Telly Savalas
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Sun Nov-12-06 07:18 AM
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| 69. But you seem to be speaking in their frames |
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Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but you seem to be hanging the label "far leftist ideology" onto pragmatic policy solutions like single payer health care, government recognized same sex marriage, and a rapid redeployment from Iraq.
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| -To those of you who still think centrists won this election |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 02:35 AM |
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You betcha! |
aquart |
Nov-12-06 02:40 AM |
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The "Centrist" spin is all over the media, AND THE FOREIGN MEDIA |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 11:24 PM |
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Tell it like it is, jgraz, cause the networks and Newsweek sure the hell ain't |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-12-06 02:41 AM |
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kick and nom nt |
wakeme2008 |
Nov-12-06 02:43 AM |
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I hear that! Does the Dem leadership? |
upi402 |
Nov-12-06 02:44 AM |
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I'd be a little careful with characterizing Tester as a liberal |
rpannier |
Nov-12-06 02:46 AM |
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Same for Webb, as you note. nt |
JudyM |
Nov-12-06 02:30 PM |
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Woo! Can I get an AMEN! n/t |
TygrBright |
Nov-12-06 02:46 AM |
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It was a rejection of labels |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 02:47 AM |
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I think that is an excellent analysis of the results |
Leilani |
Nov-12-06 03:10 AM |
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Yes, we need to calm down and center for our corporate masters |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 03:17 AM |
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Don't speak in their frames |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 03:35 AM |
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You can't lay good "policy" on bankrupt presumptions |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 03:47 AM |
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People over ideology |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 03:55 AM |
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Those are well and good, but what about..................... |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 04:37 AM |
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whine piss and moan |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 04:47 AM |
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Funny you would call me a lefty "liberal" - I am an evangelical Christian |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 04:56 AM |
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Hey -- true Christians are about as lefty liberal as you can get! |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 05:00 AM |
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Amen! ;) |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 05:13 AM |
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Jesus invented Liberalism! nt |
femrap |
Nov-12-06 05:12 PM |
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Of course they want real change |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 05:00 AM |
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My point is we are cheating ourselves believing we can't do better |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 05:10 AM |
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Morereason - please put these comments into a new topic so we can all K&R them |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 05:19 AM |
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I tried, must have done something wrong ;) |
Morereason |
Nov-13-06 02:32 AM |
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Rejection of labels |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 05:32 AM |
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how do you know what the people want? |
noiretblu |
Nov-12-06 02:18 PM |
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this is the REAL problem in this country: diminished expectations |
noiretblu |
Nov-12-06 02:03 PM |
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You get it :) . |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 11:10 PM |
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yes, i do |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-06 01:08 AM |
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excelent points Morereason |
marions ghost |
Nov-12-06 04:54 AM |
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Excellent Post! |
bvar22 |
Nov-12-06 09:44 AM |
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interesting exchange going on here |
Jim Warren |
Nov-12-06 11:31 AM |
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But you seem to be speaking in their frames |
Telly Savalas |
Nov-12-06 07:18 AM |
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excellent observation |
noiretblu |
Nov-12-06 02:09 PM |
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very well said! thank you, Morereason! eom |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 03:41 AM |
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Garbage |
Leilani |
Nov-12-06 05:22 AM |
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Still angry, you damn well bet! And we better *stay* angry! |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 11:17 PM |
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Hell, I'd be happy if we just roll back the far right agenda of the last 6 years -n/t |
lapfog_1 |
Nov-12-06 04:47 AM |
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What analysis? |
Radical Activist |
Nov-12-06 02:23 PM |
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The police and fire departments are free-- |
eridani |
Nov-12-06 03:24 AM |
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They're not free |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 03:32 AM |
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Tax-supported public services are still free-- |
eridani |
Nov-12-06 03:51 AM |
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That doesn't mean 'free' health care |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 04:02 AM |
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It means free AT THE POINT OF SERVICE-- |
eridani |
Nov-12-06 11:30 PM |
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"the albatross of far leftist ideology" that would have won congress |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 03:37 AM |
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There are few far leftists in Congress |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 03:49 AM |
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gun control, ending the war, single-payer universal insurance, |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 04:03 AM |
