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Wed Nov-22-06 01:38 AM
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| 49. Folks, Folks, Folks.... |
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...I was only four, and don't remember the event itself.
But -
It always bothers me, this Messiah-grasping at the threads of renowned men's (or women's) done lives: men (or women) of greatness who would snicker at the retrospective pretensions surrounding their times, and what they did in them.
Yes, the assassination of John F. Kennedy was a horrible moment in American presidential history. But it was not the equivalent of the Visigoths charging over the last of the Seven Hills.
He served two years, ten months, and four days in that office - and he was a good, though not by any means great, president during that limited time. Perhaps had he lived he would've progressed to greatness - though his dedication to the Vietnam War (which his successor simply tried to emulate) would've no doubt made him radioactive around here in 2006 - had history turned out the same way, and again rendered "Vietnam" a defeat instead of a triumph in our memories. Similarly, his well-documented reluctance to engage the premiere domestic challenge of his times, Civil Rights, had he lived to finish out his two terms would cause many at the DU of 2006 to spew venom in his direction for the mere "sin" of such historical pauses in that period of 1961-1963, even though the cultural time & place that make those "pauses" understandable in retrospect are often shrilly ignored: we always love to judge the past by the present, after all, and inevitably we find it lacking.
Especially the most flame-throwing historically-ignorant in our ranks, of which there seems to be a small yet steady supply on constant loan from the Angry-R-Us part of the Web that constantly afflict sites across this vast thing we call the internet.
But he, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, would be the first to tell you, no doubt, the following: quit trying to fill up the void you feel about life in your times by fantasizing about mine - or me. I'm not a lost savior to be worshiped: live your lives, meet the challenges of your era as best you can with what you've got, and above all enjoy the time you have in this world. And while you're at it, let me rest in peace.
Anyone who has studied that extraordinary life in depth, as I have, knows that, while I am extrapolating on what he might say, I'm hitting it pretty close to the mark.
"Sad stories of the death of Kings" on this day are, no doubt, appropriate: fictional paeans to a messiah who never was would infuriate that departed "King" (President) more than anyone else, realist and real life person that he was.
Want to celebrate the life of President Kennedy today? To paraphrase H.L. Mencken: Wink your eye at some sinner, and drink a Heineken (his favorite beer); he never took himself 1/1000th as seriously as some folks who write - and post - about him do.
Seriously.
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| -November 22, 1963 |
bobthedrummer |
Nov-21-06 11:20 PM |
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I was in school-- my teacher was summoned from the room... |
mike_c |
Nov-21-06 11:23 PM |
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November 22, 1963... |
misternormal |
Nov-21-06 11:25 PM |
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It would be |
volstork |
Nov-21-06 11:26 PM |
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a day we'll all remember with great sadness |
Perragrande |
Nov-21-06 11:28 PM |
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I was 4 and had to spend the day on my dad's submarine, USS Sea Robin. |
MookieWilson |
Nov-21-06 11:29 PM |
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Any idea why you were on the submarine? |
hedgehog |
Nov-21-06 11:30 PM |
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Mom had to go to an event in honor of the Thresher families and I would have made trouble. |
MookieWilson |
Nov-22-06 08:56 AM |
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That looks like Groton ... the Thames River. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-21-06 11:46 PM |
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Yep, Rotten Groton. I live in Chevy Chase, but I'm still a Grubby Groton Girl. |
MookieWilson |
Nov-22-06 08:57 AM |
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My dad was in the U.S. Navy... |
Octafish |
Nov-21-06 11:32 PM |
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My friend was right when I asked him why he was crying. |
bobthedrummer |
Nov-21-06 11:47 PM |
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I was in the college newspaper room in college in Decorah IA |
Hardrada |
Nov-21-06 11:33 PM |
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I was home sick from school and my mother came upstairs to |
hedgehog |
Nov-21-06 11:34 PM |
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I was on leave after returning from overseas deployment. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-21-06 11:34 PM |
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I think a lot of people just felt violated. Kind of like Sept. 11th. |
MookieWilson |
Nov-22-06 09:01 AM |
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I was 4 months old |
htuttle |
Nov-21-06 11:34 PM |
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It was my second birthday |
kedrys |
Nov-21-06 11:42 PM |
