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456. Oh, isn't Freddy "nasty" too?
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  -Elton John says organized religion encourages hatred of gays oberliner  Nov-11-06 11:20 PM   #0 
  - Sadly, it's hard to refute what he says...  Ken Burch   Nov-11-06 11:22 PM   #1 
  - I agree  daleo   Nov-11-06 11:23 PM   #2 
  - Yes, gays and so much more  Ishoutandscream2   Nov-11-06 11:24 PM   #3 
  - He ought to become a Wiccan, then  silverojo   Nov-11-06 11:42 PM   #4 
  - Exactly what I was thinking! nt  laheina   Nov-12-06 04:36 PM   #67 
  - why does he have to become anything?  donsu   Nov-13-06 11:31 AM   #409 
  - Religion is a wedge tool to hammer wedge issues. nt  valerief   Nov-11-06 11:58 PM   #5 
  - What?? Just because organized religion is about controlling the people-n/t  Bluestar   Nov-12-06 12:57 AM   #6 
  - Religion is not compassionate. Especially when it comes to marriage.  JackBeck   Nov-12-06 01:02 AM   #7 
  - Elton John is ignorant. Elton John is smearing with BROAD generalities.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 03:40 PM   #8 
  - Liberal Christians need to get out in the public square and let people know their views  Nikki Stone1   Nov-12-06 03:51 PM   #9 
  - Thanks for proving my point.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 03:54 PM   #11 
     - Can you cite the "statement after statement" from the mainline clergy?  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 03:56 PM   # 
     - Well, then here's a bit of "inspirational and illustration" for you  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:00 PM   #16 
        - Gays don't speak up for you as a person in poverty? How DARE you.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:03 PM   #23 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-12-06 04:13 PM   #34 
        - We don't all wear pink triangles. Are you really that simplistic?  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:14 PM   #38 
        - If it's not what "defines" you, then why is it necessary for your to  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:17 PM   #44 
           - .  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:18 PM   #47 
           - Now *that's* simplistic.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:23 PM   #54 
           - I think EJ should have said "many organized religions and sects".  Zhade   Nov-12-06 06:18 PM   #177 
           - Absolutely!! Very simple concept, eh? But, he'd rather make enemies, I guess.  bobbolink   Nov-13-06 02:49 PM   #432 
              - Honestly, I think he didn't think it through.  Zhade   Nov-14-06 12:07 AM   #466 
              - Boy can you lay it on thick  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-14-06 04:16 AM   #469 
           - Oh. My. Fucking. God.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:03 PM   #208 
           - .  Jamastiene   Nov-23-06 04:34 AM   #495 
           - You seem to have misread  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-06 12:54 AM   #360 
              - Yes, "... religion, when misused/misinterpreted/abused, leads to maltreatment of gays."  Sapphire Blue   Nov-13-06 11:16 AM   #406 
                 - And other forms of bigotry as well, such as class bigotry  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 12:21 PM   #417 
        - I wrote to my congresscritters.  donco6   Nov-12-06 04:29 PM   #60 
        - I thank you for your efforts.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:33 PM   #63 
           - You say that as if gays don't count among the poor.  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 04:55 PM   #102 
           - We should also focus on laws that discriminate against poor people.  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 12:26 PM   #418 
           - Gay people are all yuppies from New York City,  Kerrytravelers   Nov-13-06 10:32 PM   #463 
           - To be fair...  Dorian Gray   Nov-12-06 08:07 PM   #209 
           - True that  JNelson6563   Nov-13-06 11:30 AM   #408 
           - You do realize it's possible to be gay and poor, right?  Bouncy Ball   Nov-13-06 12:26 AM   #341 
        - That is blatently wrong  dsc   Nov-12-06 04:33 PM   #62 
        - Thank you. The response said "Class warfare"...right?  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:38 PM   #69 
           - No I don't  dsc   Nov-12-06 04:41 PM   #78 
              - My initial response was about Elton John's hateful words.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:44 PM   #85 
                 - you can blame Elton John until the cows come home and give birth to aliens  dsc   Nov-12-06 05:55 PM   #148 
                 - "The agenda"? Any more right wing talking points you'd like to throw in?  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 06:01 PM   #153 
                 - WHOSE agenda?  Zhade   Nov-12-06 06:20 PM   #180 
                 - "Elton John's hateful words"?  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 08:10 AM   #387 
                 - So Why Is There No Ban On Eating Shrimp? or Other Ridiculous BS In Leviticus?  we can do it   Nov-13-06 08:32 AM   #393 
                    - I don't know, why isn't there?  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 09:18 AM   #397 
                    - I forgot to quote the new testament ban on homosexuality.  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 09:25 AM   #398 
                    - Dr. David M. Carr's interpretation of I Corinithians 6:9-1  Sapphire Blue   Nov-13-06 11:03 AM   #405 
                    - Because Paul of Tarsus claimed Jesus came to him and told him  mondo joe   Nov-13-06 01:55 PM   #426 
                 - 1. Elton John was talking about religion in general, not Christianity specifically  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-14-06 05:03 AM   #473 
                 - What EJ said is TRUE. We are just quibbling about the scope.  TankLV   Nov-19-06 09:36 PM   #486 
        - You really don't want a dialogue, do you?  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 04:43 PM   #83 
        - It's a shame this post is so far upthread.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:52 PM   #99 
        - That's OK...  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 04:55 PM   #101 
           - You made some really good points, Sapphocrat.  Dorian Gray   Nov-12-06 08:11 PM   #211 
              - Thanks, DG, I appreciate that. :) n/t  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 08:20 PM   #217 
        - Just like Elton John "asked" if Christians support gays?  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 05:03 PM   #111 
        - Thanks for proving my point.  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 05:11 PM   #125 
        - So are you blaming Elton John for your behavior?  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 05:13 PM   #126 
        - sure!  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 05:57 PM   #150 
