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Fri Nov-10-06 08:40 AM
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| 126. And convince them to quit USING THE DAMNED WORD!!! |
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We don't have "lifestyles;" we have LIVES! "Lifestyles" are about furniture and other such consumer choices.
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| -Do we have a chance to change attitudes toward gays? |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 06:19 PM |
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I think the most important thing to do is to convince people that being gay is not a lifestyle |
Sapere aude |
Nov-09-06 06:22 PM |
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So how do we do that? |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 06:41 PM |
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Tell them. Face to face. |
baby_mouse |
Nov-09-06 07:47 PM |
#30 |
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Will they believe you ... |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 08:00 PM |
#33 |
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It may depend on how you approach it |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-09-06 10:11 PM |
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Absolutely |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-09-06 10:16 PM |
#51 |
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Bullshit. That's the most irrelevant issue in the whole shebang. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-09-06 07:59 PM |
#32 |
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Lifestyle choice or not |
OnionPatch |
Nov-10-06 08:33 AM |
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And convince them to quit USING THE DAMNED WORD!!! |
eridani |
Nov-10-06 08:40 AM |
#126 |
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Haggard's letter to his church |
iwillalwayswonderwhy |
Nov-10-06 09:23 AM |
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only if anti-gays cannot make money off it or fear monger it |
msongs |
Nov-09-06 06:23 PM |
#2 |
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But those are the leaders. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 06:48 PM |
#10 |
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wasn't the issue more of hypocrisy than being gay? |
nini |
Nov-09-06 06:24 PM |
#3 |
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You are absolutely right. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 06:47 PM |
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Well, look at this |
skiddlybop |
Nov-09-06 06:52 PM |
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Fascinating. Thanks for posting this! |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 06:55 PM |
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That is very interesting. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 07:00 PM |
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good article.. |
nini |
Nov-09-06 08:40 PM |
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I don't think so. |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-09-06 06:26 PM |
#4 |
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I am sorry for the way they have treated you at work. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 06:55 PM |
#14 |
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From everything I have heard |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-09-06 07:13 PM |
#20 |
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Oh yeah?!?!?!?! |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 07:27 PM |
#24 |
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Well, one can hope. |
terrya |
Nov-09-06 06:26 PM |
#5 |
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I often wonder if that is us or infiltrators. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 07:14 PM |
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It's the word "marriage" that bothers them |
HockeyMom |
Nov-09-06 06:27 PM |
#6 |
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Exactly. You're not going to see traditional Catholic or other |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 06:49 PM |
#11 |
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There are probably as many, if not more, gay couples |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-09-06 09:58 PM |
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I like your thoughts, HockeyMom. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 07:03 PM |
#16 |
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unification contract |
sandnsea |
Nov-09-06 09:35 PM |
#44 |
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Damn straight. |
klook |
Nov-10-06 08:10 AM |
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If it's the word "marriage" that bothers them, why are they passing amendments that include banning |
readmoreoften |
Nov-10-06 05:33 PM |
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Thank you for writing this. I just think to myself, you know, |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 06:41 PM |
#7 |
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I get it but I wish everyone else did. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 07:30 PM |
#25 |
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The issue will take care of itself as old people die off |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-09-06 07:06 PM |
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It's why I usually drive on the sidewalk when I see groups of older |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 07:14 PM |
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HAHAHAHAHA.............. ..huh hehehe. ... |
zyguh |
Nov-09-06 10:02 PM |
#48 |
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I'm happy I made you laugh. I, as well, have not felt this good in |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 10:18 PM |
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I so didnt mean to take away from this serious discussion |
zyguh |
Nov-09-06 10:48 PM |
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lol. It appeared out of place, but all of us are celebrating our victory, |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 11:01 PM |
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LOL |
Nicole |
Nov-09-06 11:01 PM |
#64 |
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... |
Harvey Korman |
Nov-10-06 02:28 AM |
#84 |
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Exactly, when right-wing boomers start dying it will become less of an issue. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-09-06 07:43 PM |
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I do not think gays should have to wait until all the old people die off. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 07:57 PM |
#31 |
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Yes! |
MuseRider |
Nov-09-06 07:08 PM |
#18 |