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I was 10 months old, I remember nothing. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-22-06 02:47 PM |
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I was home from school with a bug |
Steve_DeShazer |
Nov-21-06 11:34 PM |
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I think my mother was ironing , too |
hedgehog |
Nov-21-06 11:49 PM |
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I remember that |
Lugnut |
Nov-22-06 12:52 AM |
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i was living in yokota, japan |
shanti |
Nov-21-06 11:35 PM |
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I was at home with my 5 week old son |
datadiva |
Nov-21-06 11:38 PM |
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I was in 3rd grade |
realpolitik |
Nov-21-06 11:42 PM |
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I was attending Spring Hill College in Mobile, Alabama ... went to the ROTC building |
TahitiNut |
Nov-21-06 11:43 PM |
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"They killed President Kennedy in Dallas." the exact words |
bobthedrummer |
Nov-22-06 12:43 AM |
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I was in second grade and at recess. The nuns started crying |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-21-06 11:43 PM |
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I was born a few days before that. I remember seeing it on TV and thinking... |
yurbud |
Nov-21-06 11:44 PM |
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Kindergarten.... My teacher came in and told us... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-21-06 11:45 PM |
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Just to give you guys an idea of age variance at DU, my parents weren't even born yet. |
queenbdem87 |
Nov-21-06 11:45 PM |
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Has it really been 43 years? Good lord. I was at my part time job |
karlrschneider |
Nov-21-06 11:47 PM |
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It's so odd to realize how much time has passed and to |
hedgehog |
Nov-21-06 11:55 PM |
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I was 8 years old, in the thrid grade in Washington state. |
SeattleGirl |
Nov-21-06 11:55 PM |
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I would turn 8 the next month. And you're right about those days. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-22-06 12:04 AM |
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That's exactly how it was. |
SeattleGirl |
Nov-22-06 12:23 AM |
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I was in college |
JDPriestly |
Nov-22-06 12:09 AM |
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That's how I feel too, JD. |
SeattleGirl |
Nov-22-06 12:25 AM |
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Our Women's Traveling Bowling League |
Bitwit1234 |
Nov-22-06 12:09 AM |
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I was in Philadelphia, PA.... |
ancient_nomad |
Nov-22-06 12:18 AM |
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A beautiful, crisp autumn day... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-22-06 12:39 AM |
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When Caroline was interviewed just a few years after |
truedelphi |
Nov-22-06 01:00 AM |
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I was a highschool freshman |
Greybnk48 |
Nov-22-06 12:41 AM |
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Fourth Grade Class |
rwenos |
Nov-22-06 12:45 AM |
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everyone except GHWB, who says he can not remember where he was or what |
kath |
Nov-22-06 11:57 PM |
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A Photo Memorial... |
rsmith6621 |
Nov-22-06 12:45 AM |
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. |
bobthedrummer |
Nov-22-06 12:47 AM |
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I was 18 years old |
Lugnut |
Nov-22-06 12:49 AM |
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I was a senior in high school, and was between classes . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Nov-22-06 12:50 AM |
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I was in high school in Dallas. |
mykpart |
Nov-22-06 12:51 AM |
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Unlike GHWB |
subliminable |
Nov-22-06 08:42 AM |
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Nodding off during a dull lecture... |
jaysunb |
Nov-22-06 01:29 AM |
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I heard my Mom yell, NOOOOOOOOOO |
FogerRox |
Nov-22-06 01:31 AM |
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I had just turned 10 years old . |
texanwitch |
Nov-22-06 01:34 AM |
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My principal announced it over the loud speaker |
tritsofme |
Nov-22-06 01:36 AM |
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Folks, Folks, Folks.... |
T Town Jake |
Nov-22-06 01:38 AM |
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I guess you had to be there. The entire faculty at my school |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-22-06 01:52 AM |
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With all due respect... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-22-06 02:01 AM |
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Precisely. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-22-06 11:27 PM |
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This is not canonizing a man |
