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70. On the PBS show "Frontline" about Rwanda, the U.N. General Dallaire used that same word: Evil
Listen to what he said when he met with the leaders of the Rwandan genocide:
So Bagosora established a couple of these meetings, but the first one was in the Diplomat Hotel that had been partially bombed out, that was used as the extremist headquarters in Kigali. … Bagosora brought me and there were these three guys, three Rwandans, one tall, one medium and one smaller who stood up when I entered. Bagosora introduced them and as I was looking at them and shaking their hands I noticed some blood spots still on them. And all of a sudden they disappeared from being human. All of a sudden something happened that turned them into non-human things.

I was not talking with humans, I literally was talking with evil, personified, maybe in those bodies and in those eyes. But they weren't human. And what was coming out of their mouths wasn't human. They were so proud of now being into discussions with the general from the U.N., and that gave them great personal prestige, and they were this situation that they found themselves in. But everything that was coming out was not words of a human negotiating or discussing, it was evil blurting out their positions and their arguments. I didn't see humans anymore, I was totally overcome by the evil. These three guys just brought it into reality, brought evil into reality and by my religious background, the only way I could qualify that was being the devil. That son of a bitch had come on earth, in that paradise, and literally taken over. And these three guys were the right hand people of Lucifer himself, Bagosora. And I couldn't shake that.

… My instinctive reaction had me starting to pull my pistol, because I was facing evil. I wasn't facing humans I was facing something that had to be destroyed. … It even became a very difficult ethical problem. Do I actually negotiate with the devil to save people? Or do I wipe it out, shoot the bastards right there? I haven't answered that question yet. What if I'd killed them? Objectively their structure was such that if I'd wiped out these three guys the structure would have sustained itself and then I would have put the whole lot of us in guaranteed danger of being wiped out. But for a long time I felt that I wouldn't have been killing humans, I would have been actually destroying the devil.

( read more here...)

After reading this latest MSNBC article, it gives me a very CREEPY feeling where one of the young rape victims says:

"When we got there," Masoro recalls, "they said, 'This is a horrible place where girls and women suffer, and you will suffer also'." They were kept tied to trees except when they were doing domestic chores or being raped. Their mothers were raped in front of the girls. Benga bursts into tears recalling the experience. "Their purpose is simply to ruin people, to rape people," she says. "I don't know why."

I'm starting to wonder if something else is going on there in Central Africa. Could this all be explained away as a cycle of human violence motivated by desperation? Or is the motivation coming from somewhere else, somewhere, dare I say, "evil"?