           - Since there are so many more Christians than Gays in the United States,  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 05:58 PM   #151 
           - Stop being so logical! LOL n/t  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 06:17 PM   #174 
           - Oh come now  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-14-06 04:55 AM   #472 
           - Those who forget history...  Karenina   Nov-12-06 06:17 PM   #173 
        - Elton John doesn't need to ask if Christians support gays  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-14-06 04:50 AM   #471 
        - Why are you bothering?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-14-06 04:27 AM   #470 
           - I bothered two days ago. LOL  Sapphocrat   Nov-14-06 02:06 PM   #479 
        - The pink triangles were used mainly for male gay people.  Jamastiene   Nov-12-06 06:04 PM   #156 
        - I know THAT'S bullshit, because I myself did kick and respond.  Zhade   Nov-12-06 06:17 PM   #175 
        - It sure doesn't sound as if you care...or count correctly...  MrsGrumpy   Nov-12-06 08:42 PM   #224 
        - then why are you fostering it?  noiretblu   Nov-13-06 12:28 AM   #345 
        - No "pink triangles" care about poverty?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-06 12:44 AM   #357 
        - Sickening post. I'm gay and I was on strike for 6 months last year fighting for labor rights  readmoreoften   Nov-13-06 01:34 AM   #367 
        - The Elton John Foundation responds to poverty and AIDS.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-13-06 02:06 AM   #373 
        - I post about poverty and class warfare all the time  theHandpuppet   Nov-13-06 07:30 AM   #386 
        - Thank you!  theHandpuppet   Nov-13-06 07:15 AM   #384 
        - "How DARE you poor people"  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 12:16 PM   #416 
        - I don't think you want to start comparing...  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 04:11 PM   #32 
        - I think the point trying to be made is  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:13 PM   #35 
        - You would have thought we would have learned that by hearing Muslims  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:18 PM   #46 
        - Oh, I understand the point.  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 04:24 PM   #56 
        - I would push back on that.  donco6   Nov-12-06 04:37 PM   #68 
        - Actually  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:41 PM   #81 
        - I was a Christian fundie for 15 years.  donco6   Nov-12-06 04:43 PM   #84 
           - All I've found so far  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 05:05 PM   #113 
        - "Banning organized religion sounds like a plan to me. "  Dorian Gray   Nov-12-06 08:14 PM   #214 
           - Yeah, when they make me king of the world.  donco6   Nov-12-06 09:48 PM   #238 
              - Damnit donco  Gelliebeans   Nov-13-06 04:45 PM   #434 
                 - 2 votes down, 5 billion to go.  donco6   Nov-13-06 05:16 PM   #436 
                    - Make it 3.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 07:20 PM   #445 
                       - Dontcha just MISS her??  donco6   Nov-14-06 08:19 AM   #475 
        - Read the bible and tell me that again.  Zhade   Nov-12-06 06:24 PM   #184 
        - Gee, Zhade, you mean, like...  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 07:20 PM   #204 
           - Oh, and there's SO many more instances of that stuff.  donco6   Nov-12-06 09:47 PM   #237 
        - Exactly, he could have made the point without saying he'd ban it  treestar   Nov-13-06 11:28 AM   #407 
        - Indeed.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:13 PM   #36 
        - Glad to hear it. Thank you.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:19 PM   #48 
        - If we go back THAT far... LOL ...  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 05:10 PM   #122 
           - What's it called now?  Dorian Gray   Nov-12-06 08:17 PM   #215 
              - Oops!  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 08:26 PM   #219 
        - Fine, then show it by joining in on the rare poverty posts that show up on DU  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:15 PM   #40 
           - 'That would be fine with me.' Obviously. nt  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:17 PM   #42 
           - So if we don't reply to a post, that means we don't support . . .  donco6   Nov-12-06 04:39 PM   #74 
           - It is certainly indicative of religionist's priorities in terms of dealing with...  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 05:10 PM   #124 
           - I don't need to have my credentials approved by you. I vote for candidates  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 04:41 PM   #80 
           - Do gay DUers with pro-labor icons count?  readmoreoften   Nov-13-06 01:45 AM   #368 
        - I voted to increase the minimum wage here in Colo.  donco6   Nov-12-06 04:26 PM   #58 
        - Well, I am gay and poor, so I need it twice.  Jamastiene   Nov-12-06 06:01 PM   #154 
        - And if you're gay, poor AND Christian you will be able to shatter the weird little  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 06:04 PM   #157 
           - I'm 2 of the three and my aunt, who is gay and poor too, is all three  Jamastiene   Nov-12-06 06:11 PM   #164 
           - What about bi, middle class and Christian?  Bouncy Ball   Nov-13-06 12:27 AM   #344 
              - That's good enough.  Jamastiene   Nov-23-06 04:37 AM   #496 
        - What on Earth are you talking about?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-06 12:33 AM   #351 
     - bobbolink, The Anglican church has almost split over gay rights, gay clergy  Nikki Stone1   Nov-12-06 04:05 PM   #25 
     - .....  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:10 PM   #29 
     - in reality MOST LARGE CHRISTIAN INSTITUTIONS ARE OUTRIGHT HOSTILE TO GAY PERSONS.  TankLV   Nov-19-06 09:51 PM   #489 
     - Where are these statements by any mainline clergy on  Jamastiene   Nov-12-06 05:56 PM   #149 
     - What does your poverty have to do with anything?  readmoreoften   Nov-13-06 01:29 AM   #365 
     - How about this kind of support? On the steps of the Cannon House Office Bldg?  Sapphire Blue   Nov-13-06 12:14 PM   #415 
  - I agree. He's using a broad brush when he would surely complain about  DemBones DemBones   Nov-12-06 03:53 PM   #10 
  - Thank you! YES!!  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 03:56 PM   #12 
     - he's not talking about YOU  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 05:06 PM   # 
        - Elton would BAN religion completely, your church, my church,  DemBones DemBones   Nov-12-06 06:45 PM   #194 
           - wow...elton must be a god  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 06:51 PM   #196 
