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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:22 PM
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46. True, and false. Gun safety classes save lives. Shooting guns in class is a bit much.
Firing those guns may be a little extreme, I'll grant you that. I don't agree with that at all.

But dismissing gun safety courses as dangerous, while done so with good intentions, makes as much sense as claiming that teaching sex ed leads to sex.

Apparently the author of the article thinks it's better that a child discovers a gun in the home, stored irresponsibly, and decides to take it upon himself to learn about handling a gun. Even if you don't have a gun in the house, your child's friend's parents might. And kids playing with guns don't always just hurt themselves. Assuming that every parent teaches their child gun safety is folly.
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  -Alaska school goes insane - teaches 6th graders to shoot guns donsu  Nov-21-06 11:49 AM   #0 
  - gun safety is responsible, think "abstinence vs sex ed"  melissinha   Nov-21-06 11:59 AM   #1 
  - like sex education in public schools is really working well  donsu   Nov-21-06 12:16 PM   #12 
  - Sex Ed in school is mostly abstinence now - so 'abstinence from  BR_Parkway   Nov-21-06 01:12 PM   #40 
     - Abstinence from Guns?  smirkymonkey   Nov-21-06 04:46 PM   #80 
        - Isn't that what the poster I responded to was advocating? No guns  BR_Parkway   Nov-22-06 07:41 AM   #137 
  - this is absolutely nothing like abstinence vs sex ed  ComerPerro   Nov-21-06 12:58 PM   #28 
  - I thought it was a good analogy.... n/t  PistolSteve   Nov-21-06 01:16 PM   #42 
     - Yes, I thought of the same analogy myself. n/t  I Have A Dream   Nov-22-06 10:03 AM   #143 
  - good analogy! nt  aikoaiko   Nov-22-06 07:57 AM   #138 
  - I think you need to see the context.  hedgehog   Nov-21-06 11:59 AM   #2 
  - you don't need a gun to be in the wilderness  donsu   Nov-21-06 12:18 PM   #13 
     - That may be, but it is clear that these kids are around guns a lot.  hedgehog   Nov-21-06 12:22 PM   #15 
     - ROFL  Mythsaje   Nov-21-06 12:44 PM   #25 
     - I've camped in the wilderness (bears, snakes) and none of us  donsu   Nov-21-06 01:15 PM   #41 
     - You were lucky...  Mythsaje   Nov-21-06 01:25 PM   #51 
     - If your child or relative lived around guns, would you want them to learn safety?  uppityperson   Nov-21-06 11:06 PM   #112 
     - Not in Alaska  michreject   Nov-21-06 07:03 PM   #104 
        - I wasn't aware of that...  Mythsaje   Nov-22-06 01:26 AM   #122 
           - Most do, some don't. Read "Alaskan Bear Tales" for more  uppityperson   Nov-22-06 01:33 AM   #123 
              - I would suggest a minimum of .375 H&H  michreject   Nov-22-06 10:23 AM   #147 
     - You do too if there are bears around  AngryAmish   Nov-21-06 01:17 PM   #44 
     - LOL...  Mythsaje   Nov-21-06 01:26 PM   #52 
     - how much continuous time have you spent in the wilderness...  Jeffersons Ghost   Nov-22-06 10:06 AM   #144 
  - Nonsense  Mythsaje   Nov-21-06 11:59 AM   #3 
  - please explain what makes Alaska different then any other place  donsu   Nov-21-06 12:20 PM   #14 
  - Please, there must be an Alaskan here that can answer with authority!  hedgehog   Nov-21-06 12:26 PM   # 
  - I did...  Mythsaje   Nov-21-06 12:37 PM   #22 
  - This is one  michreject   Nov-21-06 12:44 PM   #23 
  - I took a gun class a few years ago.  CrispyQGirl   Nov-21-06 05:32 PM   #91 
  - Nothing. Which is why this would be a good idea everywhere.  ieoeja   Nov-21-06 12:58 PM   #29 
  - Bingo :)  spoony   Nov-21-06 01:06 PM   #34 
  - I disagree - Alaska is different  PistolSteve   Nov-21-06 01:11 PM   #39 
  - My Grandfather signed the Alaskan Consitution...  PistolSteve   Nov-21-06 01:09 PM   #36 
  - Again, how is this different from most of the rest of the country?  ieoeja   Nov-21-06 01:30 PM   #54 
  - Of course  Mythsaje   Nov-21-06 01:34 PM   #56 
  - PistolSteve, a big thank you to your grandfather....  Blue_In_AK   Nov-22-06 12:28 AM   #118 
