jgraz   Nov-22-06 05:33 PM   #116 
     - "You guys aren't this dumb."  ProSense   Nov-22-06 05:38 PM   #117 
        - Who the fuck is Richardson?  jgraz   Nov-22-06 05:43 PM   #118 
           - Sorry, I did mistake you for someone else, but  ProSense   Nov-22-06 05:56 PM   #120 
     - According to that poll...  _dynamicdems   Nov-23-06 01:09 AM   #165 
  - it was the "so very well timed" Bin Laden tape that did Kerry in  AZDemDist6   Nov-22-06 06:32 PM   #126 
  - That is a myth. Kerry ran a great campaign and attracted LARGE  texpatriot2004   Nov-22-06 06:51 PM   #128 
  - Well I was one of those 59 million votes, and I did it even though it stunk to do so.  mondo joe   Nov-22-06 08:22 PM   #139 
  - And then there were those of us PROUD to finally vote for an anti-corruption,  blm   Nov-22-06 08:58 PM   #147 
     - Like I said - not every vote meant the same thing.  mondo joe   Nov-22-06 09:13 PM   #150 
        - Not really!  ProSense   Nov-22-06 09:17 PM   #152 
        - I said "most".  mondo joe   Nov-22-06 09:18 PM   #153 
        - Except REAL patriots prefer anti-corruption, open government Democrats while  blm   Nov-22-06 09:22 PM   #156 
           - He got my vote.  mondo joe   Nov-22-06 09:28 PM   #157 
  - Thanks for posting this.  Unbowed   Nov-23-06 12:08 AM   #162 
  - Very nice comment. Thanks!  ProSense   Nov-23-06 12:47 AM   #163 
  - Thank you, you made my night. "Cheese for the rats", I like it.  wisteria   Nov-23-06 12:49 AM   #164 
  - Well said.  bleever   Nov-23-06 02:09 PM   #169 
  - Before and after convention  ProSense   Nov-23-06 12:05 PM   #168 
  - yeah, great campaign  leftofthedial   Nov-24-06 10:54 AM   #171 
  - Sometimes thing are not always what they seem!  ProSense   Nov-24-06 11:45 AM   #173 
  - That and 3.50 gets you a latte at Starbucks.  bigriver   Nov-24-06 11:32 AM   #172 
 

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