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| 38. Wes can't lose something he never had. |
| -Wesley Clark just lost me as a potential supporter |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:18 PM |
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Fasten seat belts |
wtmusic |
Nov-20-06 05:20 PM |
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gimme summadat popcorn, willya? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:45 PM |
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Well considering the title of your thread.....I would think that popcorn |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 06:43 PM |
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Bookmarking |
Bucky |
Nov-21-06 06:13 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-20-06 05:20 PM |
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now there's an enlightened retort |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:21 PM |
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yeah, what he said! |
evilgenius602 |
Nov-20-06 06:15 PM |
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listen, pal |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 07:07 PM |
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Well, hold it down damnit... |
BushDespiser12 |
Nov-20-06 08:11 PM |
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Last time I got a response like that |
wtmusic |
Nov-20-06 05:26 PM |
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Could you find that thread? You have a star....just do an advance |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 06:47 PM |
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Hmmmm. He Just Gained My Support With Those Comments. He's Obviously Quite Smart. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-20-06 05:21 PM |
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why? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:32 PM |
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"Why? He thinks we need to pursue a diplomatic solution in Iraq" |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-20-06 05:35 PM |
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what would constitute a "diplomatic solution"? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:49 PM |
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Or the Turks and the Armenians. |
Hardrada |
Nov-20-06 06:04 PM |
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I've said since before Baghdad fell |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 06:07 PM |
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A diplomatic solution--Get the various parties to the table to agree |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 06:34 PM |
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and we get l'il george and Condi to engage in this process, how? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 07:09 PM |
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Oh I see...... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 07:46 PM |
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I never said he should shut up. |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 09:18 PM |
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So who would you support? Who said that we should be out of |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 09:56 PM |
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a "diplomatic solution" to what end...? |
mike_c |
Nov-20-06 05:55 PM |
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Lack Of A Civil War For Starters. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-20-06 06:02 PM |
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do you honestly think that is possible...? |
mike_c |
Nov-20-06 06:16 PM |
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so we need to keep US soldiers on the ground in Iraq |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 06:23 PM |
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There are many regions of the world where deep hatred simmers... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-20-06 08:37 PM |
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we would want a "stable" Iraq to the extent that it can function on its own |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 06:39 PM |
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but I'll say again that Iraq was all that and more prior to March 2003.... |
mike_c |
Nov-20-06 06:44 PM |
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A Diplomatic solution can be worked on with the removal of Occupation forces |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 06:56 PM |
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do we have leverage now? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 07:06 PM |
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You are misunderstanding the leverage I am speaking of... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 07:41 PM |
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whom do we negotiate this settlement with...? |
mike_c |
Nov-20-06 07:07 PM |
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There hasn't been a civil war in Iraq for the last 800 years |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Nov-20-06 07:12 PM |
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Agree except for the notion that we have been seeking diplomatic-- |
eridani |
Nov-20-06 11:43 PM |
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I'd argue, but there's really not much point |
kiahzero |
Nov-20-06 05:22 PM |
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yeah, cuz "strategy" is only good when it involves drafting people |
The Count |
Nov-20-06 05:22 PM |
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his response when Ed asked him about the draft |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:29 PM |
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Consider that he did not enorse the vote to go to war in the first place. |
Gregorian |
Nov-20-06 05:25 PM |
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I don't hate everything he stands for or anything |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:35 PM |
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I'm not sure about that. |
jobycom |
Nov-20-06 11:33 PM |
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Whatever. |
MrSlayer |
Nov-20-06 05:28 PM |
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you have no intellectual involvement in your politics then |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:34 PM |
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No, I happen to think he knows a great deal more about the situation than you. |
MrSlayer |
Nov-20-06 06:20 PM |
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so you agree with what he said today? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 06:27 PM |
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Why do you think it is impossible to negotiate a peace using our troops |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 07:00 PM |
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But see, I very much doubt he said exactly that today |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-20-06 08:42 PM |
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Unfortunately, he's probably right. |
MrSlayer |
Nov-20-06 08:55 PM |
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ok, so we LOVED Charlie Rangel last week, but hate him now.... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-20-06 05:30 PM |
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That's the problem with idiot mobs - they're fickle. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-20-06 05:35 PM |