           - And he is after all the Head Gay.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 07:01 PM   #199 
              - let's see: he's not a politician like santorum (was)  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 07:07 PM   #202 
           - on another note  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 06:53 PM   #197 
           - And there's some poor bloke . . .  donco6   Nov-12-06 10:50 PM   #275 
  - Well, look at Jerusalem  LeftCoast   Nov-12-06 04:02 PM   #19 
  - Yes, you can find examples everywhere to prove your point.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:04 PM   #24 
     - So you admit I proved my point?  LeftCoast   Nov-12-06 04:08 PM   #28 
     - Also remember, Elton John is The Head Gay.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:10 PM   #30 
     - Sure. All Christians are out to get you.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:20 PM   #51 
        - 'Let me know how you like it when we all pull back from support for you.'  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:22 PM   #53 
        - "with all due respect"???????  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:27 PM   #59 
        - You consider your a post like this one "respectful"?  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:38 PM   #70 
           - This whole thread was extremely disrespectful, but that seems to  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:46 PM   #91 
              - Which is typical for DU. Which is typical for DU. Which is typical for DU.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:51 PM   #97 
              - War against christians. War against christians. War against christians.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:29 PM   #220 
                 - DRUDGE! Bring up that flashing police light!  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 08:29 PM   #221 
                    - I see we're starting the '08 swiftboating campaign early.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 09:42 PM   #236 
              - Yes - YOU - YOU are the disrespectful one here... YOU  TankLV   Nov-19-06 09:56 PM   #490 
        - So, let's see... you've noticed gays getting shit on DU, but you don't notice poor  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:30 PM   #61 
           - You seem to be an extremely troubled person.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:36 PM   #66 
              - OK, Dr. Laura.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:41 PM   #79 
                 - I'm no Dr. Laura, but you seem to have a problem with anger management  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:44 PM   #86 
                    - But you play her on TV, right?  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:47 PM   #92 
                       - No, I am male. Unless you think gays have gender problems too.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:48 PM   #93 
                          - I'm not the one who's labeling people sight unseen.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:51 PM   #98 
                             - You already labeled gays as not caring about poverty.  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 04:57 PM   #104 
                                - Good try.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:58 PM   #107 
                                   - Here's your quote:  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 05:05 PM   #114 
                                   - Yes, that was a later reply, after much attack.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 05:07 PM   #119 
                                   - So did you say it or not?  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 05:10 PM   #123 
                                      - chirp chirp chirp chirp  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:00 PM   #286 
                                      - He said it. How can you not admit to a hateful thing you've said when it's documented ONLINE.  readmoreoften   Nov-13-06 01:48 AM   #369 
                                   - Here's a clue for you - we don't all go around defining our whole fucking lives as just GAY.  TankLV   Nov-19-06 10:00 PM   #491 
                                   - public support from churches that gays enjoy?  TankLV   Nov-19-06 10:07 PM   #492 
        - And we'll notice that . . . how exactly? eom  donco6   Nov-12-06 04:40 PM   #77 
        - ehehehehehehehe  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:46 PM   #90 
        - Ah, grasshopper...  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 05:16 PM   #130 
        - Aw, you just couldn't see them from your vantage point.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:09 PM   #210 
           - After picking myself out of the treads, right?  donco6   Nov-12-06 08:12 PM   #212 
              - You're just whining because it rained the last three days.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:17 PM   #216 
        - Sure. All gays are out to get you too.  Jamastiene   Nov-12-06 06:50 PM   #195 
        - Nice threat  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 08:18 AM   #388 
     - really, please cite some of those examples, please?  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 07:04 PM   #201 
  - I agree as well...  Hatalles   Nov-12-06 04:02 PM   #21 
  - Presbyterians as a denom don't accept gays.  donco6   Nov-12-06 04:23 PM   #55 
  - Damn straight!  StopThePendulum   Nov-12-06 07:51 PM   #207 
  - He is not saying all religious people are hateful............  springhill   Nov-13-06 01:23 AM   #362 
  - Stop Smearing Mussolini With Broad Generalities!  DrunkenMaster   Nov-13-06 01:32 PM   #424 
  - That's Because Many Churches Preach Bigotry  stepnw1f   Nov-13-06 06:31 PM   #442 
  - Organized religion also encourages lack of rational thought.  Oregonian   Nov-12-06 03:56 PM   #13 
  - Nah. There's only one reason: It's stupid.  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 03:58 PM   #15 
  - You're so right.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:02 PM   #18 
  - that's not what he said  Bill McBlueState   Nov-12-06 05:07 PM   #118 
  - Oh me, oh my  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:06 PM   #27 
     - That's what I say when references to Jesus and God are  Oregonian   Nov-12-06 04:11 PM   #33 
        - Except that your statements are provably false.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:14 PM   #37 
        - People have been telling the non-religious to shut up and play along for a long time.  Oregonian   Nov-12-06 04:17 PM   #43 
        - So, you feel offended and are tired of it  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:19 PM   #49 
        - I have the right to say I think religion encourages and depends upon  Oregonian   Nov-12-06 04:24 PM   #57 
           - Of course you have the right to say it.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:34 PM   #64 
