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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 04:47 AM
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46. whine piss and moan
It doesn't matter what Democrats do right, the left just isn't happy unless they're pissing on someone. It doesn't even matter if what they're pissing about is progressive or not, just that it's different from what Democrats do.

Cas in point. Social security is specifically NOT means tested so it can never be treated like a program for the poor. It is old age, disability and survivors INSURANCE BENEFITS. Not a welfare program.

Good bye.

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  -To those of you who still think centrists won this election jgraz  Nov-12-06 02:35 AM   #0 
  - You betcha!  aquart   Nov-12-06 02:40 AM   #1 
  - The "Centrist" spin is all over the media, AND THE FOREIGN MEDIA  Morereason   Nov-12-06 11:24 PM   #139 
  - Tell it like it is, jgraz, cause the networks and Newsweek sure the hell ain't  John Q. Citizen   Nov-12-06 02:41 AM   #2 
  - kick and nom nt  wakeme2008   Nov-12-06 02:43 AM   #3 
  - I hear that! Does the Dem leadership?  upi402   Nov-12-06 02:44 AM   #4 
  - I'd be a little careful with characterizing Tester as a liberal  rpannier   Nov-12-06 02:46 AM   #5 
  - Same for Webb, as you note. nt  JudyM   Nov-12-06 02:30 PM   #108 
  - Woo! Can I get an AMEN! n/t  TygrBright   Nov-12-06 02:46 AM   #6 
  - It was a rejection of labels  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 02:47 AM   #7 
  - I think that is an excellent analysis of the results  Leilani   Nov-12-06 03:10 AM   #10 
  - Yes, we need to calm down and center for our corporate masters  Morereason   Nov-12-06 03:17 AM   #14 
  - Don't speak in their frames  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 03:35 AM   #19 
  - You can't lay good "policy" on bankrupt presumptions  Morereason   Nov-12-06 03:47 AM   #24 
  - People over ideology  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 03:55 AM   #28 
     - Those are well and good, but what about.....................  Morereason   Nov-12-06 04:37 AM   #44 
     - whine piss and moan  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 04:47 AM   #46 
     - Funny you would call me a lefty "liberal" - I am an evangelical Christian  Morereason   Nov-12-06 04:56 AM   #51 
        - Hey -- true Christians are about as lefty liberal as you can get!  jgraz   Nov-12-06 05:00 AM   # 
        - Amen! ;)  Morereason   Nov-12-06 05:13 AM   #55 
        - Jesus invented Liberalism! nt  femrap   Nov-12-06 05:12 PM   #120 
        - Of course they want real change  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 05:00 AM   #52 
           - My point is we are cheating ourselves believing we can't do better  Morereason   Nov-12-06 05:10 AM   #54 
              - Morereason - please put these comments into a new topic so we can all K&R them  jgraz   Nov-12-06 05:19 AM   #56 
              - I tried, must have done something wrong ;)  Morereason   Nov-13-06 02:32 AM   #149 
              - Rejection of labels  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 05:32 AM   #59 
              - how do you know what the people want?  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 02:18 PM   #104 
              - this is the REAL problem in this country: diminished expectations  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 02:03 PM   #101 
                 - You get it :) .  Morereason   Nov-12-06 11:10 PM   #136 
                    - yes, i do  noiretblu   Nov-13-06 01:08 AM   #148 
     - excelent points Morereason  marions ghost   Nov-12-06 04:54 AM   #50 