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"idiot mobs"? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:39 PM |
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Rangel-haters. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-20-06 05:42 PM |
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I love Rangel - but he was batshit crazy with the draft. I like Clark too. |
The Count |
Nov-20-06 05:50 PM |
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Right where I said, as far as I'm concerned - naturally, opinions may differ. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-20-06 05:53 PM |
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I don't hate Clark |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:38 PM |
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It just seems that we have a hard time sticking with DEMS |
hlthe2b |
Nov-20-06 05:47 PM |
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this is no "major pile on" |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:52 PM |
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I don't think you are piling on or in any way trying to be unfair |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-20-06 08:44 PM |
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Yawp. Hope you packed you seasick meds. That's the way |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-20-06 06:14 PM |
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I'm not sure the fickleness you percieve is accurate. |
Bucky |
Nov-21-06 06:21 AM |
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Actually, Bucky... having been around since 2/01, I can assure you |
hlthe2b |
Nov-21-06 06:43 AM |
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'the big picture in the Middle East is absurdly flawed ' |
bowens43 |
Nov-20-06 05:34 PM |
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"Military solutions to political problems"?Clark????????? |
The Count |
Nov-20-06 05:36 PM |
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I found his notion of this "magical" political solution that would |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 05:44 PM |
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Did he say "magical" or you derride all notion of diplomacy? |
The Count |
Nov-20-06 05:53 PM |
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"magical" is my word. |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 06:05 PM |
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See #66. A transcript, rather than someone's impressions of what he said |
The Count |
Nov-20-06 07:35 PM |
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Again, we need to look at the transcript. I know Clark pretty well |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-20-06 08:47 PM |
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my feelings exactly.... |
mike_c |
Nov-20-06 05:54 PM |
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That is a cardboard two dimension distorted caricature of a generic military man |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-20-06 08:51 PM |
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Dwight D. Eisenhower was actually a good President. |
William769 |
Nov-20-06 06:00 PM |
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I disagree-- but I think we've discussed this at length before.... |
mike_c |
Nov-20-06 06:21 PM |
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Before Eisenhower became president he participated in a coast-to-coast |
PeaceProgProsp |
Nov-20-06 06:45 PM |
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I can't agree with your assessment ... |
Martin Eden |
Nov-20-06 06:15 PM |
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then why doesn't Clark seem capable of recognizing... |
mike_c |
Nov-20-06 06:50 PM |
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a SOLUTION is merely the option you choose |
Martin Eden |
Nov-20-06 07:59 PM |
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See my post #95 above |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-20-06 09:02 PM |
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Right now Wesley Clark is on my short list for President. |
William769 |
Nov-20-06 05:57 PM |
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The short man is at the top of my short list for Prez. too. nt |
MookieWilson |
Nov-20-06 06:00 PM |
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Wes can't lose something he never had. |
TwilightZone |
Nov-20-06 06:05 PM |
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Is there a transcript of this somewhere? |
janx |
Nov-20-06 06:38 PM |
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janx.... |
CarolNYC |
Nov-20-06 07:33 PM |
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Thanks. |
janx |
Nov-20-06 07:39 PM |
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yep.... |
CarolNYC |
Nov-20-06 07:59 PM |
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I worry about that too, but it's happening now. |
janx |
Nov-20-06 08:11 PM |
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You're right, it's a mess. |
CarolNYC |
Nov-20-06 08:18 PM |
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It's also a different region and culture, with a different history. |
janx |
Nov-20-06 08:32 PM |
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No doubt he is fully aware of that... |
CarolNYC |
Nov-20-06 08:40 PM |
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I'm not comparing Clark to Condi Rice. |
janx |
Nov-20-06 08:45 PM |
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Cool.... |
CarolNYC |
Nov-20-06 08:47 PM |
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Yes. Clark is a general. |
janx |
Nov-20-06 08:57 PM |
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it's already happening |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 09:20 PM |
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"over time" |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 07:48 PM |
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Iran... |
CarolNYC |
Nov-20-06 08:06 PM |
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Also, from WesPac |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-20-06 08:21 PM |
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How many more will die in the meantime? |
janx |
Nov-20-06 08:37 PM |
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Hey, I'm not necessarily on Clark's side, name not withstanding |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-20-06 08:43 PM |
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My questions were rhetorical. |
janx |
Nov-20-06 08:47 PM |
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84 % opposed the war? YOU ARE ON ACID! |
mdmc |
Nov-20-06 06:47 PM |
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that was the result of a poll taken on Monday |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 07:35 PM |
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Link please. nt |
skipos |
Nov-20-06 07:53 PM |
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oh...i did misread ... |
mdmc |
Nov-20-06 07:57 PM |
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re: the acid remark |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 08:08 PM |
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i think jfk could use some |
mdmc |
Nov-20-06 10:58 PM |
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I can understand his reasoning |
GloriaSmith |
Nov-20-06 07:24 PM |
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Nobody knows. n/t |
janx |
Nov-20-06 07:43 PM |