           - Not to mention the Muslims and the Irish monastic orders  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 12:54 PM   #421 
           - If someone is allowed to say that religion does NOT conflict with rationality....  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 04:35 PM   #65 
              - Who said it was impermissible?  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:39 PM   #73 
              - ROFLMAO!!!! Good one! You should take that show on the road! lolol!  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 04:40 PM   #76 
                 - Yeah, I need a sideshow clown  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 04:42 PM   #82 
                    - Aw shit. You're just a one-hit wonder who just does covers afterward? Damn.  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 04:46 PM   #89 
                       - Yeah, well, tried to keep it fresh  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 05:06 PM   #116 
              - No, Kant argued that reason itself was limited!  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 12:59 PM   #422 
        - Not *all* people, OK? That's the problem with Elton John!  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:40 PM   #75 
        - OK, I'll bite.  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 08:23 AM   #390 
           - No one said anything about  GirlinContempt   Nov-13-06 10:28 AM   #400 
              - But yours is a non-answer.  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 10:34 AM   #402 
                 - I think it does answer that charge.  GirlinContempt   Nov-13-06 10:56 AM   #404 
                 - According to Adam Smith, the founder of Paleo-Liberalism, rationality = selfishness.  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 01:08 PM   #423 
        - What about references to the flag?  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 12:50 PM   #420 
  - Yeah, and that fact is news to whom, exactly?  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 03:57 PM   #14 
  - Elton John, theologian.  ulysses   Nov-12-06 04:00 PM   #17 
  - Elton John, Department of Divide and Conquer  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:03 PM   #22 
     - I think you have that quotation wrong  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 08:26 AM   #391 
  - "Organized' religion promotes hatred of LOTS of groups  SoCalDem   Nov-12-06 04:02 PM   #20 
  - I love your righteous evolution! nt  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:05 PM   #26 
  - Don't the major religions condemn Homosexuals?  Disturbed   Nov-12-06 04:14 PM   #39 
  - You are so very wrong.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:22 PM   #52 
  - Bobbolink, yes, most mainline religions condemn gays.  donco6   Nov-12-06 05:01 PM   #109 
     - No, you're wrong.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 05:06 PM   #115 
        - I see, when you express it that way . . .  donco6   Nov-12-06 05:16 PM   #129 
        - yes, differences...^_^  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 05:55 PM   #147 
           - One openly gay bishop  ThomCat   Nov-13-06 07:17 AM   #385 
              - Thanks for your words.  bobbolink   Nov-13-06 02:45 PM   #430 
                 - I'm not going to condemn Elton John for being mostly right  ThomCat   Nov-13-06 05:53 PM   #438 
                    - NEW POTD !!!  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 08:31 PM   #451 
                    - THanks for shitting on my olive branch.  bobbolink   Nov-13-06 09:05 PM   #460 
                       - ...  sniffa   Nov-17-06 05:05 PM   #484 
        - I call bullshit  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 08:20 AM   #389 
        - Since you won't get an answer, GM, I'll try to help her out here...  Sapphocrat   Nov-13-06 05:12 PM   #435 
           - She posted one measly article in the thread in R/T.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 08:33 PM   #452 
        - "But the bulk of the mainline Christians are in support of gays"  TankLV   Nov-19-06 10:15 PM   #493 
  - Most "organized " religions are against ANYTHING that is not  SoCalDem   Nov-12-06 04:38 PM   #71 
  - E.g., sound and free thinking.  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 04:56 PM   #103 
  - the bible says we should be put to death. NICE BOOK!!  jonnyblitz   Nov-12-06 04:39 PM   #72 
  - STOP!  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:45 PM   #87 
     - Wonderful. Truth = bashing. Sigh.  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 04:58 PM   #106 
  - No. It isn't the case. (n/t)  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 04:48 PM   #94 
     - Yes it is. eom  donco6   Nov-12-06 05:02 PM   #110 
        - Perhaps you should support your claim? (n/t)  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 05:08 PM   #120 
           - I supported it as much as you did.  donco6   Nov-12-06 05:18 PM   #132 
              - I didn't realize that Christianity was the only "major religion."  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 05:25 PM   #140 
                 - Guess so. eom  donco6   Nov-12-06 05:31 PM   #143 
                    - Oh, you haven't seen anything.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:21 PM   #218 
                       - Yes, religion is neutral on homophobia.  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 10:32 PM   #260 
                          - Sure it is.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:42 PM   #267 
                          - Good for you.  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 10:57 PM   #281 
                             - Ask Southpawkicker, he'll be more than happy to explain it.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:04 PM   #290 
                                - How did you come to that conclusion?  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 11:24 PM   #300 
                                - Hey, you're the one questioning whether liberal believers rejected religious intolerance.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:35 PM   #301 
                                   - Because you seem to be arguing that religion is inherently homophobic.  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 11:57 PM   #316 
                                      - Not ALL religion is inherently homophobic and I never said it was.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:00 AM   # 
                                         - But in the ACTUAL world that we ACTUALLY live in it ACTUALLY is....  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:06 AM   #323 
                                         - Yeah, he did piss in some cornflakes, didn't he?  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:13 AM   #330 
                                         - plus all the homo jokes and inuendos and snickers that are sanctioned...  TankLV   Nov-19-06 10:23 PM   #494 