     - Excellent Post!  bvar22   Nov-12-06 09:44 AM   #79 
     - interesting exchange going on here  Jim Warren   Nov-12-06 11:31 AM   #88 
  - But you seem to be speaking in their frames  Telly Savalas   Nov-12-06 07:18 AM   #69 
     - excellent observation  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 02:09 PM   #103 
  - very well said! thank you, Morereason! eom  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 03:41 AM   #21 
  - Garbage  Leilani   Nov-12-06 05:22 AM   #57 
     - Still angry, you damn well bet! And we better *stay* angry!  Morereason   Nov-12-06 11:17 PM   #138 
  - Hell, I'd be happy if we just roll back the far right agenda of the last 6 years -n/t  lapfog_1   Nov-12-06 04:47 AM   #47 
  - What analysis?  Radical Activist   Nov-12-06 02:23 PM   #106 
  - The police and fire departments are free--  eridani   Nov-12-06 03:24 AM   #17 
  - They're not free  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 03:32 AM   #18 
     - Tax-supported public services are still free--  eridani   Nov-12-06 03:51 AM   #27 
        - That doesn't mean 'free' health care  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 04:02 AM   #29 
           - It means free AT THE POINT OF SERVICE--  eridani   Nov-12-06 11:30 PM   #140 
  - "the albatross of far leftist ideology" that would have won congress  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 03:37 AM   #20 
  - There are few far leftists in Congress  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 03:49 AM   #26 
     - gun control, ending the war, single-payer universal insurance,  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 04:03 AM   #30 
        - They always were  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 04:12 AM   #34 
           - "the far left" is who i spoke of in my first post to you. that would be  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 04:23 AM   #39 
              - Not true  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 04:27 AM   #40 
                 - not true. exactly. eom  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 06:02 AM   #60 
                    - Is that how you reason?  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 06:33 AM   #64 
                       - how simplified. i found that you had inadvertently said what i was  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 07:18 AM   #70 
  - Exactly -- the rejection of labels was HUGE  jgraz   Nov-12-06 04:16 AM   #35 
  - It's about legislation presented  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 04:31 AM   #41 
  - That's not liberal vs non-liberal  jgraz   Nov-12-06 04:45 AM   #45 
     - Stupid vs. smart - yeah, that would be it  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 04:48 AM   #48 
  - The public got a glimpse through the propaganda........  Morereason   Nov-12-06 04:49 AM   #49 
  - Great post, sandnsea!  SwingVoter2006   Nov-12-06 07:09 AM   #67 
  - Do you have any evidence to back up those statements?  Radical Activist   Nov-12-06 02:22 PM   #105 
  - The OP's anecdotal evidence was well-countered, so yes n/t  spoony   Nov-13-06 12:07 AM   #144 
     - No, not really.  Radical Activist   Nov-13-06 10:30 AM   #152 
  - Indeed, it was a populist victory.  gully   Nov-12-06 03:08 PM   #116 
  - Awesome post, sandnsea n/t  spoony   Nov-13-06 12:08 AM   #145 
  - the country's "owners" wasted no time hammering us with propaganda  leftofthedial   Nov-12-06 02:56 AM   #8 
  - yes, fact. well said! ty! eom  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 03:43 AM   #22 
  - You're being a bit selective, aren't you?  TheWraith   Nov-12-06 03:09 AM   #9 
  - Feel free to select your own set of candidates  jgraz   Nov-12-06 03:20 AM   #15 