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Carlyle Group thinks "winning" means sucking the last possible dime out of Iraq |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 07:55 PM |
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Agreed. Talk of "winning" the immoral and illegal war |
arewenotdemo |
Nov-21-06 02:08 AM |
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The Iraqi people |
Jcrowley |
Nov-20-06 07:31 PM |
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that's the bottom line |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 07:51 PM |
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I didn't catch Wes with Ed Schultz, but I agree with his previous comments on Iraq. |
Tatiana |
Nov-20-06 07:40 PM |
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we "own" what? what do you mean "fix"? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 07:50 PM |
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It's a metaphor (obviously) meaning we are responsible for the situation in Iraq. |
Tatiana |
Nov-20-06 08:21 PM |
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the large majority of Iraqis want us to leave |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 09:07 PM |
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I agree international support will be needed. |
Tatiana |
Nov-20-06 09:18 PM |
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the international community would not be doing it for us |
leftofthedial |
Nov-20-06 09:46 PM |
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Yes they do, but many of them say "Soon" or "Very Soon" |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-20-06 09:20 PM |
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Is there any way you can change the title of your thread? |
brentspeak |
Nov-20-06 08:03 PM |
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If it matters, I didn't take it that way. |
janx |
Nov-20-06 08:15 PM |
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And a swift kick |
JNelson6563 |
Nov-20-06 08:10 PM |
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Ouch! That kinda hurt... |
upi402 |
Nov-20-06 09:42 PM |
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I don't find myself in complete agreement.. |
sendero |
Nov-20-06 08:20 PM |
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Cat yack on that idea. What is wrong with these people! It is NEVER going |
lonestarnot |
Nov-20-06 08:22 PM |
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I understand where you are coming from, but |
David Zephyr |
Nov-20-06 08:57 PM |
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Great post. I'm with you 100% |
Tatiana |
Nov-20-06 09:06 PM |
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I no longer like Clark |
oneinok |
Nov-20-06 09:11 PM |
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Yeah....really, where did you spend one no one time with him at? |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 09:49 PM |
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Well, if you say so. |
troubleinwinter |
Nov-20-06 10:09 PM |
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Thank you for your rational OP & posts on this thread. |
TheGoldenRule |
Nov-20-06 10:46 PM |
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I linked the broacast in another post prior to this one..... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 11:23 PM |
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I'll ignore your ridiculous statement about Clark threads. But tell us, |
wiley |
Nov-20-06 11:59 PM |
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Bah. I've seen people say the same in Kerry threads and Dean threads too |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-21-06 12:05 AM |
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Here's is the broadcast...... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 11:17 PM |
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Thanks. Unbelievable the rancor someone's "impressions" can elicit |
The Count |
Nov-20-06 11:28 PM |
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I heard that interview. And I must disagree. |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-20-06 11:42 PM |
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It may be that Clark's approaching it from a point of view of coming up with a |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-20-06 11:48 PM |
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That's called being a diplomat |
seasonedblue |
Nov-21-06 12:01 AM |
#134 |
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True. Old Generals sometimes make the best diplomats |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-21-06 12:17 AM |
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Yep, there's way too many people who don't want an honest answer... |
CarolNYC |
Nov-21-06 06:32 AM |
#156 |
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My friend in |
upi402 |
Nov-20-06 11:50 PM |
#131 |
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I heard that the Republicans are the most scared of him |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-21-06 12:08 AM |
#137 |
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Yeah, nothing but net |
upi402 |
Nov-21-06 12:13 AM |
#140 |
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You were a delegate for Clarke? |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-21-06 12:26 AM |
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Hard to tell |
upi402 |
Nov-21-06 12:33 AM |
#145 |
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he was definitely NOT offering quick solutions |
leftofthedial |
Nov-21-06 12:03 AM |
#135 |
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Permanent occupation is not so bad if the situation changes |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-21-06 12:12 AM |
#139 |
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Now you can read Clark's plan as published in his op-Ed |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-21-06 12:00 AM |
#133 |
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The man doesn't even register in the polls |
ruggerson |
Nov-21-06 12:12 AM |
#138 |
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Did you see the 2003 poll round this time? |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-21-06 12:16 AM |
#141 |
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Wrong and wrong again. |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-21-06 12:19 AM |
#143 |
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That's my view on the ground too |
JNelson6563 |
Nov-21-06 05:24 AM |
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Better Clark than another Republican administration... |
puebloknot |
Nov-21-06 04:52 AM |
#147 |
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No, he doesn't want to send Rice and Gates to Iraq....... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-21-06 05:41 AM |
#151 |
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Well, I realized last night, 30 seconds after hitting "post,"... |
puebloknot |
Nov-21-06 07:21 PM |
#158 |
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He use to be a republican.... |
B Calm |
Nov-21-06 05:23 AM |
#148 |
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No he didn't used to be a Republican, he was an Independent General |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-21-06 05:35 AM |
#150 |
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Yawn... what a tired old meme. |
Clark2008 |
Nov-21-06 06:09 AM |
#152 |
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"It was a flawed, fatally flawed idea," |
Clark2008 |
Nov-21-06 06:16 AM |
#154 |
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