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I am glad to see others fighting the fight as well. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 08:14 PM |
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Exposure tends to eliminate irrational fears and prejudices. |
porphyrian |
Nov-09-06 07:08 PM |
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Fascinating thread (I'm only halfway through it). |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-09-06 07:20 PM |
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Sapphocrat...... |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 07:42 PM |
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... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 03:31 AM |
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This post deserves its own recommendation |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-10-06 04:00 AM |
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Thank you, BTFS! |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 05:20 AM |
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Sapphocrat...... |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 06:13 AM |
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No worries, and no pressure. |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 06:39 AM |
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Fabulous post! |
theHandpuppet |
Nov-10-06 06:14 AM |
#101 |
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Thank you, tHp... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 06:41 AM |
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A Must-Read Post! |
ThomCat |
Nov-10-06 07:38 AM |
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Sapphocrat..... |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 01:24 PM |
#160 |
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Nice job with this Sapph. There is no question your sword is your pen! |
cboy4 |
Nov-10-06 02:22 PM |
#174 |
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I can only speculate about this from the point |
seasonedblue |
Nov-09-06 07:34 PM |
#26 |
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Well sure |
SouthernBelle82 |
Nov-09-06 07:38 PM |
#27 |
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SouthernBelle..... |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 08:13 PM |
#34 |
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Step one: Our party needs to embrace all of its members and not |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-09-06 08:23 PM |
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I could not agree any more than I already do. |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 08:33 PM |
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No |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 09:01 PM |
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Unfortunately I see it as not choosing to but having to be in your face... |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-09-06 09:21 PM |
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I've been on th recieving end of a passive agressive Gay Man... |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 10:10 PM |
#49 |
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It's about Equal Rights... |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-09-06 10:18 PM |
#52 |
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I don't disagree with you. |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 10:59 PM |
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Then contact the cub scouts and tell them you don't support discrimination. |
Harvey Korman |
Nov-10-06 02:32 AM |
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I stopped my affiliation because my church waged a campaign |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-10-06 04:14 AM |
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MrsG... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 05:47 AM |
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Why should gay people support Middle America? |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 05:41 AM |
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Hey Sapph...? |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-10-06 02:33 PM |
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Personally, I wouldn't want my kids in a group that practiced exclusion |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 09:40 AM |
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Oh, so you judge whether a whole class deserves equal rights based on |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 10:30 PM |
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I'm playing devils advocate. |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 11:06 PM |
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Greblc, I'm concerned about you. In the post your structured, it |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 11:19 PM |
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If I could pass a Gay Marriage Amendment Today I would. |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 11:46 PM |
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No, that's not what you're doing |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:12 AM |
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Read all my posts in context not just one. |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 11:50 PM |
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I did -- and I still don't trust your motive in these posts |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:15 AM |
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I'm assuming you mean Boy Scouts. |
donco6 |
Nov-09-06 10:43 PM |
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His school? |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 11:09 PM |
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Um |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-10-06 12:58 AM |
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Here's why: because he's not the problem, the scouts' policy is. |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 08:51 AM |
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So, one principal doesn't let in the Boy Scouts and the civil rights of people |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 01:32 PM |
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Because your gay friends and neighbors |
sgcase |
Nov-10-06 03:09 PM |
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So you're saying, |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-06 10:57 PM |
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Let me answer for him: |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 11:03 PM |
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Not me, not everyone. |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 11:10 PM |
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Wrong |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:16 AM |
#103 |
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I disagree |
Nicole |
Nov-09-06 10:59 PM |