  - I'd give you a greatest if I could  rpannier   Nov-12-06 03:23 AM   #16 
  - That party isn't doing that.  Radical Activist   Nov-12-06 02:26 PM   #107 
  - Proud to be #5 - Thi is the start of a movement. They don't want Capitol  autorank   Nov-12-06 03:11 AM   #11 
  - Great Post and welcome to DY Jgraz....  althecat   Nov-12-06 03:13 AM   #12 
  - As long as they get to keep their guns their happy. nt  Life Long Dem   Nov-12-06 03:14 AM   #13 
  - This gun ownership being taken away by Dems is another canard.  caledesi   Nov-12-06 12:11 PM   #91 
     - Unless your guns look like this...  benEzra   Nov-13-06 09:22 AM   #151 
  - response to you from another thread, reposted here  cali   Nov-12-06 03:45 AM   #23 
  - And my response to your response from the other thread  jgraz   Nov-12-06 04:06 AM   #31 
  - We're not going to agree  cali   Nov-12-06 04:18 AM   #37 
     - Here's the real motivation for the OP  jgraz   Nov-12-06 04:22 AM   #38 
        - OK, got it.  cali   Nov-12-06 04:32 AM   #42 
  - Hate to tell you this....  Shakespeare   Nov-12-06 02:53 PM   #112 
  - sweet reading, jgraz. thank you for this list! eom  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 03:47 AM   #25 
  - i complimented too soon. please take the vulgar racist word  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 04:08 AM   #32 
  - Hmm..no Macaca, but "Honky" is OK...  jgraz   Nov-12-06 04:18 AM   #36 
     - That's how we won the race  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 04:33 AM   #43 
     - if you have to become a fascist to fight fascists, why fight them  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 07:41 AM   #75 
        - Oh my god  sandnsea   Nov-12-06 12:33 PM   #95 
     - not by me. but for those who use slurs, at least it slurs HIM and  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 07:34 AM   #73 
        - The problem is..  jgraz   Nov-12-06 08:13 AM   #77 
           - i appreciate your reply and thoughts on this. i lived in places  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 08:41 AM   #78 
  - Great post  malaise   Nov-12-06 04:09 AM   #33 
  - k&r  xchrom   Nov-12-06 05:06 AM   #53 
  - Uh-huh, and I'll bet all of their campaign ads  neebob   Nov-12-06 05:28 AM   #58 
  - who fuckin cares? why not direct the comments to someone who actually said this?  bigtree   Nov-12-06 06:06 AM   #61 
  - Wow -- such a helpful comment  jgraz   Nov-12-06 06:14 AM   #62 
     - contributing  bigtree   Nov-12-06 07:12 AM   #68 
        - Thanks -- that's a pretty good post  jgraz   Nov-12-06 07:23 AM   #72 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-12-06 06:33 AM   #63 
  - Why is this information important?? Read this:  jgraz   Nov-12-06 06:58 AM   #65 
  - very important post. thank you. eom  nofurylike   Nov-12-06 07:46 AM   #76 
  - Everyone won the election,  mmonk   Nov-12-06 07:03 AM   #66 
  - Not bullying and name calling  jgraz   Nov-12-06 07:20 AM   #71 
  - the pendulum is swinging back HARD! k&r  BlueEyedSon   Nov-12-06 07:37 AM   #74 
  - Too bad all those gay marriage bans passed, and Lamont lost CT handily  skipos   Nov-12-06 10:06 AM   #80 
  - Lamont loss is a great example of my point  jgraz   Nov-12-06 10:30 AM   #81 
  - Lamont got about as much help as our other candidates  skipos   Nov-12-06 10:57 AM   #84 
  - Republicans put sore loserman into power.  Pithy Cherub   Nov-12-06 11:01 AM   #85 
  - 27% of liberals, 53% of moderates and 66% of conservatives voted for Joe  skipos   Nov-12-06 11:12 AM   #86 
     - Makes the point Traitor Joe is not a Democrat. n/t  Pithy Cherub   Nov-12-06 11:17 AM   #87 
  - The Arizona gay marriage ban failed. nt  Clarkie1   Nov-12-06 08:23 PM   #127 