  - They haven't reintroduced bears and wolves  Mugu   Nov-21-06 03:26 PM   #66 
  - Well, the wolf thing is probably more  Mythsaje   Nov-21-06 03:29 PM   #67 
  - I don't think they are that different. more kids in the lower 48 should be taught gun safety  aikoaiko   Nov-22-06 08:04 AM   #139 
  - This.  TX-RAT   Nov-22-06 11:20 AM   #151 
  - That's simply not true.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-21-06 05:54 PM   #93 
  - Learning safety of any dangerous thing is a good, responsible thing.  uppityperson   Nov-21-06 11:03 PM   #111 
  - I got to use them at camp when I was in 6th grade  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 12:25 AM   #117 
  - Yes, yes...  Mythsaje   Nov-22-06 01:53 AM   #125 
  - snakes should rarely be killed and in a pinch are quite tasty i hear  Jeffersons Ghost   Nov-22-06 10:14 AM   #145 
  - Makes sense to me.  Fierce   Nov-21-06 12:00 PM   #4 
  - Can't say I agree.  cali   Nov-21-06 12:03 PM   #5 
  - Sorry, don't see what the hysteria's about  distantearlywarning   Nov-21-06 12:03 PM   #6 
  - I agree... n/t  phusion   Nov-21-06 12:07 PM   #9 
  - Don't see anything "insane" about it: seems like common sense to me.  T Town Jake   Nov-21-06 12:05 PM   #7 
  - 6th grade was the usual age to take a firearms safety course back home...  dicksteele   Nov-21-06 12:06 PM   #8 
  - Right, in the 6th grade I brought my Pa's gun in for "Show-n-Tell"  Nabia2004   Nov-21-06 03:42 PM   #71 
  - I think that was awful and the teacher and principal should have sent  donsu   Nov-22-06 11:10 AM   #148 
     - I think you are judging people and situations you know little about, based on your experiences.nt  uppityperson   Nov-22-06 07:20 PM   #158 
  - YOU GO DICK... YOUR POST SAYS IT ALL! CHECK HIM OUT FOLKS  Jeffersons Ghost   Nov-22-06 10:19 AM   #146 
  - Not sure about your comments.  madinmaryland   Nov-21-06 12:11 PM   #10 
  - There are two types of people who look at this argument:  PistolSteve   Nov-21-06 12:12 PM   #11 
  - I fired my first gun at age 10  Options Remain   Nov-21-06 12:26 PM   #17 
  - We had riflery at camp when I was 12 years old, and there were no incidents  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 12:29 AM   #119 
     - Great correlation!  Mythsaje   Nov-22-06 01:54 AM   #126 
        - UPJr wanted a gun, pleeeeze? Said no, finally bought a tiny bb gun  uppityperson   Nov-22-06 01:59 AM   #127 
           - Yeah... I was allowed to play with sticks  Mythsaje   Nov-22-06 02:01 AM   #129 
              - invisible guns almost drove me nuts  uppityperson   Nov-22-06 02:06 AM   #130 
                 - I usually made bzzzting noises...  Mythsaje   Nov-22-06 02:27 AM   #131 
  - Very true!  ieoeja   Nov-21-06 01:24 PM   #49 
  - I agree, was raised in ND and MN  recoveringrepublican   Nov-21-06 03:45 PM   #73 
  - I was on Amtrak going through CO right before hunting season  XOKCowboy   Nov-21-06 04:44 PM   #79 
  - Well this city person thinks that this class is a good idea  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 12:31 AM   #120 
  - Okay.  MamaBear   Nov-21-06 12:23 PM   #16 
  - Seems like a very level headed program..  ruiner4u   Nov-21-06 12:27 PM   #18 
  - Hell, I wish we had one of those courses where I'm at!  Fierce   Nov-21-06 12:28 PM   #19 
  - Guns are pretty important in Alaska.  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-21-06 12:29 PM   #20 
  - Sounds like a good idea  GDAEx2   Nov-21-06 12:33 PM   #21 
  - We had hunter safety courses offered to middle-schoolers  Sabriel   Nov-21-06 12:44 PM   #24 
  - Most high schools in Chicago had rifle teams in the 50s  AngryAmish   Nov-21-06 01:22 PM   #47 
     - Yep! My dad told me that in his high school in the early fifties in Kansas City...  T Town Jake   Nov-21-06 03:32 PM   #68 
        - Armory at U of I in the late 80s had a rifle range  AngryAmish   Nov-21-06 03:48 PM   #74 
        - That was before gang violence and Columbine style school shootings  pstokely   Nov-22-06 03:00 AM   #132 
