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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:17 AM
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57. You left out a critical word that changes everything in your post:
Is governing harder? Absolutely.

Why? Because you have to compromise, which requires strategic thinking. You have to outflank those who would stop even the most minimal reform, which requires strategic thinking. You have to sell your policy ideas to the American people, which requires strategic thinking.

No, that's not correct. It's not just that we have to compromise. Any FOOL can do that, and we see examples of BAD compromises all over Washington and all over the history of politics.

No the real challenge is the fact that you have to compromise CORRECTLY, without sacrificing core non-negotiable moral imperatives along the way.

Not everything is up for sale. Some compromises can be made. Others absolutely can not be made. There must be freedom in the non-essentials for sure, but there must also be AGREEMENT in the essentials of what it means to be a democrat and part of the democratic party and to govern from a democratic majority. And if you don't think you have a clear idea about what these essentials of the democratic party are, then THAT is part of the problem.

If we don't AGREE in essentials as a party, then we are NOT a party. We're just a collection of fools who randomly agree with each other and randomly don't.
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  -Are DU activists becoming strategists? WilliamPitt  Nov-21-06 08:28 AM   #0 
  - I often wonder when Democrats  Fierce   Nov-21-06 08:32 AM   #1 
  - And when they decided to start giving in to RW lies instead of fighting them.  blm   Nov-21-06 08:36 AM   #3 
  - I've taken a lot of bashing at my blog--because I've had to 'nail'  nolies32fouettes   Nov-21-06 08:36 AM   #2 
  - For me it's simple,  mmonk   Nov-21-06 08:50 AM   #4 
  - The Dem 'strategists' were all surprised that CORRUPTION topped the exit polls  blm   Nov-21-06 09:00 AM   #5 
  - Really? Which Dem Strategists were surprised?  mondo joe   Nov-21-06 09:03 AM   #6 
     - CNN election night, both Carville and Begala were surprised it was a major issue.  blm   Nov-21-06 09:05 AM   #8 
        - Oh, those has beens.  mondo joe   Nov-21-06 09:07 AM   #9 
        - They still are - and current pundits had also been pushing religious values talk and  blm   Nov-21-06 09:10 AM   #11 
           - They're pundits. Not strategists.  mondo joe   Nov-21-06 09:14 AM   #13 
              - The name strategists are still an influence in the overall party and ignored corruption  blm   Nov-21-06 09:31 AM   #20 
              - I can name strategists who didn't ignore corruption as an issue.  mondo joe   Nov-21-06 09:35 AM   #24 
                 - I'm talking about PAID strategists and pundits.  blm   Nov-21-06 09:47 AM   #31 
                    - Oh PAID. I guess the winners this year didn't use paid strategists.  mondo joe   Nov-21-06 10:27 AM   #46 
                    - You know the difference between the strategists surprised that corruption was an issue  blm   Nov-21-06 11:31 AM   #59 
                       - I think the point ...  RoyGBiv   Nov-21-06 11:37 AM   #60 
                          - Thank you Roy - well said!  mondo joe   Nov-21-06 12:14 PM   #63 
                    - blm, I think the term you are looking for is "consultants", like Carville.  w4rma   Nov-21-06 01:49 PM   #68 
              - Carville, Begala and Shrum....are hired "strategists."  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 09:34 AM   #22 
              - No. C&B used to be strategists. Now they're pundits.  mondo joe   Nov-21-06 09:34 AM   #23 
                 - Their Consulting Firm is still in Business .....they are Paid Strategists who  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 09:41 AM   #28 
                    - More on Greenberg, Carville, Shrum Political Consulting Firm....  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 09:48 AM   #32 
                       - So tell us what actual campaigns Carville & Begala worked on this past election  cryingshame   Nov-21-06 10:01 AM   #36 
                          - What I replied to was whether they are "Pundits" or "Consultants for  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 10:14 AM   #39 
              - Very Well Stated  G_Leo_Criley   Nov-21-06 10:23 AM   #44 
        - "Anti-gun-control" was in part WHY other issues could rise to the top...  benEzra   Nov-21-06 01:36 PM   #65 