                                         - Then why attack me for saying that religion as a category is neutral on the question?  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:13 AM   #329 
                                            - You just don't get it, do you?  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:15 AM   #332 
                                            - Do you really think absent religion they wouldn't be?  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:18 AM   #335 
                                            - The idea that religion didn't aid, abet, amplify, and exacerbate such evils...  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:22 AM   #338 
                                            - I don't deal in what if's.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:22 AM   #339 
                                            - I'm convinced he gets it. He just thinks like a religionist - if you say something...  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:20 AM   #337 
                                            - He claims he's a pagan.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:23 AM   #340 
                                            - I believe in religious tolerance  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:27 AM   #343 
                                            - (shrug) Talking is inherently personal. I don't have any good ideas how to get around that.  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:29 AM   #346 
                                            - Well, here are some suggestions  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:33 AM   #350 
                                            - I appreciate your effort - here's my problem...  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:37 AM   #352 
                                            - Would you care to point at the claims that are lies or idiotic?  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:41 AM   #355 
                                            - Of course not. It's purely hypothetical. 100%.  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:42 AM   #356 
                                            - And I don't?  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:39 AM   #353 
                                - Sure, Ask Me Anything!  Southpawkicker   Nov-19-06 08:54 PM   #485 
                          - What PLANET are you from? Haven't you read Leviticus?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Nov-17-06 12:52 PM   #483 
  - HATRED has killed more people on earth than anything else...  MrsGrumpy   Nov-12-06 09:10 PM   #232 
  - Not all organized religions believe they have "the one true way." (n/t)  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 10:46 PM   #269 
  - organized religion isn't so fond of women either  donsu   Nov-13-06 11:36 AM   #410 
     - Yes, and I've been told I should be grateful that religious people  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 08:36 PM   #453 
  - No shocker here  SwingVoter2006   Nov-12-06 04:11 PM   #31 
  - Oh, it's no shocker, you're right.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:16 PM   #41 
  - And where did you get THAT talking point?  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 04:17 PM   #45 
  - All that was missing was a reference to Streisand. nt  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:19 PM   #50 
  - You read my mind!  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 04:49 PM   #95 
  - Oh yeah, . . .  donco6   Nov-12-06 05:04 PM   #112 
     - WHY, oh why hasn't this troll been tombstoned yet?  kath   Nov-12-06 10:49 PM   #274 
        - Got me.  donco6   Nov-12-06 10:58 PM   #283 
        - Because he is a SWING VOTER! We NEED him!  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:59 PM   #317 
        - Preaching to the choir -- but THANK YOU for saying it!  LostinVA   Nov-13-06 06:24 AM   #382 
        - Funny, I ran across this thread doing a search!  Kerrytravelers   Nov-13-06 09:55 PM   #462 
  - Maybe if rightwingers were more creative  ruggerson   Nov-12-06 04:49 PM   #96 
  - How did Bill O'Reilly get a DU membership? n/t  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 04:59 PM   #108 
  - Spoken directly from the right wing's playbook.  Jamastiene   Nov-12-06 06:34 PM   #190 
  - Nice talking points  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-06 01:24 AM   #363 
     - Most Democrats are Christians and would take offense to Elton's comments  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-13-06 07:29 PM   #447 
        - Christian Democrat here, NOT offended by Sir Elton's comments.  Sapphire Blue   Nov-13-06 08:29 PM   #450 
        - Thank you.  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-06 11:29 PM   #465 
        - The truth hurts, doesn't it?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-06 11:22 PM   #464 
           - I personally couldn't care less about his comments  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-14-06 02:11 PM   #480 
              - .....  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-15-06 12:02 AM   #481 
  - "Really hateful lemmings"  WritingIsMyReligion   Nov-12-06 04:46 PM   #88 
  - Right. It was organized atheists who formed the Abolition Movement.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 04:55 PM   #100 
  - Organized Atheists! Organized Atheists! Organized Atheists!  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 04:57 PM   #105 
  - the slave trade was also justified and excused by religionists  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 05:10 PM   #121 
  - So, can't we take from this  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 05:13 PM   #127 
  - If you were talking about a medication that had no impact one way or the  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 05:17 PM   #131 
  - I think it has impact both ways.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 05:19 PM   #133 
  - Really? It seems to make no difference one way or the other.  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 05:21 PM   #139 
     - You know, I really have no idea how one would measure that.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 05:26 PM   #141 
        - Doesn't matter to me. But if having a religion is powerful, or even true,  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 05:45 PM   #146 
           - So come up with a system of measurement.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 06:09 PM   #160 
              - I could offer some suggestions, but no organized religion will have a good  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 06:11 PM   #162 
                 - Without a system  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 06:18 PM   #176 
                    - I'll count my own impressions as my system.  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 06:26 PM   #185 