           - Which is apropos of.....what, exactly?  T Town Jake   Nov-22-06 07:24 PM   #159 
  - I was taught gun safety and how to shoot at age 12.  Eugene   Nov-21-06 12:49 PM   #26 
  - I learned about guns when I was about that age.  Withywindle   Nov-21-06 12:55 PM   #27 
  - There had better be written parental approval before this "class"...  roamer65   Nov-21-06 12:59 PM   #30 
  - The GunGuys site is a propaganda engine  slackmaster   Nov-21-06 02:26 PM   #62 
  - they are not a 'propaganda engine' they tell and show the truth of  donsu   Nov-22-06 11:14 AM   #149 
  - There shouldn't be a parental "opt out" option for sex education,  bluedogyellowdog   Nov-21-06 05:03 PM   #86 
  - I don't see the problem with this.  Odin2005   Nov-21-06 12:59 PM   #31 
  - I first shot a gun at 12. Many people are killed by bears in Alaska.  patcox2   Nov-21-06 01:01 PM   #32 
  - "many" are killed by bears? how many?  donsu   Nov-21-06 01:17 PM   #43 
     - Here is some information  Dunedain   Nov-21-06 02:13 PM   #58 
  - Great idea!  Book Lover   Nov-21-06 01:03 PM   #33 
  - alot of Alaska is wilderness and kids hunt and gun safety is a good idea  WI_DEM   Nov-21-06 01:08 PM   #35 
  - I'm an Alaskan weighing in here...  Blue_In_AK   Nov-21-06 01:10 PM   #37 
  - What about the urban wilderness?  DemoDemoCratCrat   Nov-21-06 01:10 PM   #38 
  - I strongly support making gun safety training available to all kids  slackmaster   Nov-21-06 02:24 PM   #61 
  - I'm anti weapons in most situations,  Crim_n al   Nov-21-06 01:21 PM   #45 
  - "DU member goes insane; teaches children to use knives."  dicksteele   Nov-21-06 05:17 PM   #89 
  - True, and false. Gun safety classes save lives. Shooting guns in class is a bit much.  Hobarticus   Nov-21-06 01:22 PM   #46 
  - Ah, a crosspost from a ban-more-guns lobby website...  benEzra   Nov-21-06 01:22 PM   #48 
  - INSANE????  warrens   Nov-21-06 01:25 PM   #50 
  - A question for Donsu.  greyhound1966   Nov-21-06 01:29 PM   #53 
  - was born in Wash., D.C. have always been against guns, military, war  donsu   Nov-22-06 11:17 AM   #150 
  - Firearm safety was a required class in the 8th grade here/then.  greyhound1966   Nov-21-06 01:34 PM   #55 
  - This is insane. I thought schools were supposed to be gun free.  Xenotime   Nov-21-06 01:36 PM   #57 
  - "We"? "Types"???  slackmaster   Nov-21-06 02:19 PM   #60 
  - My stepfather taught me to respect and safely handle firearms at age 10  slackmaster   Nov-21-06 02:16 PM   #59 
  - I don't see how this is insane  Ariana Celeste   Nov-21-06 02:31 PM   #63 
  - It was a required class in 7th grade in Idaho, and I believe it still is  jmowreader   Nov-21-06 03:04 PM   #64 
  - I think it's a good idea too, especially since in rural Idaho you  Cleita   Nov-21-06 03:39 PM   #70 
     - I really think it does.  jmowreader   Nov-21-06 04:16 PM   #75 
        - Been over the grade in a travel trailer and it is treacherous.  Cleita   Nov-21-06 04:39 PM   #77 
           - There is a running joke in St. Maries...  jmowreader   Nov-21-06 04:58 PM   #84 
           - You should ride a motorcycle in ID, OR, WA....  XOKCowboy   Nov-21-06 04:59 PM   #85 
  - Why are you all complaining about this? I think it's a great idea!  napi21   Nov-21-06 03:10 PM   #65 
  - As someone who grew up in NYC, and  Book Lover   Nov-21-06 03:43 PM   #72 
  - In Alaska guns are a fashion accessory. Kids in the more remote  Cleita   Nov-21-06 03:36 PM   #69 
  - HOORAY for Tom Milliron! We need more like him  XOKCowboy   Nov-21-06 04:35 PM   #76 
  - If you believe that guns don't kill people  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-21-06 06:02 PM   #95 
     - Good to know your opinion is in the minority here, Donald  slackmaster   Nov-21-06 06:16 PM   #97 
     - Nor would I, alas.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-21-06 06:27 PM   #100 
        - I am not pro-gun  slackmaster   Nov-21-06 06:30 PM   #101 
     - Stuff and nonsense. HYSTERICAL much?  dicksteele   Nov-21-06 06:18 PM   #98 
     - Ah, but a person still pulled the trigger. The person (you) did it.  uppityperson   Nov-21-06 10:43 PM   #108 
