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Mon Nov-20-06 03:09 PM
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| 84. Unless a form of bc has a 100% effectiveness, your premise is faulty... |
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No such bc exists (abstinence notwithstanding, but let's be serious: People are not going to stop having sex and it's silly to suggest that they do so), so to rely on one form automatically comes with a risk. Two forms greatly reduces that risk, and three practically eliminates that risk (though not 100%; still fairly remote). Triple redundancy as a form of precaution is a great policy in anything field where there is a risk involved.
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| -"I'm pro-choice, but abortion should only take place if the mothers life is in danger" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Nov-20-06 01:33 PM |
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I would start at the NARAL site. |
niyad |
Nov-20-06 01:37 PM |
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I think that every woman has the right to an abortion...but again |
movonne |
Nov-20-06 01:40 PM |
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My impression is that the "opposite" phenomenon is more common. |
Skinner |
Nov-20-06 01:41 PM |
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That's called being Pro-Choice |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 01:49 PM |
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Yeah, I know. |
Skinner |
Nov-20-06 01:51 PM |
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How do ya get THEM to understand that? |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 03:23 PM |
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I don't see the conflict in the "I'm pro-life, but..." argument. |
hughee99 |
Nov-20-06 02:11 PM |
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That's what it means to be Pro-Choice; the right to do something you might not do yourself |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 03:28 PM |
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I really do not like the term "pro-life," it implies that the rest of us |
question everything |
Nov-20-06 02:23 PM |
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"Choice" as in "Freedom of _____," the Freedom to Choose. Freedom visceral enough? |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 03:29 PM |
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Ah. But we don't use the word freedom |
question everything |
Nov-20-06 04:59 PM |
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People know what "Pro Choice" really means just like they know what "Pro Life"really means |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 05:10 PM |
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Legal, Safe--AND RARE |
librechik |
Nov-20-06 01:41 PM |
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Why rare? |
PistolSteve |
Nov-20-06 01:44 PM |
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Beat Me To It |
REP |
Nov-20-06 01:49 PM |
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me, too. I literally cringe every time I see the word rare used |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 02:08 PM |
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"Rarely necessary" might be a better term. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-20-06 02:48 PM |
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No. Not better at all. Because who's going to decide which |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 02:55 PM |
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I Read It As "Rarely Necessary, Like Root Canals" |
REP |
Nov-20-06 03:00 PM |
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I'm still uncomfortable with even the hint of the idea that there |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 03:06 PM |
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THEY SHOULD NOT BE RARE!!!!! |
novalib |
Nov-20-06 03:49 PM |
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Exactly! If one is OK, why is two not OK? n/t |
CTyankee |
Nov-20-06 04:26 PM |
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"Rare" is a sop to hypocrisy, IMHO. |
CTyankee |
Nov-20-06 04:24 PM |
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I think when people use the term "rare," they mean that they |
Clark2008 |
Nov-20-06 02:39 PM |
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Rare because it is an invasive procedure? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Nov-20-06 02:55 PM |
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exactly--abortion is hard on the woman physically, and if she had early options |
librechik |
Nov-20-06 04:42 PM |
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Because in certainly a portion of the cases, |
Perky |
Nov-20-06 04:17 PM |
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"A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE"????!!!!! WTF???!!!! |
novalib |
Nov-20-06 04:28 PM |
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And in instances in which it it not for life or health? |
Perky |
Nov-20-06 04:53 PM |
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It is ALWAYS Life or Health!!!!!! |
novalib |
Nov-20-06 08:38 PM |
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By that logic all women should always have abortion |
Perky |
Nov-20-06 10:10 PM |
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By that logic all women should always have abortion |
Perky |
Nov-20-06 10:10 PM |
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By that logic all women should always have abortion |
Perky |
Nov-20-06 10:10 PM |
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You are confusing (total strangers') personal opinion with individual rights |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 04:53 PM |
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Rare because they don't need to happen nearly so often |
JerseygirlCT |
Nov-20-06 08:45 PM |
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Abortion is a surgical procedure, and as such is a risk to a womans health. |