  - Lefty McLefterman. Now that's funny.  leeroysphits   Nov-12-06 10:43 AM   #82 
  - Excellent!  Pithy Cherub   Nov-12-06 10:57 AM   #83 
  - VG. Another great argument for neo-cons that are saying we  caledesi   Nov-12-06 12:00 PM   #89 
  - Absolutely  alarimer   Nov-12-06 12:08 PM   #90 
  - Do you REALLY think...  yibbehobba   Nov-12-06 12:18 PM   #92 
  - There is little evidence to argue either way  jgraz   Nov-12-06 12:44 PM   #96 
  - There's a lot of evidence.  Lurking Dem   Nov-12-06 01:37 PM   #100 
  - That doesn't make sense to me, either. nt  JudyM   Nov-12-06 02:33 PM   #109 
  - A mandate for liberalism?  Rosemary2205   Nov-12-06 12:19 PM   #93 
  - Funny how gay marriage is always first on the list...  jgraz   Nov-12-06 01:18 PM   #97 
     - I'm not denegrating anything.  Rosemary2205   Nov-12-06 01:31 PM   #99 
        - dead wrong, on so many levels  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 05:16 PM   #121 
  - In the End I would say Populism and Anti-Iraq won the day  Geek_Girl   Nov-12-06 12:20 PM   #94 
  - FORD - case in point....  sfwriter   Nov-12-06 01:29 PM   #98 
  - Pelosi and everyone call keep calling it centrist...  yebrent   Nov-12-06 02:03 PM   #102 
  - I'm with you on this...  jgraz   Nov-12-06 02:49 PM   #111 
     - Me too, as long as they keep moving progressive  Morereason   Nov-12-06 11:40 PM   #141 
  - K&R/nt  nam78_two   Nov-12-06 02:47 PM   #110 
  - yes n/t  28erl   Nov-12-06 02:59 PM   #113 
  - lol  jgraz   Nov-12-06 03:04 PM   #114 
  - Being anti-war is not a leftist position. Being pro stemcell is not moderate.  gully   Nov-12-06 03:08 PM   #115 
  - Is this pre-emptive credit grabbing or "post-emptive?"  gulliver   Nov-12-06 03:12 PM   #117 
  - huh?  jgraz   Nov-12-06 03:29 PM   #118 
     - That was a cheap shot. An ad hominem attack.  quantessd   Nov-12-06 05:22 PM   #122 
        - What? He's slamming me becase I don't have as many posts as he does???  jgraz   Nov-12-06 06:31 PM   #125 
  - Arizona became first state to defeat gay marriage ban. nt  Clarkie1   Nov-12-06 04:26 PM   #119 
  - Go Loebsack  pstans   Nov-12-06 05:52 PM   #123 
  - I love it! Leach was elected when I was a freshman there in College 30 years ago!  calipendence   Nov-12-06 11:58 PM   #143 
  - Progressive Populism RULES!  PassingFair   Nov-12-06 05:58 PM   #124 
  - But jgraz, those are all mainstream cnadidates. LOL  FogerRox   Nov-12-06 07:19 PM   #126 
  - They are now :)  jgraz   Nov-12-06 10:57 PM   #134 
     - I claim that mainstream issues from 40 yrs ago are still mainstream  FogerRox   Nov-13-06 12:57 AM   #147 
  - I hardly think most voters cared; they voted against corruption and lies  kdpeters   Nov-12-06 09:30 PM   #128 
  - An opportunity...  DAMANgoldberg   Nov-13-06 12:09 AM   #146 
  - You just have to have a liberal concept  ThoughtCriminal   Nov-12-06 10:08 PM   #129 
  - k/r  upi402   Nov-12-06 10:09 PM   #130 
  - This Is a Great Thread  Southpawkicker   Nov-12-06 10:10 PM   #131 
  - Strong post  Jcrowley   Nov-12-06 10:14 PM   #132 
  - Great list - I felt it but now I KNOW it. Thanks - recommended  williesgirl   Nov-12-06 10:16 PM   #133 
  - Actually, it was 42/42 in Dallas.  crispini   Nov-12-06 11:03 PM   #135 
  - I actually heard it on Thom Hartman (I think) but that's good news...  jgraz   Nov-12-06 11:15 PM   #137 
     - Here 'tis  crispini   Nov-13-06 05:49 AM   #150 
  - I think the public needed to focus on a few issues that the Dems were pushing...  calipendence   Nov-12-06 11:55 PM   #142 
  - It certainly wasn't a mandate for making nice with the bozos who  mhatrw   Nov-13-06 03:01 PM   #153 
 

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