     - Because abstinence worked so well for sex education  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 12:38 AM   #121 
     - Young people have bucket loads of hormones encouraging them to "have sex".  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-22-06 05:31 AM   #133 
        - Alright, you go ahead and change that cultural pressure  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 05:42 AM   #134 
     - Thank God  Mythsaje   Nov-22-06 01:59 AM   #128 
  - I LOVE this idea!  Alfalfa Wolf   Nov-21-06 04:42 PM   #78 
  - I don't see anything wrong with this; I learned to shoot when I was younger than that.  Spider Jerusalem   Nov-21-06 04:53 PM   #81 
  - me too  kineneb   Nov-22-06 11:26 AM   #154 
  - What's the problem with this?  bluedogyellowdog   Nov-21-06 04:54 PM   #82 
  - SexEd is one thing, for schools must find ways to educate pregnant girls  WinkyDink   Nov-21-06 04:55 PM   #83 
  - I'd hope that the sex ed class  scrinmaster   Nov-21-06 05:49 PM   #92 
  - Guns are an environmental hazard for American children  slackmaster   Nov-21-06 06:18 PM   #99 
  - I think it is an excellent idea. I got my first gun for my 9th birthday  karlrschneider   Nov-21-06 05:10 PM   #87 
  - Did he do this?  madmusic   Nov-21-06 05:13 PM   #88 
  - LOL Oh the irony! The DEA should know better  XOKCowboy   Nov-21-06 05:28 PM   #90 
  - Too, too, funny! Was he bleeding on the floor?  madmusic   Nov-21-06 10:18 PM   #105 
  - almost as bad as the ATF tackling christian ninjas in GA  piedmont   Nov-22-06 12:05 AM   #113 
  - I remember that.  madmusic   Nov-22-06 01:49 AM   #124 
  - Hey, nobody messes with Ninjas! Ninjas are totally awesome and flip out and kill people.  Minnesota_Lib   Nov-22-06 07:46 PM   #161 
  - LMFAO... that is hilarious  walldude   Nov-22-06 12:23 AM   #115 
  - "I'm the only one in this room professional enough..."  benEzra   Nov-22-06 07:33 AM   #136 
  - The best part is that he wanted another gun  spoony   Nov-22-06 08:19 AM   #141 
  - Learning is good.  MUSTANG_2004   Nov-21-06 06:00 PM   #94 
  - At least half of my 6th graders take a  LWolf   Nov-21-06 06:10 PM   #96 
  - I took a gun safety class when I was about 10  geniph   Nov-21-06 06:48 PM   #102 
  - I remember training for marksman  slaveplanet   Nov-21-06 06:56 PM   #103 
  - Sounds about the age I learned to shoot  RGBolen   Nov-21-06 10:22 PM   #106 
  - Actually I See No Problem With This Whatsoever.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-21-06 10:24 PM   #107 
  - Sounds like a good idea to me  Redneck Socialist   Nov-21-06 10:55 PM   #109 
  - Students have access to guns, teaching them safety is good. Former AK resident here  uppityperson   Nov-21-06 10:55 PM   #110 
  - Sounds great. Practical, useful knowledge that may prevent injuries.  piedmont   Nov-22-06 12:14 AM   #114 
  - I shot guns at camp when I was 12 years old, riflery was an activity, and I'm 19  Hippo_Tron   Nov-22-06 12:24 AM   #116 
  - ZOMG! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!1!!1  REP   Nov-22-06 07:31 AM   #135 
  - I just noticed that this was snipped from the "gunguys" == they are anti-intellectual freaks.  aikoaiko   Nov-22-06 08:07 AM   #140 
  - LOL what a silly thing to say  donsu   Nov-22-06 11:22 AM   #152 
  - dad first began teaching me gun safety at that age... let's get rid of some more rights...  Jeffersons Ghost   Nov-22-06 09:59 AM   #142 
  - I was doing target shooting when I was 10.  Javaman   Nov-22-06 11:24 AM   #153 
  - guyguys = gun control AstroTurf organization  davepc   Nov-22-06 11:40 AM   #155 
  - Not insane at all. My school had an NRA rifle club.  Katzenjammer   Nov-22-06 11:46 AM   #156 
  - So? A lot of schools used to have shooting teams.  JHB   Nov-22-06 11:49 AM   #157 
  - All you folks should have seen the FITS pitched  northofdenali   Nov-22-06 07:33 PM   #160 
     - UPjr, 2 1/2, standing on a box with a stick (in AK)  uppityperson   Nov-22-06 08:46 PM   #162 

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