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I agree. |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 11:17 PM |
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Thank You! This is the insightful reply... |
greblc |
Nov-09-06 11:57 PM |
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So if a black man pisses you off |
Der Blaue Engel |
Nov-10-06 12:24 AM |
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I see where your going. |
greblc |
Nov-10-06 12:38 AM |
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If the principal were black |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-10-06 01:00 AM |
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By his "logic," yes |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:17 AM |
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! |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 01:36 PM |
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I understand the point you're trying to make |
Der Blaue Engel |
Nov-10-06 01:19 AM |
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It's not that simple. |
donco6 |
Nov-10-06 07:56 AM |
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You're absolutely correct. It's no different n/t |
cboy4 |
Nov-10-06 02:24 AM |
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So, your experience... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 04:20 AM |
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Breaking down his "logical post" like that REALLY exposes it for what it is |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:20 AM |
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Your post is AMAZING! |
ThomCat |
Nov-10-06 07:48 AM |
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Bravo. |
donco6 |
Nov-10-06 07:50 AM |
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Heteros have no reason to support gays? Are you NUTS? |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 08:34 AM |
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"Heteros have no reason to support gays? Are you NUTS?" |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 01:51 PM |
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"Again I support Gay Marriage." |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 01:26 PM |
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After two years and one day, I have to say, this is one of the most |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 01:43 PM |
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I think Rosa Parks' actions could have been ..... |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 09:47 PM |
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Can you cite examples and define what you see as the "in your |
cboy4 |
Nov-09-06 10:01 PM |
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Read post 49 # |
greblc |
Nov-10-06 12:20 AM |
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Gay people didn't turn scouting into a hate group. |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 05:35 AM |
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To the contrary. The principle is being fair to all the students. |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 09:27 AM |
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greblc...... |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 05:35 PM |
#184 |
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On religion... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 05:19 AM |
#90 |
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So, let me be clear . . . |
donco6 |
Nov-09-06 10:46 PM |
#56 |
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I think Marriage is the Fast Track. |
greblc |
Nov-10-06 12:25 AM |
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No, no, don! |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 05:23 AM |
#92 |
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The "in your face attitude"? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-06 10:52 PM |
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Relax I'm on your side |
greblc |
Nov-10-06 12:42 AM |
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No you're not -- friends/advocates don't write posts like yours |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:26 AM |
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Now, THIS... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 05:24 AM |
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Agreed! |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:26 AM |
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"Would you have told MLK Jr. to stop his "in your face" tactics?" |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:24 AM |
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Nov-10-06 06:31 AM |
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"90% naked, tongue kissing his GLBT lover" |
marmar |
Nov-10-06 08:14 AM |
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It's not OK when straights do it, either |
SwingVoter2006 |
Nov-10-06 09:06 AM |
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Damn, that's a great post! |
ThomCat |
Nov-10-06 09:40 AM |
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"Swingvoter" huh? |
donco6 |
Nov-10-06 08:46 AM |
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Nov-10-06 09:10 AM |
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Funny thing - you don't even aspire to be fair. |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 09:14 AM |
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Nov-10-06 09:18 AM |
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"Tight community?" |
donco6 |
Nov-10-06 09:20 AM |
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Nov-10-06 09:21 AM |
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You have some funny perceptions. I wonder if you'd shrug off inequality |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 09:24 AM |
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How do you know you've had more exposure than most? |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 01:49 PM |
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You're making shit up. I am gay and I don't know a single person who has |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 09:22 AM |
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If I hear "life's not fair" one more time . . . |
donco6 |
Nov-10-06 09:24 AM |
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Indeed. The point of law is to BE fair - not to compound life's inequities. |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 09:25 AM |
#149 |
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Who's hurting which cause again? |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 03:54 PM |
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Sapphocrat..... |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 07:02 PM |
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It had nothing to do with hetero sex practices, demgurl. |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 07:57 PM |