I don't know, but if there is such a thing as the devil, it seems that he'd feel right at home in Central Africa these last 12 years.
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  -This is disgusting...read at your own discretion eauclaireliberal  Nov-18-06 10:48 AM   #0 
  - k  rodeodance   Nov-18-06 11:19 AM   #1 
  - rape. the preferrred weapon of wars  rodeodance   Nov-18-06 11:20 AM   #2 
     - Stories like this  undergroundpanther   Nov-18-06 11:29 AM   #3 
        - Obviously from the injuries these women suffer, that would not solve anything. Although it  Kali   Nov-18-06 11:36 AM   #6 
        - It would solve alot  undergroundpanther   Nov-18-06 11:44 AM   #10 
           - I refuse to consider my penis a weapon  derby378   Nov-19-06 09:13 PM   #80 
        - Rape can and is committed with things other than a penis.  StraightDope   Nov-18-06 12:07 PM   #14 
        - yep - that is my gut feeling too.  Kali   Nov-18-06 12:34 PM   #19 
        - If you read the article, it wasn't just dicks, pipes and sticks too.  lonestarnot   Nov-18-06 06:21 PM   #38 
  - this is beyond horrible  undeterred   Nov-18-06 11:31 AM   #4 
  - This place is literally, HELL on EARTH...  file83   Nov-19-06 11:12 AM   #67 
  - "The Congo doesn't have oil, BTW..."  Kali   Nov-18-06 11:34 AM   #5 
  - I didn't read it  undergroundpanther   Nov-18-06 11:37 AM   #7 
  - you need to read the article  VelmaD   Nov-18-06 11:41 AM   #9 
  - Than kill them  undergroundpanther   Nov-18-06 11:47 AM   #11 
     - Now you're talking....  smirkymonkey   Nov-19-06 08:26 PM   #77 
  - None of you seem to realize that castration...  StraightDope   Nov-18-06 12:11 PM   #17 
  - Intellectually I agree with you, but what would you do?  Kali   Nov-18-06 12:39 PM   #20 
  - Lock 'em up.  StraightDope   Nov-18-06 12:48 PM   #22 
  - They can't afford food, housing, or medicine. How are they supposed to afford huge prisons??  AZBlue   Nov-18-06 07:17 PM   #45 
  - Did you even read the article. ?  bloom   Nov-18-06 07:36 PM   #48 
  - Why too easy? Because of vengence?  TheWraith   Nov-18-06 12:52 PM   #24 
     - No not because of vengence although it would be understandable in these cases  Kali   Nov-18-06 01:13 PM   #26 
        - Solve it? Maybe.  TheWraith   Nov-18-06 11:14 PM   #62 
  - Cruel and unusual punishment.  bloom   Nov-18-06 07:32 PM   #47 
  - Excuse me?  TheWraith   Nov-18-06 12:42 PM   #21 
     - Indeed.  StraightDope   Nov-18-06 12:49 PM   #23 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-18-06 11:40 AM   #8 
  - Yeah  eauclaireliberal   Nov-18-06 11:52 AM   #12 
  - They DO deserve it  undergroundpanther   Nov-18-06 11:55 AM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-18-06 01:13 PM   #27 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-18-06 02:39 PM   #33 
  - So you think I should be raped?  HaggardsMethDealer   Nov-18-06 12:07 PM   #16 
  - what is it with the lack of reading comprehension around here  VelmaD   Nov-18-06 02:36 PM   #31 
  - Even worse  tbyg52   Nov-18-06 12:22 PM   #18 
  - I'm totally speachless...  Tommy_J   Nov-18-06 12:07 PM   #15 
  - I can't even cry, it's too shocking. nt  mcg   Nov-18-06 06:33 PM   #41 
  - Lord have mercy,  Uncle Joe   Nov-18-06 01:01 PM   #25 
  - I'm having trouble comprehending the barbarity  WakeMeUp   Nov-18-06 01:36 PM   #28 
  - Evil  Felinity   Nov-18-06 02:39 PM   #32 
  - On the PBS show "Frontline" about Rwanda, the U.N. General Dallaire used that same word: Evil  file83   Nov-19-06 11:39 AM   #70 
     - Unbelievable  Felinity   Nov-19-06 02:36 PM   #71 
  - Yeah,  Synnical   Nov-18-06 11:11 PM   #61 
  - oh my god  Herman Munster   Nov-18-06 01:45 PM   #29 
  - A massive prison complex...  krispos42   Nov-18-06 02:28 PM   #30 
  - victims with clubs and cattle prods as guards?  lwfern   Nov-18-06 06:34 PM   #43 
     - All prison guards have that equipment  krispos42   Nov-19-06 04:22 PM   #72 
        - Maybe the victims have other plans for their lives  lwfern   Nov-19-06 05:25 PM   #73 
           - ???  krispos42   Nov-19-06 08:20 PM   #76 
              - It doesn't sound good to me  lwfern   Nov-19-06 08:43 PM   #78 
                 - Sounds better than castration or amputation  krispos42   Nov-19-06 09:04 PM   #79 
  - What about rounding them up with non-lethal weapons?  AmericanaAustraliana   Nov-18-06 04:04 PM   #34 
  - .  djmaddox1   Nov-18-06 04:48 PM   #35 
  - So now the question on my mind is WHY?  eauclaireliberal   Nov-18-06 05:05 PM   #36 
  - because women are property  undeterred   Nov-18-06 06:04 PM   #37 
  - Solution: Education in humanity. Lock them up until they get it.  lonestarnot   Nov-18-06 06:27 PM   #40 
  - The really crappy part...  VelmaD   Nov-18-06 10:48 PM   #57 
  - Ah jeeze... I am stunned with tears  sproutster   Nov-18-06 06:21 PM   #39 
  - I Almost Puked....  stepnw1f   Nov-18-06 06:34 PM   #42 
  - The scary thing is that this is so underreported and misrepresented when it is reported.  AZBlue   Nov-18-06 07:12 PM   #44 
  - perpetrators probably will be shot on sight, eventually -- by other rapists & murderers  0rganism   Nov-18-06 07:55 PM   #51 
     - That would be a fantastic solution. And anyone who would balk at the cost could compare  AZBlue   Nov-18-06 08:27 PM   #55 
        - It gets to the heart of the problem, I think  0rganism   Nov-18-06 10:44 PM   #56 
  - So...what does one propose we do? (nt)  The Straight Story   Nov-18-06 07:19 PM   #46 
  - My theory on this is that the Congo has been such a mess for so many  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-06 07:49 PM   #49 
  - Congo does have oil. It's 2/3 of GDP. Reserves of 1.5 billion barrels.  oblivious   Nov-18-06 07:51 PM   #50 
  - I know...that's not what I meant  eauclaireliberal   Nov-18-06 07:55 PM   #52 
     - OK, I see.  oblivious   Nov-18-06 07:55 PM   #53 
  - Shame they don't have oil. Bush could have "liberated" them, too.  Lone_Star_Dem   Nov-18-06 07:58 PM   #54 
  - The Congo Has Plenty Of Black Gold  Jcrowley   Nov-18-06 10:55 PM   #58 
  - Do we sell weapons to these assholes?  Strawman   Nov-18-06 10:58 PM   #59 
  - RE: Do we sell weapons to these assholes?  eauclaireliberal   Nov-18-06 11:19 PM   #64 
  - Read this, it's from a post I did earlier this week...  ariellyn   Nov-19-06 11:19 AM   #69 
  - Savages. Inhuman, bestial savages.  MrSlayer   Nov-18-06 11:04 PM   #60 
  - Why is this a Web Exclusive article???  Synnical   Nov-18-06 11:15 PM   #63 
  - kinda makes an argument for the Queen of the Damned's "final solution"  NuttyFluffers   Nov-19-06 01:16 AM   #65 
  - No oil but it does have diamonds.  TheBaldyMan   Nov-19-06 04:57 AM   #66 
  - That is one of the most fucked up things I've ever read.  meldroc   Nov-19-06 11:17 AM   #68 
  - This is the saddest, sickest thing I've ever read. The perpetrators  Sugar Smack   Nov-19-06 05:28 PM   #74 
  - You are a brave soul for posting this story. Bless you!  Ignis   Nov-19-06 05:53 PM   #75 
  - .  Synnical   Nov-20-06 09:31 PM   #81 
 

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