Xithras |
Nov-20-06 09:20 PM |
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Safe, Legal and None Of Your Business |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 03:30 PM |
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Here! Here! |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 03:38 PM |
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Here Here Ya Go! |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 03:44 PM |
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Excellent Post! |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 04:01 PM |
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:yes: |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 04:03 PM |
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I'll Have One, Too! |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 04:14 PM |
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I'll second that. |
impeachdubya |
Nov-20-06 04:04 PM |
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Mind Your Own WHO?! Damn Bizness!! |
omega minimo |
Nov-20-06 04:06 PM |
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this is indeed better than "rare" n/t |
librechik |
Nov-20-06 04:35 PM |
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That's it! n/t |
Dora |
Nov-20-06 04:42 PM |
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yes. |
FLDem5 |
Nov-20-06 08:40 PM |
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Assuming that you're pro-choice ... |
Jim__ |
Nov-20-06 01:41 PM |
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The combination of my love for the founding ideas of the U.S.A.and the fact |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-20-06 02:01 PM |
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Unfortunately, the rightwing has, as it always does, won the language war |
Rabrrrrrr |
Nov-20-06 01:41 PM |
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First off |
blogslut |
Nov-20-06 01:41 PM |
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Absolutely. That was driven home to me when my daughter |
CTyankee |
Nov-20-06 04:35 PM |
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Choice refers to the mother's choice... |
Cassandra |
Nov-20-06 01:41 PM |
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Can I ask the age of your audience? I'm wondering if |
babylonsister |
Nov-20-06 01:42 PM |
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We are all 18-23, with one exception. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Nov-20-06 02:04 PM |
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Ask them why? |
PistolSteve |
Nov-20-06 01:43 PM |
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Carl Sagan had some thoughts on the subject. |
Fridays Child |
Nov-20-06 01:43 PM |
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Some Basics: |
REP |
Nov-20-06 01:44 PM |
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Well done... |
PistolSteve |
Nov-20-06 01:46 PM |
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From what I understand |
laundry_queen |
Nov-20-06 04:21 PM |
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Hydatiform moles are people, too. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-20-06 02:51 PM |
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One of the central issues is timing... |
whoneedstickets |
Nov-20-06 01:46 PM |
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I don't see what's wrong with this... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-20-06 01:47 PM |
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I suppose I thought that "pro-choice" meant that it wasn't the buisness |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Nov-20-06 02:05 PM |
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I'll bite the bullet: I only support abortion only in cases of rape, incest, or medical emergency... |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 01:50 PM |
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I'll Keep Saying It ...There Will Always Be a Need |
REP |
Nov-20-06 01:57 PM |
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You didn't read my post very carefully, so I won't bother responding. n/t |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 02:02 PM |
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Ah. Can't Answer. I Understand. |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:05 PM |
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Funny, I was able to respond to gollygee. Must be a problem on your end. n/t |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 02:12 PM |
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Funny That ... You Responded In The Wrong Place. Cute! |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:24 PM |
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Dupe Post |
REP |
Nov-20-06 01:57 PM |
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I *personally* wouldn't have an abortion except for in a case like that |
gollygee |
Nov-20-06 02:04 PM |
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And as I already said, there must be a solid support system or else no abortion ban. |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 02:11 PM |
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I don't think the male pill is on the market yet |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Nov-20-06 02:19 PM |
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And how many kinds of lube are there? |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 02:23 PM |
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Abortion IS a Responsible Action! You Just Don't Like It! |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:26 PM |
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Screech a little louder, maybe your opinion will be a little more correct... |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 02:38 PM |
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Run a Little Faster - Maybe No One Will Notice! |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:51 PM |