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They always were |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 04:12 AM |
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"the far left" is who i spoke of in my first post to you. that would be |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 04:23 AM |
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Not true |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 04:27 AM |
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not true. exactly. eom |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 06:02 AM |
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Is that how you reason? |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 06:33 AM |
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how simplified. i found that you had inadvertently said what i was |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 07:18 AM |
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Exactly -- the rejection of labels was HUGE |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 04:16 AM |
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It's about legislation presented |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 04:31 AM |
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That's not liberal vs non-liberal |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 04:45 AM |
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Stupid vs. smart - yeah, that would be it |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 04:48 AM |
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The public got a glimpse through the propaganda........ |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 04:49 AM |
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Great post, sandnsea! |
SwingVoter2006 |
Nov-12-06 07:09 AM |
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Do you have any evidence to back up those statements? |
Radical Activist |
Nov-12-06 02:22 PM |
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The OP's anecdotal evidence was well-countered, so yes n/t |
spoony |
Nov-13-06 12:07 AM |
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No, not really. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-13-06 10:30 AM |
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Indeed, it was a populist victory. |
gully |
Nov-12-06 03:08 PM |
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Awesome post, sandnsea n/t |
spoony |
Nov-13-06 12:08 AM |
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the country's "owners" wasted no time hammering us with propaganda |
leftofthedial |
Nov-12-06 02:56 AM |
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yes, fact. well said! ty! eom |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 03:43 AM |
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You're being a bit selective, aren't you? |
TheWraith |
Nov-12-06 03:09 AM |
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Feel free to select your own set of candidates |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 03:20 AM |
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I'd give you a greatest if I could |
rpannier |
Nov-12-06 03:23 AM |
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That party isn't doing that. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-12-06 02:26 PM |
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Proud to be #5 - Thi is the start of a movement. They don't want Capitol |
autorank |
Nov-12-06 03:11 AM |
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Great Post and welcome to DY Jgraz.... |
althecat |
Nov-12-06 03:13 AM |
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As long as they get to keep their guns their happy. nt |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-12-06 03:14 AM |
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This gun ownership being taken away by Dems is another canard. |
caledesi |
Nov-12-06 12:11 PM |
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Unless your guns look like this... |
benEzra |
Nov-13-06 09:22 AM |
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response to you from another thread, reposted here |
cali |
Nov-12-06 03:45 AM |
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And my response to your response from the other thread |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 04:06 AM |
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We're not going to agree |
cali |
Nov-12-06 04:18 AM |
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Here's the real motivation for the OP |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 04:22 AM |
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OK, got it. |
cali |
Nov-12-06 04:32 AM |
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Hate to tell you this.... |
Shakespeare |
Nov-12-06 02:53 PM |
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sweet reading, jgraz. thank you for this list! eom |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 03:47 AM |
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i complimented too soon. please take the vulgar racist word |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 04:08 AM |
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Hmm..no Macaca, but "Honky" is OK... |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 04:18 AM |
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That's how we won the race |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 04:33 AM |
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if you have to become a fascist to fight fascists, why fight them |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 07:41 AM |
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Oh my god |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-06 12:33 PM |
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not by me. but for those who use slurs, at least it slurs HIM and |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 07:34 AM |
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The problem is.. |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 08:13 AM |
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i appreciate your reply and thoughts on this. i lived in places |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 08:41 AM |
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Great post |
malaise |
Nov-12-06 04:09 AM |
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k&r |
xchrom |
Nov-12-06 05:06 AM |
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Uh-huh, and I'll bet all of their campaign ads |
neebob |
Nov-12-06 05:28 AM |
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who fuckin cares? why not direct the comments to someone who actually said this? |
bigtree |
Nov-12-06 06:06 AM |
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Wow -- such a helpful comment |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 06:14 AM |
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contributing |
bigtree |
Nov-12-06 07:12 AM |
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Thanks -- that's a pretty good post |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 07:23 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-12-06 06:33 AM |
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Why is this information important?? Read this: |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 06:58 AM |