                       - I wouldn't ask anyone to take it up.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 07:37 PM   #206 
  - ZING! eom  donco6   Nov-12-06 05:20 PM   #134 
  - That's asinine. I cite the history of humanity as evidence....  BlooInBloo   Nov-12-06 05:20 PM   #135 
  - Uh, ok?  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 05:21 PM   #138 
  - absolutely...however, recall those folks here in america  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 05:35 PM   #144 
     - you speak my mind,  ulysses   Nov-12-06 06:07 PM   #159 
     - a lot of life happened  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 06:12 PM   #166 
        - good to see you back, at any rate.  ulysses   Nov-12-06 06:21 PM   #181 
     - I don't disagree that there are people who deserve this  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 06:12 PM   #165 
        - if anti-gay initiative hadn't just passed in this election  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 06:16 PM   #172 
           - Except Elton John isn't American  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 06:22 PM   #182 
           - do you have to be american  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 06:30 PM   #187 
              - No, of course you don't  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 07:36 PM   #205 
                 - my friend in germany  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 09:57 PM   #241 
                    - Ok, if that's what he said it was about  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:08 PM   #246 
           - Sir Elton is in England.  Karenina   Nov-12-06 06:34 PM   #189 
              - thanks for that information  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 06:42 PM   #193 
              - PRECISELY !  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:00 PM   #243 
                 - Oh crimeny  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:15 PM   #248 
                    - Right, this is an Elton John appreciation thread.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:21 PM   #253 
                    - You know what,  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:26 PM   #256 
                       - I heartily concur with everything you said  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 10:40 PM   #265 
                       - Yes, that's right, focus on criticizing Elton John instead of the religious bigots.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:44 PM   #268 
                          - It's not either or.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:49 PM   #273 
                          - Wow.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:56 PM   #280 
                          - I have a surprising amount of free time.  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 11:01 PM   #288 
                             - Oh, but the religious right doesn't preach intolerance of homosexuals.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:07 PM   #292 
                                - RELIGION is neutral on homosexuality.  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 11:44 PM   #305 
                                   - Nice attempt to misrepresent my meaning.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:49 PM   #309 
                                      - When you attacked me for saying that religion was neutral?  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:03 AM   #320 
                                         - Oh enough with the hyperbole.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:08 AM   #325 
                                         - I guess that's not supposed to be an attack.  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:15 AM   #331 
                                         - See my post #322. n/t  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:16 AM   #334 
                       - Well, if the christians have to claim the Pope, I guess we're stuck with you.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:40 PM   #266 
                          - I don't live in the US.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:47 PM   #270 
                             - Nasty and bigoted? You're referring to the homophobic christians, I presume.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:55 PM   #279 
                             - It is nasty.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:57 PM   #282 
                                - Yes and it's just ever so icky too!  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:59 PM   #285 
                             - some of us have no more cheeks to turn  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 10:59 PM   #284 
                                - Hey, trust me  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 11:03 PM   #289 
                                   - fair enuf  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 11:22 PM   #297 
                    - posted downstream  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 10:49 PM   #272 
  - Still is justified and excused by some, too.  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 05:20 PM   #136 
  - hey, sapphocrat  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 05:36 PM   #145 
  - completely true.  bobbolink   Nov-12-06 05:59 PM   #152 
  - A group of atheists? Sure - many of the founding fathers.  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 06:05 PM   #158 
  - do you seriously believe there were no atheists who worked to end slavery?  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 06:10 PM   #161 
  - What "organized atheists" did so? You don't like bashing of atheists as a group?  bobbolink   Nov-13-06 02:41 PM   #429 
     - Wipe the spittle off your monitor and read what you just posted.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 08:40 PM   #454 
  - I'll point to just one atheist...  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 06:40 PM   #192 
  - And I can point to more than "just one" religious person who has supported you!!  bobbolink   Nov-13-06 02:48 PM   #431 
  - Atheists who have done as much for civil rights and more:  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:42 PM   #225 
  - See, this is what I love most about politcally-active atheists:  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 09:09 PM   #231 
  - No, you stay right where you are (or is that left?) :)  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 09:19 PM   #233 
     - I hate to disappoint you, bmus  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 10:26 PM   #255 
        - I'm not disappointed at all.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:33 PM   #261 
  - I See The Reward As Being In The Doing  Southpawkicker   Nov-12-06 09:58 PM   #242 