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Incest leads to genetic abnormalities, so yes there's a medical reason |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 03:04 PM |
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This Is Not a Hypothetical |
REP |
Nov-20-06 03:21 PM |
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So you are condoning Pregancy As Punishment |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 03:54 PM |
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Exactly. How would you like to be the "punishment" for your mother's mistake? |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 08:34 PM |
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Check out how going before a panel of doctors was "good" for Kate Michaelman, former chairman of |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 08:41 PM |
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"Or remove her ovaries" ? .... that is the stupidest thing I've read on DU |
Crim_n al |
Nov-20-06 10:14 PM |
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But you want to force women and girls to carry unwanted children |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 04:27 PM |
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I got pregnant first time using the pill, condoms, spermicide and |
Crim_n al |
Nov-20-06 09:27 PM |
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'cuz we all know that birth control NEVER fails.... |
Scout |
Nov-21-06 12:10 PM |
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Wrong. |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:21 PM |
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1) Preventative actions, 2) Other options, 3) Where did I say I was astonished? |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 02:28 PM |
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Give Me a Break! |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:34 PM |
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Ok, I'll give you a break: I can see you're a very impatient person... |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 02:41 PM |
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You Have Never Answered |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:52 PM |
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See? Impatient. n/t |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 03:10 PM |
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Um - using 2 condoms at one time? Bad idea. |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 02:43 PM |
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As I said elsewhere: Lube. Also, no less practical than brushing your teeth or flossing. |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 02:51 PM |
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I think using one or 2 forms of bc is adequate. |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 02:53 PM |
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Unless a form of bc has a 100% effectiveness, your premise is faulty... |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 03:09 PM |
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That's just ridiculous. I still stand by my "premise" (which is really my opinion |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 08:16 PM |
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I had a friend once who couldn't take bc pills, and was allergic to latex. |
Lars39 |
Nov-20-06 04:45 PM |
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ha! No, she COULD have sex if she uses spermicide (which I'm SURE is much |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 08:19 PM |
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you're a real piece of work... |
Scout |
Nov-21-06 12:19 PM |
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Some women can't take the pill - it would ruin their health |
Clark2008 |
Nov-20-06 02:48 PM |
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You Were Careless - Shoulda Used Three! or More! |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:55 PM |
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Meaningless hyperbole, not suprising. |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 03:14 PM |
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Yes, You Screech Squawk Screech But You Say Nothing - Just Avoid Questions |
REP |
Nov-20-06 03:27 PM |
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Actually, I thought it was funny. |
Clark2008 |
Nov-20-06 03:31 PM |
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Lube? And I've already responded to the inability to take a pill... |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-20-06 03:13 PM |
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Carry a child to term and give it up for Adoption??? |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 03:43 PM |
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I can't take birth control pills |
gollygee |
Nov-20-06 05:43 PM |
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If contraception was more readily available, and if sex ed was better... |
Beaverhausen |
Nov-20-06 01:52 PM |
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Contraception and sex education are wonderful and necessary, |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-20-06 02:15 PM |
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Any health care worker who's been through a maternity |
Warpy |
Nov-20-06 01:52 PM |
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Here's The Studies on the Psychological Sequelae to Surrendering for Adoption |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:02 PM |
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The Pro-Lifers claim a similar grief reaction... |
whoneedstickets |
Nov-20-06 02:07 PM |
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Wrong, And Here's THOSE Studies: |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:11 PM |
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What flawed methodology! |
whoneedstickets |
Nov-20-06 02:23 PM |
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Read Them Again; "Scanned" and "They Appear" Is Not Analysis |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:27 PM |