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very important post. thank you. eom |
nofurylike |
Nov-12-06 07:46 AM |
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Everyone won the election, |
mmonk |
Nov-12-06 07:03 AM |
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Not bullying and name calling |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 07:20 AM |
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the pendulum is swinging back HARD! k&r |
BlueEyedSon |
Nov-12-06 07:37 AM |
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Too bad all those gay marriage bans passed, and Lamont lost CT handily |
skipos |
Nov-12-06 10:06 AM |
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Lamont loss is a great example of my point |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 10:30 AM |
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Lamont got about as much help as our other candidates |
skipos |
Nov-12-06 10:57 AM |
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Republicans put sore loserman into power. |
Pithy Cherub |
Nov-12-06 11:01 AM |
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27% of liberals, 53% of moderates and 66% of conservatives voted for Joe |
skipos |
Nov-12-06 11:12 AM |
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Makes the point Traitor Joe is not a Democrat. n/t |
Pithy Cherub |
Nov-12-06 11:17 AM |
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The Arizona gay marriage ban failed. nt |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-12-06 08:23 PM |
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Lefty McLefterman. Now that's funny. |
leeroysphits |
Nov-12-06 10:43 AM |
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Excellent! |
Pithy Cherub |
Nov-12-06 10:57 AM |
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VG. Another great argument for neo-cons that are saying we |
caledesi |
Nov-12-06 12:00 PM |
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Absolutely |
alarimer |
Nov-12-06 12:08 PM |
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Do you REALLY think... |
yibbehobba |
Nov-12-06 12:18 PM |
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There is little evidence to argue either way |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 12:44 PM |
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There's a lot of evidence. |
Lurking Dem |
Nov-12-06 01:37 PM |
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That doesn't make sense to me, either. nt |
JudyM |
Nov-12-06 02:33 PM |
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A mandate for liberalism? |
Rosemary2205 |
Nov-12-06 12:19 PM |
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Funny how gay marriage is always first on the list... |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 01:18 PM |
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I'm not denegrating anything. |
Rosemary2205 |
Nov-12-06 01:31 PM |
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dead wrong, on so many levels |
noiretblu |
Nov-12-06 05:16 PM |
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In the End I would say Populism and Anti-Iraq won the day |
Geek_Girl |
Nov-12-06 12:20 PM |
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FORD - case in point.... |
sfwriter |
Nov-12-06 01:29 PM |
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Pelosi and everyone call keep calling it centrist... |
yebrent |
Nov-12-06 02:03 PM |
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I'm with you on this... |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 02:49 PM |
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Me too, as long as they keep moving progressive |
Morereason |
Nov-12-06 11:40 PM |
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K&R/nt |
nam78_two |
Nov-12-06 02:47 PM |
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yes n/t |
28erl |
Nov-12-06 02:59 PM |
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lol |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 03:04 PM |
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Being anti-war is not a leftist position. Being pro stemcell is not moderate. |
gully |
Nov-12-06 03:08 PM |
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Is this pre-emptive credit grabbing or "post-emptive?" |
gulliver |
Nov-12-06 03:12 PM |
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huh? |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 03:29 PM |
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That was a cheap shot. An ad hominem attack. |
quantessd |
Nov-12-06 05:22 PM |
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What? He's slamming me becase I don't have as many posts as he does??? |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 06:31 PM |
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Arizona became first state to defeat gay marriage ban. nt |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-12-06 04:26 PM |
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Go Loebsack |
pstans |
Nov-12-06 05:52 PM |
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I love it! Leach was elected when I was a freshman there in College 30 years ago! |
calipendence |
Nov-12-06 11:58 PM |
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Progressive Populism RULES! |
PassingFair |
Nov-12-06 05:58 PM |
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But jgraz, those are all mainstream cnadidates. LOL |
FogerRox |
Nov-12-06 07:19 PM |
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They are now :) |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 10:57 PM |
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I claim that mainstream issues from 40 yrs ago are still mainstream |
FogerRox |
Nov-13-06 12:57 AM |
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I hardly think most voters cared; they voted against corruption and lies |
kdpeters |
Nov-12-06 09:30 PM |
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An opportunity... |
DAMANgoldberg |
Nov-13-06 12:09 AM |
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You just have to have a liberal concept |
ThoughtCriminal |
Nov-12-06 10:08 PM |
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k/r |
upi402 |
Nov-12-06 10:09 PM |
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This Is a Great Thread |
Southpawkicker |
Nov-12-06 10:10 PM |
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Strong post |
Jcrowley |
Nov-12-06 10:14 PM |
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Great list - I felt it but now I KNOW it. Thanks - recommended |
williesgirl |
Nov-12-06 10:16 PM |
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Actually, it was 42/42 in Dallas. |
crispini |
Nov-12-06 11:03 PM |
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I actually heard it on Thom Hartman (I think) but that's good news... |
jgraz |
Nov-12-06 11:15 PM |
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Here 'tis |
crispini |
Nov-13-06 05:49 AM |
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I think the public needed to focus on a few issues that the Dems were pushing... |
calipendence |
Nov-12-06 11:55 PM |
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It certainly wasn't a mandate for making nice with the bozos who |
mhatrw |
Nov-13-06 03:01 PM |
#153 |
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