Oeditpus Rex |
Nov-22-06 03:01 AM |
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Yes, the remembrance about Nov. 22 goes beyond |
LeahD |
Nov-22-06 03:53 AM |
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Well said. |
greatauntoftriplets |
Nov-22-06 03:30 PM |
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You misunderstand. |
puebloknot |
Nov-22-06 03:11 AM |
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You say you study history... but it appears you fail to learn from it... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-22-06 05:11 AM |
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Wow |
livetohike |
Nov-22-06 08:37 AM |
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Here's a thread from a year ago started by another DUer |
bobthedrummer |
Nov-22-06 11:21 AM |
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Thanks, all, for your replies - I appreciate each of you taking the time... |
T Town Jake |
Nov-22-06 11:45 AM |
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what makes this date so resonant |
thingfisher |
Nov-22-06 06:50 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-22-06 01:05 PM |
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Nice ad hominem to start off that cornucopia of logical fallacies... |
T Town Jake |
Nov-22-06 01:39 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-22-06 02:04 PM |
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I don't know what you studied, but you got a lot wrong |
DemonFighterLives |
Nov-22-06 02:18 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-22-06 02:43 PM |
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I am SO with you |
boolean |
Nov-22-06 03:10 PM |
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good idea |
JVS |
Nov-22-06 03:12 PM |
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It wasn't the man. It was the assassination and the fact that |
JDPriestly |
Nov-22-06 11:22 PM |
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Well, I've been validated, proven right, & etc. ... |
T Town Jake |
Nov-22-06 11:36 PM |
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T.T.J. |
dweller |
Nov-23-06 01:25 AM |
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In the library at my elementary school |
LearnedHand |
Nov-22-06 01:40 AM |
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I saw it on a television screen in a TV store on my way home from school |
Husb2Sparkly |
Nov-22-06 01:42 AM |
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I wasn't old enough to remember it. I remember Bobby. |
Gwerlain |
Nov-22-06 02:05 AM |
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I was working at White Sands Missile Range, in New Mexico. |
puebloknot |
Nov-22-06 02:29 AM |
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I was in my sixth grade class... |
8_year_nightmare |
Nov-22-06 02:42 AM |
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I was in 8th grade in Oklahoma |
solara |
Nov-22-06 02:58 AM |
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I'm told that I ran out of the house screaming "They killed President Kennedy!!" |
WritersBlock |
Nov-22-06 03:19 AM |
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I forgot to mention above that it was my birthday that Friday |
Hardrada |
Nov-22-06 03:36 AM |
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I was 16 and hurrying to morning Chemistry class; overheard someone say JFK was shot |
Hekate |
Nov-22-06 03:38 AM |
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I was a H.S. Senior |
lamp_shade |
Nov-22-06 03:51 AM |
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Just out of high school working my first job |
POAS |
Nov-22-06 04:01 AM |
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Sister Mary Esther came to our classroom |
SheWhoMustBeObeyed |
Nov-22-06 04:20 AM |
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Brooklyn, NY...gorgeous, sunny November day... 5 days after my 12th birthday & sister's wedding. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Nov-22-06 04:26 AM |
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2nd Grade - Killeen, Tx |
sazemisery |
Nov-22-06 05:46 AM |
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I was a kid in school. |
H2O Man |
Nov-22-06 06:02 AM |
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My mom was 5 & my dad was in 2nd grade |
wicket |
Nov-22-06 06:06 AM |
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Only the overall emotion of the day. |
SalmonChantedEvening |
Nov-22-06 06:12 AM |
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3rd Grade - Decatur School - Chicago |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-22-06 06:30 AM |
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I was being very good |
blogslut |
Nov-22-06 06:37 AM |
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I was in 7th grade in our local parochial school. |
peacefreak |
Nov-22-06 06:48 AM |
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Also on November 22nd, 1963, |
Bassic |
Nov-22-06 06:58 AM |
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I thought it was C.S. Lewis who died that day |
long_green |
Nov-22-06 02:38 PM |
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Him too apparently. |
Bassic |
Nov-22-06 03:28 PM |
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I was two years, two months, and four days old. |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-22-06 07:01 AM |