     - I'd wager that almost all liberal believers do it for the same reason.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:27 PM   #257 
        - Yes, BMUS but Theologians have always argued, going back before Xtianity,  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 01:52 PM   #425 
           - Tell it to the theists who claim they would become immoral beasts without it.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 08:44 PM   #455 
  - As I scrolled through this thread, I was waiting for it  Goblinmonger   Nov-13-06 08:27 AM   #392 
  - bingo. Especially Christians  ComerPerro   Nov-12-06 06:13 PM   #170 
  - Christian enslaved and Christianns fought it. Basically Christianity seems  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 05:15 PM   #128 
  - In aggregate, that's true.  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 05:21 PM   #137 
  - no kidding. Lets not forget that it was Christians who had slaves  ComerPerro   Nov-12-06 06:13 PM   #168 
     - Allow me to break up your consecutive posts...  Karenina   Nov-12-06 06:22 PM   #183 
        - are you saying  noiretblu   Nov-12-06 06:39 PM   #191 
  - Last time I checked, slavery wasn't wrong until Moses realized he was a Jew  ComerPerro   Nov-12-06 06:12 PM   #167 
  - ...  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 07:00 PM   #198 
  - I am dead serious. That always bothered me  ComerPerro   Nov-12-06 07:01 PM   #200 
     - I know you are, CP.  Sapphocrat   Nov-12-06 07:17 PM   #203 
  - Better perhaps: He never recognized slavery as wrong per se....  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:09 AM   #326 
  - Yes, and it was christian theology that was used  ThomCat   Nov-13-06 07:08 AM   #383 
  - Ban Religion complety?  mesobob   Nov-12-06 05:07 PM   #117 
  - There's a whole lot of truth to that  Mr_Spock   Nov-12-06 05:31 PM   #142 
  - k/r  upi402   Nov-12-06 06:03 PM   #155 
  - every argument against gay marraige is rooted in religous views  ComerPerro   Nov-12-06 06:11 PM   #163 
  - not true.  ulysses   Nov-12-06 06:20 PM   #179 
  - Sir Elton is spot on. Particularly concerning the Catholic Church.  terrya   Nov-12-06 06:13 PM   #169 
  - ...duh?  Zhade   Nov-12-06 06:16 PM   #171 
  - I work at San Francisco Airport...  pink-o   Nov-12-06 06:20 PM   #178 
  - I think the word I'm looking for here is 'Duh'. :)  DarkTirade   Nov-12-06 06:26 PM   #186 
  - LMAO  ComerPerro   Nov-12-06 06:31 PM   #188 
  - Oh, dear.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:13 PM   #213 
  - LOL! Best post on this entire thread!  ThomCat   Nov-12-06 08:35 PM   #222 
  - But religion has absolutely nothing to do with it.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:51 PM   #227 
  - but BMUS, those aren't (((REAL))) christians...  jonnyblitz   Nov-12-06 08:56 PM   #228 
     - D'oh!  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 09:37 PM   #235 
     - What a wonderful thing - to define words themselves so that you're always the good guy...  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:13 AM   #328 
  - 2nd-ed.  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:11 AM   #327 
  - To me the point one should make to Elton John is that;  The Straight Story   Nov-12-06 08:43 PM   #226 
  - Stop trying to make him out to be the intolerant one.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 08:59 PM   #229 
  - His point is also about world peace, not only sexuality....  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 09:02 PM   #230 
  - Well, let's see, who is more justified in using the brush?  donco6   Nov-12-06 09:33 PM   #234 
  - Speaking of the Inquisition, I hear that wasn't caused by religion either.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 09:50 PM   #239 
     - Oh yeah, I remember that logic.  donco6   Nov-12-06 09:51 PM   #240 
     - And even if religion didn't CAUSE the inquisition, it didn't do a damn thing to prevent  mondo joe   Nov-12-06 10:00 PM   #244 
     - Where Did You Hear That?  Southpawkicker   Nov-12-06 10:08 PM   #247 
        - I just remembered why I lurve you so much, SPK.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:16 PM   #249 
           - Almost As Dangerous  Southpawkicker   Nov-12-06 10:19 PM   #251 
  - It's not a good analogy or comparison  ruggerson   Nov-12-06 10:01 PM   #245 
  - I can show you a gay man who says he wants to ban my beliefs  The Straight Story   Nov-12-06 10:17 PM   #250 
     - That was me.  donco6   Nov-12-06 10:28 PM   #259 
     - Just don't start singing like Yoko Ono.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 10:34 PM   #262 
        - LOL! Singing? Is *that* what that is? eom  donco6   Nov-12-06 10:35 PM   #263 
           - Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss me love!  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 10:39 PM   #264 
     - A remark  ruggerson   Nov-12-06 11:01 PM   #287 
  - You missed the point, I think.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:20 PM   #252 
  - Who did what "worse and first"?  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 10:23 PM   #254 
  - "Religion"  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:27 PM   #258 
  - She's comparing the way religion was used to persecute gays to Elton John's statement.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 10:48 PM   #271 
     - Wow.  GirlinContempt   Nov-12-06 10:50 PM   #276 
     - No, dearie, I live in the bible belt, people like you are the ones in la la land.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:16 PM   #293 
     - Where are all the "mainstream" holy men when Falwell & Robertson spout off?  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 10:51 PM   #277 
        - Nothing says tolerance like comparing his remarks to those of Fred Phelps.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:19 PM   #295 
        - No one compared him to Fred Phelps but you.  GirlinContempt   Nov-13-06 10:29 AM   #401 
           - Oh, isn't Freddy "nasty" too?  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 08:46 PM   #456 
        - Plenty did.  kiahzero   Nov-12-06 11:23 PM   #298 
        - Maybe SOME of them would.  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:42 PM   #304 
           - You really think DUers would endorse attacking liberals?  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:00 AM   #318 
              - What the hell are you talking about?  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:05 AM   #322 
                 - I didn't say his sentiment was unforgivable  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:19 AM   #336 
                    - You're busted.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:26 AM   #342 
                       - I didn't condemn him.  kiahzero   Nov-13-06 12:30 AM   #347 
        - Maybe they did and the MSM did not pay any attention  treestar   Nov-13-06 12:03 PM   #414 
  - i think you missed the point  noiretblu   Nov-13-06 11:38 AM   #411 
     - As long as some people are going to insist...  Sapphocrat   Nov-13-06 08:23 PM   #449 