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Chek my edit above |
whoneedstickets |
Nov-20-06 02:41 PM |
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Tee Hee |
REP |
Nov-20-06 02:57 PM |
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I'm glad you're amused... |
whoneedstickets |
Nov-20-06 03:02 PM |
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Do I Smell Something? |
REP |
Nov-20-06 03:23 PM |
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I suppose what they mean is it should |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Nov-20-06 01:57 PM |
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Thats touchy.... |
buckettgirl |
Nov-20-06 02:06 PM |
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It's not really a choice if you have an abortion because you were raped or |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 02:06 PM |
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Ask them if, when a man masturbates, if he is killing potential life |
kevinbgoode |
Nov-20-06 02:16 PM |
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ejaculation is not fertilization |
Marnieworld |
Nov-20-06 03:18 PM |
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"Life" Does NOT Begin Before Birth!! |
novalib |
Nov-20-06 03:42 PM |
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I agree. . .and I thought our Constitution clearly says you become |
kevinbgoode |
Nov-20-06 09:21 PM |
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Try focusing on the "decision" rather than the act |
Big Sky Boy |
Nov-20-06 02:18 PM |
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Why not start with some "history" of the abortion debate? |
IdaBriggs |
Nov-20-06 02:19 PM |
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These people are like the vegetarians |
jilln |
Nov-20-06 02:26 PM |
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Most pregnancies end up being miscarried, often without the woman |
question everything |
Nov-20-06 02:27 PM |
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I think the original premises are wrong. |
Cleita |
Nov-20-06 02:27 PM |
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FYI Here is an interesting viewpoint that may help a little |
Pugee |
Nov-20-06 02:41 PM |
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As long as they are pro-choice, does it matter |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Nov-20-06 02:50 PM |
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But they are not pro-choice. |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 02:52 PM |
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simple- my body my choice, your body your choice |
grizmaster |
Nov-20-06 02:58 PM |
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That's what I've always said to these weaseling nosy Busy-Bodies. |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 04:12 PM |
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How about this: It's none of your fucking business what a woman |
Union Thug |
Nov-20-06 03:02 PM |
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"Should only" is different from "The law should demand..." |
Alexander |
Nov-20-06 03:08 PM |
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They are pro-choice. They just believe the state should choose, not women. |
robertpaulsen |
Nov-20-06 03:20 PM |
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Discuss Right and wrong, vs legal. |
JacksonWest |
Nov-20-06 03:32 PM |
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Abortion is a Religious freedom issue. |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 03:36 PM |
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"Life Begins At Fertilization"?!?!?!?!?! |
novalib |
Nov-20-06 03:40 PM |
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logic alone. abortion murder. still murder with rape, incest and mothers |
seabeyond |
Nov-20-06 04:13 PM |
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First of all, that's a contradiction in terms. |
AZBlue |
Nov-20-06 04:21 PM |
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I Call Them "No-Choicers"! |
Megahurtz |
Nov-20-06 04:40 PM |
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Exactly. Actually, a lot of "pro-lifers" say it's ok in the case of a mother's health in danger. |
AZBlue |
Nov-20-06 05:32 PM |
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yep. I said the same in several posts above. |
Iris |
Nov-20-06 08:33 PM |
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I would use the fact that the right to an abortion is more than just that |
RGBolen |
Nov-20-06 05:02 PM |
#130 |
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"Should only take place" or "should only be legal"? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-20-06 05:12 PM |
#132 |
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safe rare legal . work on reduction of poverty to promote culture of life |
mdmc |
Nov-20-06 08:20 PM |
#137 |
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I'm against abortion... |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-06 08:35 PM |
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Okay *takes deep breath*... |
tinfoil tiaras |
Nov-20-06 08:54 PM |
#145 |
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How 'bout a big ole hug instead? |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-06 09:57 PM |
#151 |
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Aw, thank you! |
tinfoil tiaras |
Nov-20-06 10:04 PM |
#152 |
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Not much, just me...way too late again. I always mean to go to bed |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-06 10:05 PM |
#153 |
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Awesome. I'm out of school all of this week |
tinfoil tiaras |
Nov-20-06 10:47 PM |
#157 |
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The question isn't "When does life begin?" |
last1standing |
Nov-20-06 09:02 PM |
#146 |
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I'm pro choice - true story |
Perragrande |
Nov-20-06 09:37 PM |
#150 |
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