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Sweeping the floor of our little apartment |
watrwefitinfor |
Nov-22-06 07:02 AM |
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High School |
itsjustme |
Nov-22-06 08:17 AM |
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I was in high school... |
Hepburn |
Nov-22-06 08:22 AM |
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I was 8 and we got sent home from school |
mandyky |
Nov-22-06 08:31 AM |
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I was 8 too, and I was sent home too |
alyce douglas |
Nov-22-06 09:12 PM |
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It's one of the few days from my youth I remember vividly |
AbbyR |
Nov-22-06 10:08 AM |
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Just shy of 5 years old, in the living room with my mom |
slackmaster |
Nov-22-06 10:11 AM |
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I wasn't born yet. |
OhioChick |
Nov-22-06 10:13 AM |
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I was in 7th grade class |
Jawja |
Nov-22-06 10:13 AM |
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Was 15 in band practice when someone came in to tell the |
Fla Dem |
Nov-22-06 10:16 AM |
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I was in class, |
seasonedblue |
Nov-22-06 10:21 AM |
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"Ask not what your country can do for you.... |
Dulcinea |
Nov-22-06 10:24 AM |
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Just finished taking a quiz in seventh grade science. We were grading the |
yellowcanine |
Nov-22-06 10:26 AM |
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I was in the 6th grade. We were off that day because |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-22-06 10:27 AM |
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A worthy read: |
CrispyQGirl |
Nov-22-06 11:23 AM |
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What a find CrispyQGirl, thanks for sharing it. n/t |
bobthedrummer |
Nov-22-06 11:33 AM |
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Friday Afternoon, November 22, 1963 |
Penndems |
Nov-22-06 11:31 AM |
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Miss Plummer's 2nd grade classroom. Salem NH. |
maveric |
Nov-22-06 11:42 AM |
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K&R, President Kennedy's murder was the coup that started today's regime |
bobbie |
Nov-22-06 11:43 AM |
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I was in 9th grade science class. |
Vinca |
Nov-22-06 12:16 PM |
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Fifth Grade at a Quaker School... |
PCIntern |
Nov-22-06 12:29 PM |
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I was in study hall |
brazenlyliberal |
Nov-22-06 12:47 PM |
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I was 22 days old and in an orphanage. But... |
ourbluenation |
Nov-22-06 02:42 PM |
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I was still in utero... |
drmom |
Nov-22-06 02:54 PM |
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A new video on the assassination |
Pat Speer |
Nov-22-06 03:43 PM |
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I was a freshman in high school. |
greatauntoftriplets |
Nov-22-06 03:40 PM |
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I had gone home for lunch |
conning |
Nov-22-06 04:06 PM |
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I was three years old.. Strangely, I remember it, sort of. |
byronius |
Nov-22-06 04:14 PM |
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My high school played its football game anyway. After all, this was Texas. |
Ron_Green |
Nov-22-06 05:03 PM |
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November 22, 1963 |
kaygore |
Nov-22-06 05:50 PM |
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High School History Class, Wheaton, Maryland. |
ThomWV |
Nov-22-06 05:56 PM |
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I was a grade school cheerleader....... |
paganlib |
Nov-22-06 06:34 PM |
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I remember the "generation gap" that was cited shortly after 11-22-63 |
bobthedrummer |
Nov-22-06 07:49 PM |
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Random comment: 11/22/63 was the end of the beginning |
dailykoff |
Nov-22-06 08:26 PM |
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I've always been fascinated with the case... |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Nov-22-06 08:32 PM |
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Don't forget Martin Luther King. |
WinstonSmith4740 |
Nov-23-06 12:17 AM |
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Kennedy's assassination was one of my first memories... |
Just-plain-Kathy |
Nov-22-06 10:17 PM |
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Biology class... |
WinstonSmith4740 |
Nov-23-06 12:11 AM |
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I was in the 7th grade... |
Contrary1 |
Nov-23-06 12:22 AM |
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i don't know why i read these threads, but i do read them |
dweller |
Nov-23-06 12:55 AM |
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November 22, 1990 |
G Hawes |
Nov-23-06 12:58 AM |
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Seventh grade |
Virginian |
Nov-23-06 12:58 AM |
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locking..... |
Moderator |
Nov-23-06 07:32 AM |
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