  - ITA, you've summed this up well, he ignores that there are religious  treestar   Nov-13-06 11:47 AM   #413 
     - "Equal" intolerance ??? Equal ??? EQUAL ???  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 08:48 PM   #457 
  - LOL  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-06 03:26 AM   #380 
  - This is pretty clear to me.  Unvanguard   Nov-12-06 08:41 PM   #223 
  - Whoops, almost missed you there.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 02:01 AM   #372 
  - What did he say that was false?  boolean   Nov-12-06 10:51 PM   #278 
  - Would you appreciate someone pointing out the elephant in the room...  BlooInBloo   Nov-13-06 12:15 AM   #333 
     - POTD !!!  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 02:30 AM   #377 
  - Elton and Brittney should do a Sunday Morning Show  gulliver   Nov-12-06 11:04 PM   #291 
  - I take it you don't agree with his premise.  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:22 PM   #296 
     - I agree with his premise.  gulliver   Nov-12-06 11:56 PM   #314 
  - that's just silly Elton  hfojvt   Nov-12-06 11:18 PM   #294 
  - "But he will not hear that kind of message at your average ... Catholic church."  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:23 PM   #299 
     - neither of those messages is likely to come up  hfojvt   Nov-12-06 11:36 PM   #302 
     - Sorry, but Boston area Catholic churches were being URGED from the PULPIT  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:47 PM   #306 
     - like the guy in your avatar sings in his most famous song  jonnyblitz   Nov-12-06 11:48 PM   #307 
     - "why John Lennon was as vile as that uppity homo Elton John, eh?"  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:55 PM   #313 
        - I said Elton was silly, not vile  hfojvt   Nov-13-06 12:08 AM   #324 
     - delete  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:51 PM   #310 
     - 11/06: Bishop ORDERS churches to play his homily urging yes vote on gay marriage ban  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:56 PM   #315 
     - Oh, can I play too?  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:38 PM   #303 
     - Pope: Gays can never have a 'deep love' like heterosexuals. nt  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:48 PM   #308 
     - Well isn't he the enlightened one?  beam me up scottie   Nov-12-06 11:51 PM   #311 
     - fascinating  hfojvt   Nov-13-06 12:30 AM   #349 
        - The Vatican makes the policies, no?  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 12:51 AM   #359 
     - 21 churches take out newspaper ad to endorse gay marriage ban  Bluebear   Nov-12-06 11:54 PM   #312 
     - and in liberal Wisconsin too. Tsk. Tsk.  hfojvt   Nov-13-06 12:45 AM   #358 
     - Calgary's bishop orders letter read in EVERY church to "STAMP OUT" gay marriage  Bluebear   Nov-13-06 12:01 AM   #319 
     - in retrospect, mentioning Catholics seems to have been a mistake  hfojvt   Nov-13-06 01:06 AM   #361 
        - :)  Bluebear   Nov-13-06 01:27 AM   #364 
        - I agree with Bluebear.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 01:59 AM   #370 
        - Well  GirlinContempt   Nov-13-06 02:15 AM   #375 
     - US Catholics prez. introduces letter to Senate (via Allard-R) re: DOMA  Bluebear   Nov-13-06 12:03 AM   #321 
  - Even the Unitarian Universalist church?  Bouncy Ball   Nov-13-06 12:30 AM   #348 
  - Decidedly NOT them. They are also called heretics though. nt  Bluebear   Nov-13-06 01:30 AM   #366 
  - he is very much correct  Skittles   Nov-13-06 12:39 AM   #354 
  - Elton was not accurate. MOST organized religion encourages hatred of gays.  readmoreoften   Nov-13-06 02:00 AM   #371 
  - Some stats to back you up:  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 02:10 AM   #374 
  - If you believe the bible  undergroundpanther   Nov-13-06 02:22 AM   #376 
  - You bring up some of the same points as Sam Harris.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 02:32 AM   #378 
  - Those are some glaring statistics, my friend.  readmoreoften   Nov-13-06 06:26 PM   #441 
     - Yep, haven't seen anyone try to refute them either.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 07:03 PM   #444 
  - Can you please strike Wicca from the "Organized Religion" list?  Solon   Nov-13-06 03:24 AM   #379 
     - I know  undergroundpanther   Nov-13-06 03:29 PM   #433 
     - Sure. I just wanted to include Wiccan beliefs. How about disorganized religion?  readmoreoften   Nov-13-06 06:23 PM   #440 
  - Oh, who will defend poor powerless organized religion  6000eliot   Nov-13-06 03:51 AM   #381 
  - It's hard to argue with him  AngryOldDem   Nov-13-06 08:40 AM   #394 
  - It all depends on the religion and the individual church/denomination  noonwitch   Nov-13-06 08:51 AM   #395 
  - Whatever, Elton......  Darth_Kitten   Nov-13-06 09:16 AM   #396 
  - Apparently they're very popular here, though  spoony   Nov-13-06 06:51 PM   #443 
     - Really? Point them out.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 08:51 PM   #458 
     - Feigned ignorance is the dumbest approach to an argument  spoony   Nov-14-06 01:31 AM   #467 
     - Gosh, your post brings what word to mind?  Puglover   Nov-14-06 06:06 AM   #474 
        - You don't know anything about me  spoony   Nov-14-06 11:31 AM   #476 
           - Believe me Spoony.  Puglover   Nov-14-06 12:56 PM   #478 
  - that's why I am a unitarian universalist  jpwhite   Nov-13-06 10:06 AM   #399 
  - Organized Religions Suck. Period.  DrunkenMaster   Nov-13-06 10:39 AM   #403 
  - a great post to end this thread with  donsu   Nov-13-06 11:39 AM   #412 
  - BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  cboy4   Nov-13-06 01:59 PM   #427 
  - Actually, if we'd started with it, it would have been.  donco6   Nov-13-06 05:18 PM   #437 
  - Occam's Razor  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-13-06 02:17 PM   #428 
     - Just like Newton!  DrunkenMaster   Nov-13-06 06:04 PM   #439 
  - I belong to no organized religion. I am a Religious Scientist.  KamaAina   Nov-13-06 12:46 PM   #419 
  - "What's up, Elton? Rug on too tight or something?"  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 09:01 PM   #459 
     - Those odious quotes both come from one of the many organized religions  KamaAina   Nov-14-06 12:33 PM   #477 
  - Why should anyone care...  majorjohn   Nov-13-06 07:22 PM   #446 
  - well good for him if he did say it  pitohui   Nov-13-06 07:41 PM   #448 
  - The Brits are allowed to criticize religion.  beam me up scottie   Nov-13-06 09:06 PM   #461 
  - You agree with the banning of religion as John said? n/t  spoony   Nov-14-06 04:05 AM   #468 
  - I think he's right to a point  last_texas_dem   Nov-15-06 12:19 AM   #482 
  - organised religion  iamthebandfanman   Nov-19-06 09:39 PM   #487 
  - Organized religion is neither.  flvegan   Nov-19-06 09:50 PM   #488 
 

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