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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:31 AM
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19. There's nothing to wonder about. They tortured him.

So, not only might al Qaeda have intentionally planted the information (of which I'm skeptical), we have 2 examples of where torture produced bad intelligence, as predicted, and has now lead to over half a million deaths. In the case of al Libi, as mentioned in the above article, and Zubaydah, as well.

Check any of the available Iraq war timelines for info on these two guys, and you'll see that their torture-extracted misinformation was used by the Bush Administration to mislead the US into invading Iraq.

I would think that deliberate use of information extracted through torture, to lead the country to war, would fall within the "high crimes or misdemeanors" classification.
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  -The Guardian: Al-Qaida 'planted information to encourage US invasion' kpete  Nov-17-06 08:42 AM   #0 
  - you always find the good stories  stop the bleeding   Nov-17-06 08:43 AM   #1 
  - Wow.  Horse with no Name   Nov-17-06 08:44 AM   #2 
  - There's nothing to wonder about. They tortured him.  krkaufman   Nov-17-06 11:31 AM   #19 
  - Doesn't pass the sniff test  magellan   Nov-17-06 08:46 AM   #3 
  - It was used; the DIA thought it dodgy, the CIA embraced it  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-17-06 08:51 AM   #6 
  - It was.  dorkulon   Nov-17-06 08:52 AM   #8 
  - Thank you both  magellan   Nov-17-06 08:53 AM   #10 
  - Ummm... It *was* used, as the Guardian articles details.  krkaufman   Nov-17-06 11:32 AM   #20 
  - does this help? - this post was to answer for post#3  stop the bleeding   Nov-17-06 08:48 AM   #4 
  - Is your reply to me?  magellan   Nov-17-06 08:52 AM   #9 
     - yes and your welcome  stop the bleeding   Nov-17-06 08:59 AM   #13 
  - W, you big patsy.....  The Count   Nov-17-06 08:50 AM   #5 
  - That isn't "new", al Qaeda wanting to overthrow Saddam.  LynnTheDem   Nov-17-06 08:51 AM   #7 
  - and who knows more about enabling OBL than almost anybody?  Jim Warren   Nov-17-06 11:43 AM   #28 
  - Actually, the degree to which Bush is checking-off bin Ladin's ToDo List items...  krkaufman   Nov-17-06 11:50 AM   #30 
  - read this  SoftUnderbelly   Nov-17-06 08:56 AM   #11 
  - I wish they broadcasted Newsnight on BBC America. n/t  krkaufman   Nov-17-06 11:35 AM   #21 
  - What Bushit! It was Chalabi and friends that helped plant evidence. Curveball ring a bell???? eom  OmmmSweetOmmm   Nov-17-06 08:58 AM   #12 
  - No, it is quite realistic -- except for the "al Qaeda" part  krkaufman   Nov-17-06 11:38 AM   #23 
  - To me, this is quite plausible.  Jim4Wes   Nov-17-06 09:02 AM   #14 
  - One of bin Laden's goals was to kick Saddam out  Jacobin   Nov-17-06 09:05 AM   #15 
  - Dubya (Cheney) knew! He hatched the plan with Osama.  buddysmellgood   Nov-17-06 10:03 AM   #17 
  - This story is a plant n/t  CJCRANE   Nov-17-06 09:09 AM   #16 
  - Come on  shadowknows69   Nov-17-06 10:05 AM   #18 
  - The source is questionable, but you state the best reason to disbelieve it.  BurtWorm   Nov-17-06 11:37 AM   #22 
  - And Al-Qaida used to be called the Afghan Mujahideen who the CIA funded and supported  NNN0LHI   Nov-17-06 11:40 AM   #24 
  - Though there's some overlap, al Qaeda and mujahideen aren't the same.  krkaufman   Nov-17-06 11:42 AM   #27 
     - If this article is correct there appears to be more than "some overlap"  NNN0LHI   Nov-17-06 06:30 PM   #31 
  - Parallel LBN thread here...  krkaufman   Nov-17-06 11:40 AM   #25 
  - The Al Qaida operative WAS Bush  ComerPerro   Nov-17-06 11:41 AM   #26 
  - Osama stated that he wanted to pull the US into a long  alfredo   Nov-17-06 11:44 AM   #29 

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