  - Another driving analogy....  antigop   Nov-21-06 09:04 AM   #7 
  - There are DU Activists who are involved in the Party, DU talkers who  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 09:09 AM   #10 
  - I just want specifics  sui generis   Nov-21-06 09:16 AM   #14 
     - When a Dem Dictator takes power....then maybe we can discuss what  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 09:21 AM   #15 
        - did you read anything else I said?  sui generis   Nov-21-06 09:24 AM   #18 
           - Yes, I did read what you said. No, I didn't accuse you of being a troll, and  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 09:30 AM   #19 
              - you are way off on straw men now.  sui generis   Nov-21-06 09:31 AM   #21 
                 - Your comments stand on their own.....even when you edit them. n./t  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 09:37 AM   #25 
                    - I apologize for my warlike rhetoric  sui generis   Nov-21-06 09:39 AM   #26 
                       - Google DLC ......n/t  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 09:49 AM   #33 
                          - well, it was brought up here, not on google  sui generis   Nov-21-06 09:58 AM   #35 
                             - I'd be interested in seeing such a list as well...  Prag   Nov-21-06 10:17 AM   #40 
                             - Here are some examples of capitiulation  Armstead   Nov-21-06 10:18 AM   #41 
                             - Perhaps if you could do a separate post asking what would be on  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 10:19 AM   #42 
                                - sui generis, what Armstead mentions would be a start for  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 10:39 AM   #48 
                                   - I would love to!  sui generis   Nov-21-06 11:14 AM   #56 
  - some things can wait out another year of posturing and bickering on all sides  bigtree   Nov-21-06 09:13 AM   #12 
  - I bloody well hope so, too  Lilith Velkor   Nov-21-06 09:22 AM   #16 
  - There's a difference between strategy and rationalization  Armstead   Nov-21-06 09:23 AM   #17 
  - "Check my gray hair. Hell, check yours."  Prag   Nov-21-06 09:39 AM   #27 
  - leadership also requires followers  sui generis   Nov-21-06 09:47 AM   #30 
     - You'll make a great leader sui generis!  Prag   Nov-21-06 09:57 AM   #34 
  - Perhaps a test is in order.  Opposite Reaction   Nov-21-06 09:46 AM   #29 
  - Strategy is a means to an end  rustydad   Nov-21-06 10:07 AM   #37 
  - I don't care if we become strategists. I just don't think it will work!  Joanne98   Nov-21-06 10:13 AM   #38 
  - Keep in mind the groups driving media discussions...  Prag   Nov-21-06 10:21 AM   #43 
     - That's why they are called the "commercial media".....  Joanne98   Nov-21-06 10:31 AM   #47 
        - Such a problem...  Prag   Nov-21-06 10:41 AM   #51 
           - They have taken "distraction techniques" to a new level...  Joanne98   Nov-21-06 10:48 AM   #53 
  - I hope so, too.  greyl   Nov-21-06 10:26 AM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-21-06 10:40 AM   #49 
  - If "cut off your nose to spite your face" is a strategy.  patcox2   Nov-21-06 10:40 AM   #50 
  - DU is a place where we discuss, and hopefully learn, modify, and grow  sui generis   Nov-21-06 11:06 AM   #55 
     - Good post.  patcox2   Nov-21-06 11:26 AM   #58 
  - Am I shocked at this post?  DancingBear   Nov-21-06 10:46 AM   #52 
  - Understand your point....but Internet is taking us new places...  KoKo01   Nov-21-06 10:57 AM   #54 
  - Hm  WilliamPitt   Nov-21-06 11:43 AM   #61 
  - would you settle for a partial withdrawal leading to total withdrawal from Iraq?  bigtree   Nov-21-06 01:44 PM   #67 
  - You left out a critical word that changes everything in your post:  Exiled in America   Nov-21-06 11:17 AM   #57 
  - You are correct  WilliamPitt   Nov-21-06 11:44 AM   #62 
  - Well said.  ClassWarrior   Nov-21-06 04:39 PM   #71 
  - I totally agree!  drm604   Nov-21-06 01:28 PM   #64 
  - Agreed...totally...100%. Heart + Strategy=winning. Heart - Strategy=2001 thru 2006  Minnesota_Lib   Nov-21-06 01:41 PM   #66 
  - I'd hope so, if we want to actually get any legislation passed.  Tatiana   Nov-21-06 01:51 PM   #69 
  - My response: I f*cking well hope NOT.  Senator   Nov-21-06 04:28 PM   #70 
  - we all became strategists in January '93.  ulysses   Nov-21-06 05:07 PM   #72 
  - Here here.  NobleCynic   Nov-22-06 08:41 AM   #73 

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