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Sapphocrat..... |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 08:05 PM |
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Thanks to you. |
donco6 |
Nov-10-06 09:17 AM |
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You wouldn't be the first to make that guess. |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 01:42 PM |
#164 |
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And yet MLK was arrested. So were others who fought for civil rights. |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 09:28 AM |
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Congrats! You were able to fill this post with almost every single |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 09:58 AM |
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Keyword, "almost" |
Jamastiene |
Nov-10-06 10:55 AM |
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You're a very embittered homosexual squirrel lover, Jamastiene |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 12:25 PM |
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Assless chaps!!! ASSLESS CHAPS!!! |
swimboy |
Nov-10-06 02:22 PM |
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Hey, you need to be quiet and just worry about your strap on. |
cboy4 |
Nov-10-06 02:21 PM |
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Excuse me, but you sound like someone from the 60's who argued |
cboy4 |
Nov-10-06 02:18 PM |
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OK, let's have that dialogue... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 03:09 PM |
#178 |
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There is no so-called "in your face" attitude of "gay activists" |
LostinVA |
Nov-10-06 06:10 AM |
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As in most things, extremism often poisons the well water |
SwingVoter2006 |
Nov-10-06 06:25 AM |
#107 |
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WTF? |
donco6 |
Nov-10-06 08:03 AM |
#119 |
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I'm talking about winning broader support |
SwingVoter2006 |
Nov-10-06 08:59 AM |
#132 |
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This is just a typical RW red herring. |
donco6 |
Nov-10-06 09:13 AM |
#136 |
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I'll make you a deal - I'll control the behavior of that minority of gays right |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 09:16 AM |
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See post #141 |
SwingVoter2006 |
Nov-10-06 09:20 AM |
#143 |
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Um okay |
thecorrection |
Nov-10-06 08:52 AM |
#131 |
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Nov-10-06 09:15 AM |
#138 |
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So, is it you who gets to define "normality?" |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 01:54 PM |
#169 |
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But we ARE fucking normal, Blanche! We ARE FUCKING NORMAL!!! |
swimboy |
Nov-10-06 02:28 PM |
#175 |
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O.M.G. |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-10-06 02:35 PM |
#177 |
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You get back exactly what you put out. |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-10-06 05:23 PM |
#182 |
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Education is Key |
thecorrection |
Nov-09-06 09:17 PM |
#40 |
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I really respect your perspective.... |
demgurl |
Nov-09-06 09:33 PM |
#43 |
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I'm glad this discussion is taking place |
thecorrection |
Nov-10-06 06:44 AM |
#113 |
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That is sad. |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 07:19 PM |
#186 |
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Yes, of course we do... |
Withywindle |
Nov-09-06 09:28 PM |
#42 |
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Surprisingly, AZ voted down the 'gay marriage' proposition |
tyedyeto |
Nov-09-06 10:49 PM |
#58 |
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Attitudes towards gays have changed over time |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-06 11:02 PM |
#65 |
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BTFS.... |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 07:23 PM |
#187 |
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One would think that after so many of "darlings of the RW and Christian right |
wholetruth00 |
Nov-10-06 05:36 AM |
#95 |
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Shame on you, wholetruthOO..... |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 07:27 PM |
#188 |
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I think the attitude change will ultimately take care of itself |
theboss |
Nov-10-06 07:57 AM |
#118 |
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the under 40 crowd - yes |
FLDem5 |
Nov-10-06 08:11 AM |
#121 |
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Of course, this is a civil rights movement.... |
Virginia Dare |
Nov-10-06 08:28 AM |
#123 |
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Of Course..... |
new_beawr |
Nov-10-06 08:42 AM |
#127 |
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give up a wedge issue? |
Alpharetta |
Nov-10-06 08:49 AM |
#129 |
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Straight WASPS will be the minority very soon. |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 07:35 PM |
#189 |
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As the old saying goes ... |
Akoto |
Nov-10-06 09:11 AM |
#135 |
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Get rid of all of the Jesusians... |
StraightDope |
Nov-10-06 10:17 AM |
#155 |
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StraightDope...... |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 07:48 PM |
#190 |
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Here's my thoughts about what might happen |
Armstead |
Nov-10-06 10:24 AM |
#156 |
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What I hope would come of this is that people would just give up on the lie |
mondo joe |
Nov-10-06 10:53 AM |
#157 |
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homophobia sickens me |
mattfromnossa |
Nov-10-06 01:54 PM |
#168 |
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When I was in high school, I had no idea what a gay was. |
hedgehog |
Nov-10-06 02:00 PM |
#170 |
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I like to think so to, but there are days on DU that just sicken me to no end. |
Kerrytravelers |
Nov-10-06 05:07 PM |
#181 |
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hedgehog, I hope you are right. |
demgurl |
Nov-10-06 07:56 PM |
#192 |
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Straight teachers, instructors, educators, this is what we can do: |
Sabriel |
Nov-10-06 07:50 PM |
#191 |
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